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Dear all, I face questions from some of the friends whether Srivaishnavism is a regional religion, why there is a lot of importance for Tamil etc.. I need to make a few points clear on this. It is not one language vs other. Any religion has to originate in some medium of communication or the other, and it so happened for SVm that it originated in Tamil aruLichheyals. It is always message, not the language which is important, whehter sanskrit/Tamil or any other language. The divya prabandham is considered to be the quintessence of all simple concepts of sanskrit texts, yet an independent scriptural authority. So anything we interpret from the sanskrit Vedanta should be thru the prism of the srisooktis of azhwars, this is what poorvacharyas like Desika have recommended. Then what about those who do not speak Tamil? They should also be

taught these meanings and it is for them to accept or not. That is why we have stotra ranta, dravidOpansihat tAtparya ratnAvaLI, dayA Satakam etc.. But sanskrit is also nobody's mother tongue. When someone makes efforts to learn sanskrit, those efforts can be very well made to learn Tamil too! Ultimately these concepts need to be somehow communicated, Kannada or Hindi or our unanimous choice "English"! adiyen ramanuja dasan Vishnu

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asmad guruByO nama:

srimathe rAmAnujAya nama:

 

The subject - uBaya vEdAntA itself tells very clearly there are two

types of vEdAntA :) and there is nothing wrong in maintaining it so.

Definitely the sanskrit vEdA is different from the drAvida vEdA.

Neither is any way inferior to other, but, what is more apt for the

bigger mass, matters a lot.

 

Here are few things that I am listing down that comes to my mind

regarding the differences (that need to be understood and appreciated

in the right way, rather than using these to claim differences and

discriminate against each other).

 

I will use vEdA for sanskrit vEdA and divya praBandam for drAvida vEdA

for ease of understanding.

WHAT:

1. vEdAs(upanishads, samhitas, kAndAs etc) were realised by various

rishis through heavy penance and rituals(Oon vAda uNNAdu

uyirkkAvalittu, pori aindhum nondhu thAn vAda vAda tavam seidhu).

Divya praBandam was just a down pour of the experiences of AzwArs of

the supreme who himself sang these hymns under their guise. None of

the AzwArs did heavy penance or rituals to realise or acquire this

knowledge (vanjakkaLvan mAmAyan mAyakkaviyAi vandhu en nenjum uyirum

uLkalandhu ninnAr ariyA vaNNam en nenjum uyirum avai uNdu thAnE Agi

niRaindAnE)

WHO:

2. vEdAs are to be recited by male gender belonging to brahmaNA,

kshatriyA and vaishyA and only brahmaNAs are eligible to teach. Women

and other caste people are not supposed to recite / teach the same.

Divya praBandam on the other hand has no such restrictions. These

could be recited by " anyone " (kAkkai vAyilum katturai koLvar)

WHEN:

3. vEdAs cannot be recited at any time, just like that. There are

various timings for various portions of vEdAs to be recited. One may

not recite vEdAs at akAlam(untime). Divya praBandam may be recited at

any time(irAppagal Oduvittu)

HOW:

4. vEdAs should be recited with pure mind, body and vEdAs has swarAs.

If these swarAs are recited wrong, it gives a completely different

result. Divya praBandams have no such restrictions. These may be sung

in any way the reciting person. (enganE sollinum inbam payakkumE).

Ofcourse, while reciting in temples, there are some standards that one

may not attempt to violate.

WHERE:

5. vEdAs may not be recited anywhere. There are places where we may

recite vEdAs. Divya praBandams has no such restrictions at all. One

may recite praBandams at any place he/she may be in.

WHY:

6. vEdAs yield a variety of results right from bhagavad anubhavam to

bhAgavada anubhavam to other materialistic results. Divya praBandams

yield only one result - they can only show us the lotus feet of the

AchAryan and the lord and nothing else.(nAgaNai misai nambirAn saraNE

saraN, vittuvakkOttamma nee vEndayE ayidinum un patrallAl patrilEn)

 

Thus, the above differences show that divya praBandam is more apt for

this kaliyuga whose yuga-dharma is designed to deteriorate the ability

of us to be pious by body and mind due to which we mostly become

ineligible to recite the vEdAs.

