Guest guest Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 And if it helps - this is to Shri Prabhu Mere reading of vedas do not bestow one with any special qualities. To quote history: (1) Ravana was a master of all the vedas but look at what he ended up doing; (2) Both Pandavas and Kauravas were experts in dharma shastras - but Kauravas turned out to be nothing but adharmavaans. (3) Again Shukracharya though a learned brahmin acharya ended up being acharya to Rakshasas. (4) Guru Dhronacharya being a Brahmin (despite commanding respect for his warrior qualities) was ridiculed for taking up arms despite being a Brahmin (5) Parashurama being born a brahmin took up to arms - despite being a Vishnu avatar he does not have any special temple for his worship As regards to your question who is a Brahmin/Non Brahmin - the term Brahmin is at once both a 'Verb' and a 'Noun' - in the noun format it refers to the Varnam and hence attained by virtue of birth - the Hindu religion places only some importance to this - In the Verb format it refers to anyone (including non brahmins) who have either the knowledge of brahmam or is in the process of acquiring the knowledge The Azhwar tradition is perhaps the best example to this - I am sure you'd know that Nammazhwar/Thirpanazhwar/Thirumangaimanna/Kulasekaran were all non brahmin by birth - they didn't sit around demanding that they be priests or they learn vedas to prove their supremacy - they simply went about their life practising bhakti yogam and through their sheer bhakti attained Sriman Narayana So, if you think you have unadulterated bhakti towards Sriman narayana, your anushtanam alone would lead you on your path to the lord per your Karma - you don't have to be a 'priest' The posting regarding 'who'll marry priests' was specifically aimed towards the current brahmin (per varnam) population - Vedas are the greatest wealth that has been passed on to us - but sadly many in the community do not realise that - they have their own compulsions (aka social pressures - thanx to successive governements in TN since independence) And as regards those brahmins you know who do not follow anushtanams but yet read vedas - PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SAY SO RIGHT AT THEIR FACE- TELL THEM THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM AND RAVANA OR KAURAVAS - AM SURE MANY OF US INCLUDING MYSELF BELONG TO THAT GROUP - ATLEAST A PUNYATHMA LIKE YOU WILL BE ABLE TO INCULCATE SOME DISCIPLINE IN US very best Ramji--- On Thu, 10/2/08, ramanuja <ramanuja > wrote: ramanuja <ramanuja >[sri ramanuja] Digest Number 2188ramanuja Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 3:35 PM Ramanuja Sampradayam Messages In This Digest (4 Messages) 1a. 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Fwd: [sri ramanuja] Re: Fw: Fwd: Who will marry our pr Posted by: "Prabhu 26" prabhu.37 prabhu_37 Wed Oct 1, 2008 5:13 am (PDT) The Article is really good, can anyone in the group tell me where theyteach Vedas for non brahmin, shiva iyer has mentioned that jewishbusinessman was so happy since his son willing to become rabbis,inchristian and muslim religion there is no obstacle stating only fewpeople can read the holy books, but in hindu religion, except brahminno one is able to read vedas, i know many people who are followingacharyam and anustanam but they are not able to read vedas becausethey are non brahmin, i also see a lot of people not followingacharyam and aunstanam and they are able to read vedas because theyare brahmin, tell me who is brahmin and who is non-brahmin, u cannotseperate people by birth, is anyone in the group can reply to thisarticle why there is a seperation, first try to clear the stupidsentiments what we are following, if vedas are teached to everyone, iam sure that there will be a lot of people will be interested tobecome priest, including me, so stop talking about other religion, letus clean ourselves, i expect shiva iyer and lakshminrusimhan to givereply to the question.---------- Forwarded message ----------v.lakshminrusimhan <v.lakshminrusimhan@ .co. in>Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 1:02 PM[sri ramanuja] Re: Fw: Fwd: Who will marry our priests ?ramanuja@ s.comsrimathE rAmAnujAya nama:srimathE varavaramunayE nama:sri aNNan tiruvadigaLE sharaNamAn interesting topic indeed. One of the major root cause isthe 'Astika nAstikAs'. mAmunigaL says in one of the pAsurams thatone should treat 'Astika nAstikAs' no worse than a nAstika i.e bothbeing thoroughly stupid, notorious and dangerous.These 'Astika nAstikAs' adorn 12 TirumaNs during important functionsand come in grand dothis to appear as great scholars. But, they aretotally hopeless and zero in AchAra anushtAnams. They don't followshAstrAs, nor know any penny worth in the vEdAs / vedAntAs,praBandAs or pUrvAchArya granthas. No faith / mahavishwAsam towardseither the supreme or their AchAryAs. These people see only pride inclaiming that they are born as brahmins. They don't even indulge inany kainkaryams. They do only parihArams under the pretext ofdharmam for their own developments. They eat onion / garlic /drumstick and all types of food that are not bhagavad / bhAgavadaprasadam. Some even don't perform shrArdhams. They don't have theguts to have a shikai even after their retirement. They are so proudof their gray hair indeed appearing in style. They do all theseunder the name of alignment with the modern trend / world. What theydon't understand or realise is that this so called educationalsystem, law and order, judicial system, parliament system, economyevery thing was implanted by westerners in order to destroy the richknowledge that our lineage possesses. They fall as a prey to thewestern culture, science and knowledge which is grossly immature,inadequate, insufficient, and incorrigible. Worst of this is theinclination towards the intolerable cinemas and the Televisionnonsenses.And the worst news is, unfortunately, such 'Astika nAstikAs' aremore than 95% in the society. Such people, grow their children thesame way. They grow their daughters adorning them with sleevelessshirts and tight jeans and pamper them will all obscurities underthe name of luxuries / trend. Girls come to temples in salvars andboys come in pants. It is absolutely a shame, but who cares.As vEdAs say, vEdAs fear when it falls in the hands of those whodon't know how to use them. The result is that the vEdic knowledgewhich is the supreme most from all perspectives, has starteddisappearing. Unless a conscious effort is made by every person whoclaims to be a sincere believer of vEdAs, nothing can be done.Everyone has a notion that the world is like this - without moneynothing could be done. 