Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 Dear all, I face questions from some of the friends whether Srivaishnavism is a regional religion, why there is a lot of importance for Tamil etc.. I need to make a few points clear on this. It is not one language vs other. Any religion has to originate in some medium of communication or the other, and it so happened for SVm that it originated in Tamil aruLichheyals. It is always message, not the language which is important, whehter sanskrit/Tamil or any other language. The divya prabandham is considered to be the quintessence of all simple concepts of sanskrit texts, yet an independent scriptural authority. So anything we interpret from the sanskrit Vedanta should be thru the prism of the srisooktis of azhwars, this is what poorvacharyas like Desika have recommended. Then what about those who do not speak Tamil? They should also be taught these meanings and it is for them to accept or not. That is why we have stotra ranta, dravidOpansihat tAtparya ratnAvaLI, dayA Satakam etc.. But sanskrit is also nobody's mother tongue. When someone makes efforts to learn sanskrit, those efforts can be very well made to learn Tamil too! Ultimately these concepts need to be somehow communicated, Kannada or Hindi or our unanimous choice "English"! adiyen ramanuja dasan Vishnu Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 asmad guruByO nama: srimathe rAmAnujAya nama: The subject - uBaya vEdAntA itself tells very clearly there are two types of vEdAntA and there is nothing wrong in maintaining it so. Definitely the sanskrit vEdA is different from the drAvida vEdA. Neither is any way inferior to other, but, what is more apt for the bigger mass, matters a lot. Here are few things that I am listing down that comes to my mind regarding the differences (that need to be understood and appreciated in the right way, rather than using these to claim differences and discriminate against each other). I will use vEdA for sanskrit vEdA and divya praBandam for drAvida vEdA for ease of understanding. WHAT: 1. vEdAs(upanishads, samhitas, kAndAs etc) were realised by various rishis through heavy penance and rituals(Oon vAda uNNAdu uyirkkAvalittu, pori aindhum nondhu thAn vAda vAda tavam seidhu). Divya praBandam was just a down pour of the experiences of AzwArs of the supreme who himself sang these hymns under their guise. None of the AzwArs did heavy penance or rituals to realise or acquire this knowledge (vanjakkaLvan mAmAyan mAyakkaviyAi vandhu en nenjum uyirum uLkalandhu ninnAr ariyA vaNNam en nenjum uyirum avai uNdu thAnE Agi niRaindAnE) WHO: 2. vEdAs are to be recited by male gender belonging to brahmaNA, kshatriyA and vaishyA and only brahmaNAs are eligible to teach. Women and other caste people are not supposed to recite / teach the same. Divya praBandam on the other hand has no such restrictions. These could be recited by " anyone " (kAkkai vAyilum katturai koLvar) WHEN: 3. vEdAs cannot be recited at any time, just like that. There are various timings for various portions of vEdAs to be recited. One may not recite vEdAs at akAlam(untime). Divya praBandam may be recited at any time(irAppagal Oduvittu) HOW: 4. vEdAs should be recited with pure mind, body and vEdAs has swarAs. If these swarAs are recited wrong, it gives a completely different result. Divya praBandams have no such restrictions. These may be sung in any way the reciting person. (enganE sollinum inbam payakkumE). Ofcourse, while reciting in temples, there are some standards that one may not attempt to violate. WHERE: 5. vEdAs may not be recited anywhere. There are places where we may recite vEdAs. Divya praBandams has no such restrictions at all. One may recite praBandams at any place he/she may be in. WHY: 6. vEdAs yield a variety of results right from bhagavad anubhavam to bhAgavada anubhavam to other materialistic results. Divya praBandams yield only one result - they can only show us the lotus feet of the AchAryan and the lord and nothing else.