 

Since divya praBandams are in Tamil, translating these to other

languages will, though, be of help, also decrease the purity and

greatness of the downpour of AzhwArs, due to the deficiencies in other

languages. So, adiyEn humbly request all Sri Vaishnavites to somehow

learn Tamil (atleast one pasuram from tiruppAvai) in your life and

enjoy the sweet divya praBandam that makes the lord also happy all the

time.

 

adiyEn,

rAmAnuja dAsan

 

ramanuja , Srimahavishnu Vinjamuri

<vsmvishnu wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> I face questions from some of the friends whether Srivaishnavism

is a regional religion, why there is a lot of importance for Tamil

etc.. I need to make a few points clear on this.

>

> It is not one language vs other. Any religion has to originate in

some medium of communication or the other, and it so happened for SVm

that it originated in Tamil aruLichheyals. It is always message, not

the language which is important, whehter sanskrit/Tamil or any other

language.

>

> The divya prabandham is considered to be the quintessence of all

simple concepts of sanskrit texts, yet an independent scriptural

authority. So anything we interpret from the sanskrit Vedanta should

be thru the prism of the srisooktis of azhwars, this is what

poorvacharyas like Desika have recommended.

>

> Then what about those who do not speak Tamil? They should also be

taught these meanings and it is for them to accept or not. That is why

we have stotra ranta, dravidOpansihat tAtparya ratnAvaLI, dayA Satakam

etc..

>

> But sanskrit is also nobody's mother tongue. When someone makes

efforts to learn sanskrit, those efforts can be very well made to

learn Tamil too! Ultimately these concepts need to be somehow

communicated, Kannada or Hindi or our unanimous choice " English " !

>

> adiyen ramanuja dasan

> Vishnu

>

>

>

> Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone

who knows.

> Answers - Check it out.

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ramanuja , " v.lakshminrusimhan "

<v.lakshminrusimhan wrote:

>

Dear Sri Lakshminrusimhan,

 

Going thru the original is the best one can do I agree. But stotra

ranta and dravidOpanishat tAtparya ratnAvaLI also convey the same

message blemishlessly:) If we make our own translations, that may not

be effective.

 

The questions I am facing are, whether sanskrit Vedanta itself is not

enough for SVm, when Ramanuja did Sribhashya, Gita Bhashya etc., why

go for other Acharyas' works in sanskrit/tamil/maNipravALa which have

more thrust on DP, etc..

 

adiyen

Vishnu

 

>

> Since divya praBandams are in Tamil, translating these to other

> languages will, though, be of help, also decrease the purity and

> greatness of the downpour of AzhwArs, due to the deficiencies in

other

> languages. So, adiyEn humbly request all Sri Vaishnavites to somehow

> learn Tamil (atleast one pasuram from tiruppAvai) in your life and

> enjoy the sweet divya praBandam that makes the lord also happy all

the

> time.

>

> adiyEn,

> rAmAnuja dAsan

>

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Very very well said. ::::::::::::::::; V.S.V. Raghavan.Srimahavishnu Vinjamuri <vsmvishnu wrote: Dear all, I face questions from some of the friends whether Srivaishnavism is a regional religion, why there is a lot of importance for Tamil etc.. I need to make a few points clear on this. It is not one

language vs other. Any religion has to originate in some medium of communication or the other, and it so happened for SVm that it originated in Tamil aruLichheyals. It is always message, not the language which is important, whehter sanskrit/Tamil or any other language. The divya prabandham is considered to be the quintessence of all simple concepts of sanskrit texts, yet an independent scriptural authority. So anything we interpret from the sanskrit Vedanta should be thru the prism of the srisooktis of azhwars, this is what poorvacharyas like Desika have recommended. Then what about those who do not speak Tamil? They should also be taught these meanings and it is for them to accept or not. That is why we have stotra ranta, dravidOpansihat tAtparya ratnAvaLI, dayA Satakam etc.. But sanskrit is also nobody's mother tongue. When someone makes efforts to learn sanskrit, those

efforts can be very well made to learn Tamil too! Ultimately these concepts need to be somehow communicated, Kannada or Hindi or our unanimous choice "English"! adiyen ramanuja dasan Vishnu Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out.

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