'Try being a sincere follower of vEdictradition, you won't have money for the food for the day' is whateveryone sarcastically say. While I laugh at such accusations, Ihave an interesting point to make. Think about 'every organism' inthe world other than human beings. Who is feeding them? Do they earnmoney and save? Don't they eat, give birth to their kids, grow themtill an adult, and then die? How is that possible in all theterrestrial, aquatic and arial beings other than the human? Whichmeans, the supreme lord has provided everything for us to live. Wedon't have to make ourselves go through the nonsense of modern trendto live our basic life. More than the non believers, it is we whoclaim ourselves to be believers(?) , who, under the name oflivelihood, are consciously corrupting the vedic society andcreating an irrepairable damage to the vedic knowledge and thus tothe entire society/world/ universe itself.May be it is time to think and get into action instead of expectingsome magic or some incarnation of the lord to come and clean. It isa shame to expect the lord to come and do the cleanup while He hasgiven all the ability for us to do it ourselves.mudalvanai chindiyAda appAvakArigaLai padaittavan enganampadaittAnkolO?adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan lakshmi narasimhan, "Dr.V.Sadagopan" <yennappan@. ..>wrote:>> SrI:>> Dear Sriman VenkatakrishNan & Sriman Siva Iyer :>> Thanks very much for posting this important article .> It provides focus on an important area . Sri Ahobila Matam> and Sri Andavan Aasramam are training these future scholars> with not only sampradhAyic knowledge but also modern skills> ( Computer skills) that could increase their employabilty> in the main stream as well , while rooted in their> Vedic Training . I am sure that other AchAryAs are giving> serious thoughts to this difficult situation . Our young girls> want to run as far as possible from qualified Vaidhika> bachelors with tufts (Sikhai) and who can not take them to> the movies & restaurants .>> I know one Bruhaspathy , who has fully trained his son> in performing all the Vaidhika Kaaryams , while sending> him to school to earn a Technical degree from an IIT .> His other son is staying in a classical Veda PaatasAla .>> These are real problems needing real and creative solutions .>> V.Sadagopan> -> venkata krishnan>>>> B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN .> website www.vedascience. com>> --- On Mon, 9/29/08, V.M.Ramkumar <vmrk.74 > wrote:>> Monday, September 29, 2008, 2:17 PM>>> Thought provoking fact in our life........ ......>>>>> Who will marry our priests ?>> The other day, I had been to a VEDA_PAATHASHAALAin Kerala, where they impart VEDIC education in the four Vedas, espthe YAJURVEDA, with the prime objective of creating highly trainedpriests and trained VEDIC chanters for conduct of various Hindufunctions and rituals.>>> As a NRI, and also a trained YAJURVEDI myself, Ifind lots of peace and solace whenever I'm able to give back tosuch great institutions providing the priests of our great religionwho are important cogs of our faith, without whom we would all belost.>>> I was impressed at the number of young mentraining enthusiastically in the Vedas and the chief old priestwelcomed my modest donation. And then he added with a wry smile.>>> NRI Hindus like you and other well to do Hindus inIndia come here and give us lots of money and resources for ourVedic school and we are no doubt indebted to them. BUT NOBODY GIVESUS GIRLS IN MARRIAGE FOR ALL THIS ELIGIBLE YOUNG MEN HERE, EVEN THEHIGHEST QUALIFIED PRIESTS..WHY? ? AREN"T THESE YOUNG MEN NOT GOODAS ANY DOCTOR OR LAWYER OUT THERE BY VIRTUE OF EXCELLING IN THEVEDAS, THE ENGINE OF OUR HINDU CULTURE. WHY DOES OUR SOCIETY GIVETHESE YOUNG MEN SECONDARY STATUS AND LOOK DOWN UPON THEIRPROFESSION?? , the old priest asked and set me thinking.>>> YES: THE OLD PRIEST WAS VERY RIGHT. WE DO NOTWANT OUR SISTERS/DAUGHTERS TO GET MARRIED TO ANY PRIEST EVEN IF THEPRIEST IS WELL QUALIFIED IN THE VEDAS AND EVEN HAS GOOD INCOME.> EVEN YOUNG HINDU GIRLS, MESMERIZED BY WESTERNVALUES AND FASHION DO NOT WANT TO MARRY PRIESTS... WHY???>>> And immediately my thoughts went to theircounterparts in other religions> and what I see is this:>>> THE MULLAH, THE RABBI, THE FATHER, HAVE GOT MUCHMUCH BETTER STATUS IN THEIR SOCIETIES AND CIRCLES THAN OUR HINDUPRIESTS. MANY OF THE MUSLIMS FEEL THAT IT IS THE HIGHEST HONOR IFTHEIR DAUGHTERS/SISTERS COULD GET NIKAAH WITH A MAULVI WELL VERSEDIN THE KORAN.>>> And here I mention my encounter with amultimillionaire Jewish business from Australia (where I live)proudly sending his two sons to Israel to get trained in a JewishSeminary where they could choose to become highly qualified rabbis,should they deem so. I then asked this businessman as to whetherhe would have any objections if his sons became Rabbis instead ofjoining him in his business or taking up other-so-called- made-itoccupations. For this the businessman replied without hesitation:I WILL BE THE MOST FORTUNATE FATHER IF MY SONS BECOME QUALIFIEDRABBIS.">>> And then I wondered: HOW MANY RICH HINDUSWILLINGLY SEND THEIR SONS TO VEDA PAATHASHAALAS WITH THE SOLEINTENTION OF MAKING THEM PRIESTS???> THE ANSWER: ZILCH... AND THIS IS A MATTER OFGREAT SHAME FOR ALL HINDUS.>>> AND WE TALK OF SURVIVAL OF HINDUISM IN BHARAT WHENWE DO NOT GIVE A DAMN FOR EVEN OUR GENUINELY WELL QUALIFIEDPRIESTS????>>> MASTERING THE VEDAS IS AS PROFOUND AND EVEN HIGHERTHAN BECOMING A DOCTOR OR A LAWYER OR A SCIENTIST...>>> THERE IS AN IRONIC SIGN IN Udupi AND IT READS:>>> HERE PRIESTS AND COOKS CAN NEVER GET MARRIED!!!