(nAgaNai misai nambirAn saraNE saraN, vittuvakkOttamma nee vEndayE ayidinum un patrallAl patrilEn) Thus, the above differences show that divya praBandam is more apt for this kaliyuga whose yuga-dharma is designed to deteriorate the ability of us to be pious by body and mind due to which we mostly become ineligible to recite the vEdAs. Since divya praBandams are in Tamil, translating these to other languages will, though, be of help, also decrease the purity and greatness of the downpour of AzhwArs, due to the deficiencies in other languages. So, adiyEn humbly request all Sri Vaishnavites to somehow learn Tamil (atleast one pasuram from tiruppAvai) in your life and enjoy the sweet divya praBandam that makes the lord also happy all the time. adiyEn, rAmAnuja dAsan ramanuja , Srimahavishnu Vinjamuri <vsmvishnu wrote: > > Dear all, > > I face questions from some of the friends whether Srivaishnavism is a regional religion, why there is a lot of importance for Tamil etc.. I need to make a few points clear on this. > > It is not one language vs other. Any religion has to originate in some medium of communication or the other, and it so happened for SVm that it originated in Tamil aruLichheyals. It is always message, not the language which is important, whehter sanskrit/Tamil or any other language. > > The divya prabandham is considered to be the quintessence of all simple concepts of sanskrit texts, yet an independent scriptural authority. So anything we interpret from the sanskrit Vedanta should be thru the prism of the srisooktis of azhwars, this is what poorvacharyas like Desika have recommended. > > Then what about those who do not speak Tamil? They should also be taught these meanings and it is for them to accept or not. That is why we have stotra ranta, dravidOpansihat tAtparya ratnAvaLI, dayA Satakam etc.. > > But sanskrit is also nobody's mother tongue. When someone makes efforts to learn sanskrit, those efforts can be very well made to learn Tamil too! Ultimately these concepts need to be somehow communicated, Kannada or Hindi or our unanimous choice " English " ! > > adiyen ramanuja dasan > Vishnu > > > > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. > Answers - Check it out. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 ramanuja , " v.lakshminrusimhan " <v.lakshminrusimhan wrote: > Dear Sri Lakshminrusimhan, Going thru the original is the best one can do I agree. But stotra ranta and dravidOpanishat tAtparya ratnAvaLI also convey the same message blemishlessly:) If we make our own translations, that may not be effective. The questions I am facing are, whether sanskrit Vedanta itself is not enough for SVm, when Ramanuja did Sribhashya, Gita Bhashya etc., why go for other Acharyas' works in sanskrit/tamil/maNipravALa which have more thrust on DP, etc.. adiyen Vishnu > > Since divya praBandams are in Tamil, translating these to other > languages will, though, be of help, also decrease the purity and > greatness of the downpour of AzhwArs, due to the deficiencies in other > languages. So, adiyEn humbly request all Sri Vaishnavites to somehow > learn Tamil (atleast one pasuram from tiruppAvai) in your life and > enjoy the sweet divya praBandam that makes the lord also happy all the > time. > > adiyEn, > rAmAnuja dAsan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 Very very well said. ::::::::::::::::; V.S.V. Raghavan.Srimahavishnu Vinjamuri <vsmvishnu wrote: Dear all, I face questions from some of the friends whether Srivaishnavism is a regional religion, why there is a lot of importance for Tamil etc.. I need to make a few points clear on this. It is not one language vs other. Any religion has to originate in some medium of communication or the other, and it so happened for SVm that it originated in Tamil aruLichheyals. It is always message, not the language which is important, whehter sanskrit/Tamil or any other language. The divya prabandham is considered to be the quintessence of all simple concepts of sanskrit texts, yet an independent scriptural authority. So anything we interpret from the sanskrit Vedanta should be thru the prism of the srisooktis of azhwars, this is what poorvacharyas like Desika have recommended. Then what about those who do not speak Tamil? They should also be taught these meanings and it is for them to accept or not. That is why we have stotra ranta, dravidOpansihat tAtparya ratnAvaLI, dayA Satakam etc.. But sanskrit is also nobody's mother tongue. When someone makes efforts to learn sanskrit, those efforts can be very well made to learn Tamil too! Ultimately these concepts need to be somehow communicated, Kannada or Hindi or our unanimous choice "English"! adiyen ramanuja dasan Vishnu Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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