>>> SHIVA IYER, om.sriguru (AT) gmail (DOT) com> 260908> Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (5) 1b. Re: Fwd: [sri ramanuja] Re: Fw: Fwd: Who will marry ou Posted by: "Lakshmi Narasimhan Venkatapathy" v.lakshminrusimhan v.lakshminrusimhan Wed Oct 1, 2008 6:29 am (PDT) Respected Prabhu, First, you have concluded the varnashrama dharmam to be stupid sentiments which is not acceptable. To begin with, it is only because brahmins have not protected the vEdAs and that vEdAs were abused by everyone that today's state prevails. For anything and everything there needs to be protectors. Can you go and access something confidential from the parliament or a research lab of the government or the defence ministry details? One needs to identify the path towards accessing these. Many might get disqualified due to various reasons. For example, a person suffering from short-sight is not eligible to be in military. Isn't the short-sight a birth defect? Could you ask why the government rejects people because of their short sight which came by birth? Similarly, vEdAs deal with advanced science that deal with dEvatAs which are subtle entities. One needs to be a master of the thri-guNAs and must be an embodiment of sattva guNA in order to deal with thesedEvatAs. Anyone, through severe penance and austerity can attain absolute sattva guNA. This is what the rishis had done. After attaining such guNA they mastered the art of controlling these dEvatAs(vEdic knowledge). And they passed on their guNA composition to their next generations via genes. This is how the brahmaNAs clan has come so far and became the sole owners of the vEdAs. So, brAhmaNAs by birth possess an eligibility to access these powerful dEvatAs. But that does not mean they can control them. They have to follow all the staunch practices that were followed by their ancestors. Otherwise, they would be brahmaNAs just by birth and not by practice and hence will have no powers. So, simply reading vEdAs alone will not give you anything. Nor simply being born as a brAhmaNa will help. It comes out of extreme penance or by birth + proper practice. Non brahmins could take up the former path (VishwAmitrA is an example). brAhmaNas are of 8 types -janma, kruthi, gnyana, bhakti, siddhi and 3 more that is not on top of my mind. Being a brAhmaNa by birth is just a small step. The 7 further levels are the tougher part. So, accusing brahmins to have not shared vEdAs are of no use. If one is really interested in the absolute knowledge, one must put in the corresponding efforts. A deer can't keep asking how a lion cub is born for a lion and hence will become a lion in the future that controls the deer clan. All these are based on the efforts put in the previous births. Neither should brAhmaNAs be arrogant that they are born as brahmins nor should others envy that brAhmaNAs alone have access to the vEdic knowledge in totality. After-all, all that a brAhmaNA does with the vEdic knowledge is to wish and pray for the social welfare. When someone does it free for us, why should we question or interfere in their job? I have not tried to answer your question precisely as the answer should be found by yourself through your own means. I have just explained some of the misconceptions about brahmins and have given reasons for their ownership on the vEdic knowledge. adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan lakshmi narasimhan--- On Wed, 1/10/08, Prabhu 26 <prabhu.37 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:Prabhu 26 <prabhu.37 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Fwd: [sri ramanuja] Re: Fw: Fwd: Who will marry our priests ?sriguru (AT) gmail (DOT) com, v.lakshminrusimhan@ .co. in, ramanuja@ s..comWednesday, 1 October, 2008, 5:31 PMThe Article is really good, can anyone in the group tell me where theyteach Vedas for non brahmin, shiva iyer has mentioned that jewishbusinessman was so happy since his son willing to become rabbis,inchristian and muslim religion there is no obstacle stating only fewpeople can read the holy books, but in hindu religion, except brahminno one is able to read vedas, i know many people who are followingacharyam and anustanam but they are not able to read vedas becausethey are non brahmin, i also see a lot of people not followingacharyam and aunstanam and they are able to read vedas because theyare brahmin, tell me who is brahmin and who is non-brahmin, u cannotseperate people by birth, is anyone in the group can reply to thisarticle why there is a seperation, first try to clear the stupidsentiments what we are following, if vedas are teached to everyone, iam sure that there will be a lot of people will be interested tobecome priest, including me, so stop talking about other religion, letus clean ourselves, i expect shiva iyer and lakshminrusimhan to givereply to the question.---------- Forwarded message ----------v.lakshminrusimhan <v.lakshminrusimhan@ .co. in>Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 1:02 PM[sri ramanuja] Re: Fw: Fwd: Who will marry our priests ?ramanuja@ s.comsrimathE rAmAnujAya nama:srimathE varavaramunayE nama:sri aNNan tiruvadigaLE sharaNamAn interesting topic indeed. One of the major root cause isthe 'Astika nAstikAs'. mAmunigaL says in one of the pAsurams thatone should treat 'Astika nAstikAs' no worse than a nAstika i.e bothbeing thoroughly stupid, notorious and dangerous.These 'Astika nAstikAs' adorn 12 TirumaNs during important functionsand come in grand dothis to appear as great scholars. But, they aretotally hopeless and zero in AchAra anushtAnams. They don't followshAstrAs, nor know any penny worth in the vEdAs / vedAntAs,praBandAs or pUrvAchArya granthas. No faith / mahavishwAsam towardseither the supreme or their AchAryAs. These people see only pride inclaiming that they are born as brahmins. They don't even indulge inany kainkaryams. They do only parihArams under the pretext ofdharmam for their own developments. They eat onion / garlic /drumstick and all types of food that are not bhagavad / bhAgavadaprasadam. Some even don't perform shrArdhams. They don't have theguts to have a shikai even after their retirement. They are so proudof their gray hair indeed appearing in style. They do all theseunder the name of alignment with the modern trend / world. What theydon't understand or realise is that this so called educationalsystem, law and order, judicial system, parliament system, economyevery thing was implanted by westerners in order to destroy the richknowledge that our lineage possesses. They fall as a prey to thewestern culture, science and knowledge which is grossly immature,inadequate, insufficient, and incorrigible. Worst of this is theinclination towards the intolerable cinemas and the Televisionnonsenses.And the worst news is, unfortunately, such 'Astika nAstikAs' aremore than 95% in the society. Such people, grow their children thesame way. They grow their daughters adorning them with sleevelessshirts and tight jeans and pamper them will all obscurities underthe name of luxuries / trend. Girls come to temples in salvars andboys come in pants. It is absolutely a shame, but who cares.As vEdAs say, vEdAs fear when it falls in the hands of those whodon't know how to use them. The result is that the vEdic knowledgewhich is the supreme most from all perspectives, has starteddisappearing. Unless a conscious effort is made by every person whoclaims to be a sincere believer of vEdAs, nothing can be done.Everyone has a notion that the world is like this - without moneynothing could be done. 'Try being a sincere follower of vEdictradition, you won't have money for the food for the day' is whateveryone sarcastically say. While I laugh at such accusations, Ihave an interesting point to make. Think about 'every organism' inthe world other than human beings. Who is feeding them? Do they earnmoney and save? Don't they eat, give birth to their kids, grow themtill an adult, and then die? How is that possible in all theterrestrial, aquatic and arial beings other than the human? Whichmeans, the supreme lord has provided everything for us to live. Wedon't have to make ourselves go through the nonsense of modern trendto live our basic life. More than the non believers, it is we whoclaim ourselves to be believers(?) , who, under the name oflivelihood, are consciously corrupting the vedic society andcreating an irrepairable damage to the vedic knowledge and thus tothe entire society/world/ universe itself.May be it is time to think and get into action instead of expectingsome magic or some incarnation of the lord to come and clean. It isa shame to expect the lord to come and do the cleanup while He hasgiven all the ability for us to do it ourselves.mudalvanai chindiyAda appAvakArigaLai padaittavan enganampadaittAnkolO?adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan lakshmi narasimhan, "Dr.V.Sadagopan"<yennappan@. ..>wrote:>> SrI:>> Dear Sriman VenkatakrishNan & Sriman Siva Iyer :>> Thanks very much for posting this important article .> It provides focus on an important area . Sri Ahobila Matam> and Sri Andavan Aasramam are training these future scholars> with not only sampradhAyic knowledge but also modern skills> ( Computer skills) that could increase their employabilty> in the main stream as well , while rooted in their> Vedic Training . I am sure that other AchAryAs are giving> serious thoughts to this difficult situation . Our young girls> want to run as far as possible from qualified Vaidhika> bachelors with tufts (Sikhai) and who can not take them to> the movies & restaurants .>> I know one Bruhaspathy , who has fully trained his son> in performing all the Vaidhika Kaaryams , while sending> him to school to earn a Technical degree from an IIT .> His other son is staying in a classical Veda PaatasAla .>> These are real problems needing real and creative solutions .>> V.Sadagopan> -> venkata krishnan>>>> B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN .> website www.vedascience. com>> --- On Mon, 9/29/08, V.M.Ramkumar <vmrk.74 > wrote:>> Monday, September 29, 2008, 2:17 PM>>> Thought provoking fact in our life........ ......>>>>> Who will marry our priests ?>> The other day, I had been to a VEDA_PAATHASHAALAin Kerala, where they impart VEDIC education in the four Vedas, espthe YAJURVEDA, with the prime objective of creating highly trainedpriests and trained VEDIC chanters for conduct of various Hindufunctions and rituals.>>> As a NRI, and also a trained YAJURVEDI myself, Ifind lots of peace and solace whenever I'm able to give back tosuch great institutions providing the priests of our great religionwho are important cogs of our faith, without whom we would all belost.>>> I was impressed at the number of young mentraining enthusiastically in the Vedas and the chief old priestwelcomed my modest donation. And then he added with a wry smile.>>> NRI Hindus like you and other well to do Hindus inIndia come here and give us lots of money and resources for ourVedic school and we are no doubt indebted to them. BUT NOBODY GIVESUS GIRLS IN MARRIAGE FOR ALL THIS ELIGIBLE YOUNG MEN HERE, EVEN THEHIGHEST QUALIFIED PRIESTS..WHY? ? AREN"T THESE YOUNG MEN NOT GOODAS ANY DOCTOR OR LAWYER OUT THERE BY VIRTUE OF EXCELLING IN THEVEDAS, THE ENGINE OF OUR HINDU CULTURE. WHY DOES OUR SOCIETY GIVETHESE YOUNG MEN SECONDARY STATUS AND LOOK DOWN UPON THEIRPROFESSION?? , the old priest asked and set me thinking.>>> YES: THE OLD PRIEST WAS VERY RIGHT. WE DO NOTWANT OUR SISTERS/DAUGHTERS TO GET MARRIED TO ANY PRIEST EVEN IF THEPRIEST IS WELL QUALIFIED IN THE VEDAS AND EVEN HAS GOOD INCOME.> EVEN YOUNG HINDU GIRLS, MESMERIZED BY WESTERNVALUES AND FASHION DO NOT WANT TO MARRY PRIESTS... WHY???>>> And immediately my thoughts went to theircounterparts in other religions> and what I see is this:>>> THE MULLAH, THE RABBI, THE FATHER, HAVE GOT MUCHMUCH BETTER STATUS IN THEIR SOCIETIES AND CIRCLES THAN OUR HINDUPRIESTS. MANY OF THE MUSLIMS FEEL THAT IT IS THE HIGHEST HONOR IFTHEIR DAUGHTERS/SISTERS COULD GET NIKAAH WITH A MAULVI WELL VERSEDIN THE KORAN.>>> And here I mention my encounter with amultimillionaire Jewish business from Australia (where I live)proudly sending his two sons to Israel to get trained in a JewishSeminary where they could choose to become highly qualified rabbis,should they deem so. I then asked this businessman as to whetherhe would have any objections if his sons became Rabbis instead ofjoining him in his business or taking up other-so-called- made-itoccupations. For this the businessman replied without hesitation:I WILL BE THE MOST FORTUNATE FATHER IF MY SONS BECOME QUALIFIEDRABBIS.">>> And then I wondered: HOW MANY RICH HINDUSWILLINGLY SEND THEIR SONS TO VEDA PAATHASHAALAS WITH THE SOLEINTENTION OF MAKING THEM PRIESTS???> THE ANSWER: ZILCH... AND THIS IS A MATTER OFGREAT SHAME FOR ALL HINDUS.>>> AND WE TALK OF SURVIVAL OF HINDUISM IN BHARAT WHENWE DO NOT GIVE A DAMN FOR EVEN OUR GENUINELY WELL QUALIFIEDPRIESTS????>>> MASTERING THE VEDAS IS AS PROFOUND AND EVEN HIGHERTHAN BECOMING A DOCTOR OR A LAWYER OR A SCIENTIST...>>> THERE IS AN IRONIC SIGN IN Udupi AND IT READS:>>> HERE PRIESTS AND COOKS CAN NEVER GET MARRIED!!!>>> SHIVA IYER, om.sriguru (AT) gmail (DOT) com> 260908>Get your own website and domain for just Rs.1,999/year. * Go to http://in.business. / Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (5) 1c. Re: Fwd: [sri ramanuja] Re: Fw: Fwd: Who will marry ou Posted by: "Raghuram Madabushi" scifilvr scifilvr Wed Oct 1, 2008 6:37 pm (PDT) Sri:Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama:Dear all,Adiyen was listening to the below upanyasam this morning while reading this mail.Adiyen would encourage all to please listen to it as well, as Sri U Ve Velukkudi Swami has covered this topic (at least adiyen thought it was very relevant).Talk is from Azhwar Kanda Thiruvengadamudayan , NamAzhwar pasuram explanation[101 track name ~20-minutes into talk and 102 track name first half] referring to uttara/pin vakhyam of Dwayam as expounded by Azhwar...4th 10 Eeshan Vaanavar.Please pardon any mistakes of this neechan.adiyen Ramanuja dasan Akhila Bhuvana Janma Shtema bhangadilileVinata Vividha bhuta vrata raksaika dikse,Sruti sirasi Vidipte Brahmani SrinivaseBhavatu mama parasmin semusi bhaktirupa.May knowledge transformed into intense love directed toSrinivasa, the highest Brahmam, become mine;the Being to whom creation, preservation and dissolutionof the universe is mere play, whose main resolve is to offerprotection to all those who approach Him in all humilityand sincerity, and who shines out like a beacon lightout of the pages of the scripturesLakshmi Narasimhan Venkatapathy <v.lakshminrusimhan@ .co. in>sriguru (AT) gmail (DOT) com; ramanuja@ s.com; Prabhu 26 <prabhu.37 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Wednesday, October 1, 2008 9:04:06 AMRe: Fwd: [sri ramanuja] Re: Fw: Fwd: Who will marry our priests ?Respected Prabhu,First, you have concluded the varnashrama dharmam to be stupid sentiments which is not acceptable. To begin with, it is only because brahmins have not protected the vEdAs and that vEdAs were abused by everyone that today's state prevails. For anything and everything there needs to be protectors.. Can you go and access something confidential from the parliament or a research lab of the government or the defence ministry details? One needs to identify the path towards accessing these. Many might get disqualified due to various reasons. For example, a person suffering from short-sight is not eligible to be in military. Isn't the short-sight a birth defect? Could you ask why the government rejects people because of their short sight which came by birth? Similarly, vEdAs deal with advanced science that deal with dEvatAs which are subtle entities. One needs to be a master of the thri-guNAs and must be an embodiment of sattva guNA in order to deal with thesedEvatAs. Anyone, through severe penance and austerity can attain absolute sattva guNA. This is what the rishis had done. After attaining such guNA they mastered the art of controlling these dEvatAs(vEdic knowledge). And they passed on their guNA composition to their next generations via genes.. This is how the brahmaNAs clan has come so far and became the sole owners of the vEdAs. So, brAhmaNAs by birth possess an eligibility to access these powerful dEvatAs. But that does not mean they can control them. They have to follow all the staunch practices that were followed by their ancestors. Otherwise, they would be brahmaNAs just by birth and not by practice and hence will have no powers. So, simply reading vEdAs alone will not give you anything. Nor simply being born as a brAhmaNa will help. It comes out of extreme penance or by birth + proper practice. Non brahmins could take up the former path (VishwAmitrA is an example). brAhmaNas are of 8 types -janma, kruthi, gnyana, bhakti, siddhi and 3 more that is not on top of my mind. Being a brAhmaNa by birth is just a small step. The 7 further levels are the tougher part.So, accusing brahmins to have not shared vEdAs are of no use. If one is really interested in the absolute knowledge, one must put in the corresponding efforts. A deer can't keep asking how a lion cub is born for a lion and hence will become a lion in the future that controls the deer clan. All these are based on the efforts put in the previous births. Neither should brAhmaNAs be arrogant that they are born as brahmins nor should others envy that brAhmaNAs alone have access to the vEdic knowledge in totality. After-all, all that a brAhmaNA does with the vEdic knowledge is to wish and pray for the social welfare. When someone does it free for us, why should we question or interfere in their job?I have not tried to answer your question precisely as the answer should be found by yourself through your own means. I have just explained some of the misconceptions about brahmins and have given reasons for their ownership on the vEdic knowledge.adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan lakshmi narasimhan--- On Wed, 1/10/08, Prabhu 26 <prabhu.37 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:Prabhu 26 <prabhu.37 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Fwd: [sri ramanuja] Re: Fw: Fwd: Who will marry our priests ?sriguru (AT) gmail (DOT) com, v.lakshminrusimhan@ .co. in, ramanuja@ s.comWednesday, 1 October, 2008, 5:31 PMThe Article is really good, can anyone in the group tell me where theyteach Vedas for non brahmin, shiva iyer has mentioned that jewishbusinessman was so happy since his son willing to become rabbis,inchristian and muslim religion there is no obstacle stating only fewpeople can read the holy books, but in hindu religion, except brahminno one is able to read vedas, i know many people who are followingacharyam and anustanam but they are not able to read vedas becausethey are non brahmin, i also see a lot of people not followingacharyam and aunstanam and they are able to read vedas because theyare brahmin, tell me who is brahmin and who is non-brahmin, u cannotseperate people by birth, is anyone in the group can reply to thisarticle why there is a seperation, first try to clear the stupidsentiments what we are following, if vedas are teached to everyone, iam sure that there will be a lot of people will be interested tobecome priest, including me, so stop talking about other religion, letus clean ourselves, i expect shiva iyer and lakshminrusimhan to givereply to the question.---------- Forwarded message ----------v.lakshminrusimhan <v.lakshminrusimhan@ .co. in>Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 1:02 PM[sri ramanuja] Re: Fw: Fwd: Who will marry our priests ?ramanuja@ s.comsrimathE rAmAnujAya nama:srimathE varavaramunayE nama:sri aNNan tiruvadigaLE sharaNamAn interesting topic indeed. One of the major root cause isthe 'Astika nAstikAs'. mAmunigaL says in one of the pAsurams thatone should treat 'Astika nAstikAs' no worse than a nAstika i.e bothbeing thoroughly stupid, notorious and dangerous.These 'Astika nAstikAs' adorn 12 TirumaNs during important functionsand come in grand dothis to appear as great scholars. But, they aretotally hopeless and zero in AchAra anushtAnams. They don't followshAstrAs, nor know any penny worth in the vEdAs / vedAntAs,praBandAs or pUrvAchArya granthas. No faith / mahavishwAsam towardseither the supreme or their AchAryAs. These people see only pride inclaiming that they are born as brahmins. They don't even indulge inany kainkaryams. They do only parihArams under the pretext ofdharmam for their own developments. They eat onion / garlic /drumstick and all types of food that are not bhagavad / bhAgavadaprasadam. Some even don't perform shrArdhams. They don't have theguts to have a shikai even after their retirement. They are so proudof their gray hair indeed appearing in style. They do all theseunder the name of alignment with the modern trend / world. What theydon't understand or realise is that this so called educationalsystem, law and order, judicial system, parliament system, economyevery thing was implanted by westerners in order to destroy the richknowledge that our lineage possesses. They fall as a prey to thewestern culture, science and knowledge which is grossly immature,inadequate, insufficient, and incorrigible. Worst of this is theinclination towards the intolerable cinemas and the Televisionnonsenses.And the worst news is, unfortunately, such 'Astika nAstikAs' aremore than 95% in the society. Such people, grow their children thesame way. They grow their daughters adorning them with sleevelessshirts and tight jeans and pamper them will all obscurities underthe name of luxuries / trend. Girls come to temples in salvars andboys come in pants. It is absolutely a shame, but who cares.As vEdAs say, vEdAs fear when it falls in the hands of those whodon't know how to use them. The result is that the vEdic knowledgewhich is the supreme most from all perspectives, has starteddisappearing. Unless a conscious effort is made by every person whoclaims to be a sincere believer of vEdAs, nothing can be done.Everyone has a notion that the world is like this - without moneynothing could be done. 'Try being a sincere follower of vEdictradition, you won't have money for the food for the day' is whateveryone sarcastically say. While I laugh at such accusations, Ihave an interesting point to make. Think about 'every organism' inthe world other than human beings. Who is feeding them? Do they earnmoney and save? Don't they eat, give birth to their kids, grow themtill an adult, and then die? How is that possible in all theterrestrial, aquatic and arial beings other than the human? Whichmeans, the supreme lord has provided everything for us to live. Wedon't have to make ourselves go through the nonsense of modern trendto live our basic life. More than the non believers, it is we whoclaim ourselves to be believers(?) , who, under the name oflivelihood, are consciously corrupting the vedic society andcreating an irrepairable damage to the vedic knowledge and thus tothe entire society/world/ universe itself.May be it is time to think and get into action instead of expectingsome magic or some incarnation of the lord to come and clean. It isa shame to expect the lord to come and do the cleanup while He hasgiven all the ability for us to do it ourselves.mudalvanai chindiyAda appAvakArigaLai padaittavan enganampadaittAnkolO?adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan lakshmi narasimhan, "Dr.V.Sadagopan"<yennappan@. ..>wrote:>> SrI:>> Dear Sriman VenkatakrishNan & Sriman Siva Iyer :>> Thanks very much for posting this important article .> It provides focus on an important area . Sri Ahobila Matam> and Sri Andavan Aasramam are training these future scholars> with not only sampradhAyic knowledge but also modern skills> ( Computer skills) that could increase their employabilty> in the main stream as well , while rooted in their> Vedic Training . I am sure that other AchAryAs are giving> serious thoughts to this difficult situation . Our young girls> want to run as far as possible from qualified Vaidhika> bachelors with tufts (Sikhai) and who can not take them to> the movies & restaurants .>> I know one Bruhaspathy , who has fully trained his son> in performing all the Vaidhika Kaaryams , while sending> him to school to earn a Technical degree from an IIT .> His other son is staying in a classical Veda PaatasAla .>> These are real problems needing real and creative solutions .>> V.Sadagopan> -> venkata krishnan>>>> B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN .> website www.vedascience. com>> --- On Mon, 9/29/08, V.M.Ramkumar <vmrk.74 > wrote:>> Monday, September 29, 2008, 2:17 PM>>> Thought provoking fact in our life........ ......>>>>> Who will marry our priests ?>> The other day, I had been to a VEDA_PAATHASHAALAin Kerala, where they impart VEDIC education in the four Vedas, espthe YAJURVEDA, with the prime objective of creating highly trainedpriests and trained VEDIC chanters for conduct of various Hindufunctions and rituals.>>> As a NRI, and also a trained YAJURVEDI myself, Ifind lots of peace and solace whenever I'm able to give back tosuch great institutions providing the priests of our great religionwho are important cogs of our faith, without whom we would all belost.>>> I was impressed at the number of young mentraining enthusiastically in the Vedas and the chief old priestwelcomed my modest donation. And then he added with a wry smile.>>> NRI Hindus like you and other well to do Hindus inIndia come here and give us lots of money and resources for ourVedic school and we are no doubt indebted to them. BUT NOBODY GIVESUS GIRLS IN MARRIAGE FOR ALL THIS ELIGIBLE YOUNG MEN HERE, EVEN THEHIGHEST QUALIFIED PRIESTS..WHY? ? AREN"T THESE YOUNG MEN NOT GOODAS ANY DOCTOR OR LAWYER OUT THERE BY VIRTUE OF EXCELLING IN THEVEDAS, THE ENGINE OF OUR HINDU CULTURE. WHY DOES OUR SOCIETY GIVETHESE YOUNG MEN SECONDARY STATUS AND LOOK DOWN UPON THEIRPROFESSION?? , the old priest asked and set me thinking.>>> YES: THE OLD PRIEST WAS VERY RIGHT. WE DO NOTWANT OUR SISTERS/DAUGHTERS TO GET MARRIED TO ANY PRIEST EVEN IF THEPRIEST IS WELL QUALIFIED IN THE VEDAS AND EVEN HAS GOOD INCOME.> EVEN YOUNG HINDU GIRLS, MESMERIZED BY WESTERNVALUES AND FASHION DO NOT WANT TO MARRY PRIESTS... WHY???>>> And immediately my thoughts went to theircounterparts in other religions> and what I see is this:>>> THE MULLAH, THE RABBI, THE FATHER, HAVE GOT MUCHMUCH BETTER STATUS IN THEIR SOCIETIES AND CIRCLES THAN OUR HINDUPRIESTS. MANY OF THE MUSLIMS FEEL THAT IT IS THE HIGHEST HONOR IFTHEIR DAUGHTERS/SISTERS COULD GET NIKAAH WITH A MAULVI WELL VERSEDIN THE KORAN.>>> And here I mention my encounter with amultimillionaire Jewish business from Australia (where I live)proudly sending his two sons to Israel to get trained in a JewishSeminary where they could choose to become highly qualified rabbis,should they deem so. I then asked this businessman as to whetherhe would have any objections if his sons became Rabbis instead ofjoining him in his business or taking up other-so-called- made-itoccupations. For this the businessman replied without hesitation:I WILL BE THE MOST FORTUNATE FATHER IF MY SONS BECOME QUALIFIEDRABBIS.">>> And then I wondered: HOW MANY RICH HINDUSWILLINGLY SEND THEIR SONS TO VEDA PAATHASHAALAS WITH THE SOLEINTENTION OF MAKING THEM PRIESTS???> THE ANSWER: ZILCH... AND THIS IS A MATTER OFGREAT SHAME FOR ALL HINDUS.>>> AND WE TALK OF SURVIVAL OF HINDUISM IN BHARAT WHENWE DO NOT GIVE A DAMN FOR EVEN OUR GENUINELY WELL QUALIFIEDPRIESTS????>>> MASTERING THE VEDAS IS AS PROFOUND AND EVEN HIGHERTHAN BECOMING A DOCTOR OR A LAWYER OR A SCIENTIST...>>> THERE IS AN IRONIC SIGN IN Udupi AND IT READS:>>> HERE PRIESTS AND COOKS CAN NEVER GET MARRIED!!!>>> SHIVA IYER, om.sriguru (AT) gmail (DOT) com> 260908>____________ _________ _________ __Get rid of Add-Ons in your email ID. Get yourname (AT) ymail (DOT) com. Sign up now! Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (5) 2a. Re: Fw: Fwd: Who will marry our priests ? Posted by: "Padmanabhan" aazhwar aazhwar Wed Oct 1, 2008 5:23 am (PDT) Dear Sir,Please dont use the word 'Stupid' and all. YOu can express your sentiments but not in this fashion, plese.thanksvanamamalai padmanabhan- Prabhu 26 sriguru (AT) gmail (DOT) com ; v.lakshminrusimhan@ .co. in ; ramanuja@ s.com Wednesday, October 01, 2008 5:31 PMFwd: [sri ramanuja] Re: Fw: Fwd: Who will marry our priests ?The Article is really good, can anyone in the group tell me where theyteach Vedas for non brahmin, shiva iyer has mentioned that jewishbusinessman was so happy since his son willing to become rabbis,inchristian and muslim religion there is no obstacle stating only fewpeople can read the holy books, but in hindu religion, except brahminno one is able to read vedas, i know many people who are followingacharyam and anustanam but they are not able to read vedas becausethey are non brahmin, i also see a lot of people not followingacharyam and aunstanam and they are able to read vedas because theyare brahmin, tell me who is brahmin and who is non-brahmin, u cannotseperate people by birth, is anyone in the group can reply to thisarticle why there is a seperation, first try to clear the stupidsentiments what we are following, if vedas are teached to everyone, iam sure that there will be a lot of people will be interested tobecome priest, including me, so stop talking about other religion, letus clean ourselves, i expect shiva iyer and lakshminrusimhan to givereply to the question.---------- Forwarded message ----------v.lakshminrusimhan <v.lakshminrusimhan@ .co. in>Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 1:02 PM[sri ramanuja] Re: Fw: Fwd: Who will marry our priests ?ramanuja@ s.comsrimathE rAmAnujAya nama:srimathE varavaramunayE nama:sri aNNan tiruvadigaLE sharaNamAn interesting topic indeed. One of the major root cause isthe 'Astika nAstikAs'. mAmunigaL says in one of the pAsurams thatone should treat 'Astika nAstikAs' no worse than a nAstika i.e bothbeing thoroughly stupid, notorious and dangerous.These 'Astika nAstikAs' adorn 12 TirumaNs during important functionsand come in grand dothis to appear as great scholars. But, they aretotally hopeless and zero in AchAra anushtAnams. They don't followshAstrAs, nor know any penny worth in the vEdAs / vedAntAs,praBandAs or pUrvAchArya granthas. No faith / mahavishwAsam towardseither the supreme or their AchAryAs. These people see only pride inclaiming that they are born as brahmins. They don't even indulge inany kainkaryams. They do only parihArams under the pretext ofdharmam for their own developments. They eat onion / garlic /drumstick and all types of food that are not bhagavad / bhAgavadaprasadam. Some even don't perform shrArdhams. They don't have theguts to have a shikai even after their retirement. They are so proudof their gray hair indeed appearing in style. They do all theseunder the name of alignment with the modern trend / world. What theydon't understand or realise is that this so called educationalsystem, law and order, judicial system, parliament system, economyevery thing was implanted by westerners in order to destroy the richknowledge that our lineage possesses. They fall as a prey to thewestern culture, science and knowledge which is grossly immature,inadequate, insufficient, and incorrigible. Worst of this is theinclination towards the intolerable cinemas and the Televisionnonsenses.And the worst news is, unfortunately, such 'Astika nAstikAs' aremore than 95% in the society. Such people, grow their children thesame way. They grow their daughters adorning them with sleevelessshirts and tight jeans and pamper them will all obscurities underthe name of luxuries / trend. Girls come to temples in salvars andboys come in pants. It is absolutely a shame, but who cares.As vEdAs say, vEdAs fear when it falls in the hands of those whodon't know how to use them. The result is that the vEdic knowledgewhich is the supreme most from all perspectives, has starteddisappearing. Unless a conscious effort is made by every person whoclaims to be a sincere believer of vEdAs, nothing can be done.Everyone has a notion that the world is like this - without moneynothing could be done. 'Try being a sincere follower of vEdictradition, you won't have money for the food for the day' is whateveryone sarcastically say. While I laugh at such accusations, Ihave an interesting point to make. Think about 'every organism' inthe world other than human beings. Who is feeding them? Do they earnmoney and save? Don't they eat, give birth to their kids, grow themtill an adult, and then die? How is that possible in all theterrestrial, aquatic and arial beings other than the human? Whichmeans, the supreme lord has provided everything for us to live. Wedon't have to make ourselves go through the nonsense of modern trendto live our basic life. More than the non believers, it is we whoclaim ourselves to be believers(?) , who, under the name oflivelihood, are consciously corrupting the vedic society andcreating an irrepairable damage to the vedic knowledge and thus tothe entire society/world/ universe itself.May be it is time to think and get into action instead of expectingsome magic or some incarnation of the lord to come and clean. It isa shame to expect the lord to come and do the cleanup while He hasgiven all the ability for us to do it ourselves.mudalvanai chindiyAda appAvakArigaLai padaittavan enganampadaittAnkolO?adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan lakshmi narasimhan, "Dr.V.Sadagopan" <yennappan@. ..>wrote:>> SrI:>> Dear Sriman VenkatakrishNan & Sriman Siva Iyer :>> Thanks very much for posting this important article .> It provides focus on an important area . Sri Ahobila Matam> and Sri Andavan Aasramam are training these future scholars> with not only sampradhAyic knowledge but also modern skills> ( Computer skills) that could increase their employabilty> in the main stream as well , while rooted in their> Vedic Training . I am sure that other AchAryAs are giving> serious thoughts to this difficult situation . Our young girls> want to run as far as possible from qualified Vaidhika> bachelors with tufts (Sikhai) and who can not take them to> the movies & restaurants .>> I know one Bruhaspathy , who has fully trained his son> in performing all the Vaidhika Kaaryams , while sending> him to school to earn a Technical degree from an IIT .> His other son is staying in a classical Veda PaatasAla .>> These are real problems needing real and creative solutions .>> V.Sadagopan> -> venkata krishnan>>>> B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN .> website www.vedascience. com>> --- On Mon, 9/29/08, V.M.Ramkumar <vmrk.74 > wrote:>> Monday, September 29, 2008, 2:17 PM>>> Thought provoking fact in our life........ ......>>>>> Who will marry our priests ?>> The other day, I had been to a VEDA_PAATHASHAALAin Kerala, where they impart VEDIC education in the four Vedas, espthe YAJURVEDA, with the prime objective of creating highly trainedpriests and trained VEDIC chanters for conduct of various Hindufunctions and rituals.>>> As a NRI, and also a trained YAJURVEDI myself, Ifind lots of peace and solace whenever I'm able to give back tosuch great institutions providing the priests of our great religionwho are important cogs of our faith, without whom we would all belost.>>> I was impressed at the number of young mentraining enthusiastically in the Vedas and the chief old priestwelcomed my modest donation. And then he added with a wry smile.>>> NRI Hindus like you and other well to do Hindus inIndia come here and give us lots of money and resources for ourVedic school and we are no doubt indebted to them. BUT NOBODY GIVESUS GIRLS IN MARRIAGE FOR ALL THIS ELIGIBLE YOUNG MEN HERE, EVEN THEHIGHEST QUALIFIED PRIESTS..WHY? ? AREN"T THESE YOUNG MEN NOT GOODAS ANY DOCTOR OR LAWYER OUT THERE BY VIRTUE OF EXCELLING IN THEVEDAS, THE ENGINE OF OUR HINDU CULTURE. WHY DOES OUR SOCIETY GIVETHESE YOUNG MEN SECONDARY STATUS AND LOOK DOWN UPON THEIRPROFESSION?? , the old priest asked and set me thinking.>>> YES: THE OLD PRIEST WAS VERY RIGHT. WE DO NOTWANT OUR SISTERS/DAUGHTERS TO GET MARRIED TO ANY PRIEST EVEN IF THEPRIEST IS WELL QUALIFIED IN THE VEDAS AND EVEN HAS GOOD INCOME.> EVEN YOUNG HINDU GIRLS, MESMERIZED BY WESTERNVALUES AND FASHION DO NOT WANT TO MARRY PRIESTS... WHY???>>> And immediately my thoughts went to theircounterparts in other religions> and what I see is this:>>> THE MULLAH, THE RABBI, THE FATHER, HAVE GOT MUCHMUCH BETTER STATUS IN THEIR SOCIETIES AND CIRCLES THAN OUR HINDUPRIESTS. MANY OF THE MUSLIMS FEEL THAT IT IS THE HIGHEST HONOR IFTHEIR DAUGHTERS/SISTERS COULD GET NIKAAH WITH A MAULVI WELL VERSEDIN THE KORAN.>>> And here I mention my encounter with amultimillionaire Jewish business from Australia (where I live)proudly sending his two sons to Israel to get trained in a JewishSeminary where they could choose to become highly qualified rabbis,should they deem so. I then asked this businessman as to whetherhe would have any objections if his sons became Rabbis instead ofjoining him in his business or taking up other-so-called- made-itoccupations. For this the businessman replied without hesitation:I WILL BE THE MOST FORTUNATE FATHER IF MY SONS BECOME QUALIFIEDRABBIS.">>> And then I wondered: HOW MANY RICH HINDUSWILLINGLY SEND THEIR SONS TO VEDA PAATHASHAALAS WITH THE SOLEINTENTION OF MAKING THEM PRIESTS???> THE ANSWER: ZILCH... AND THIS IS A MATTER OFGREAT SHAME FOR ALL HINDUS.>>> AND WE TALK OF SURVIVAL OF HINDUISM IN BHARAT WHENWE DO NOT GIVE A DAMN FOR EVEN OUR GENUINELY WELL QUALIFIEDPRIESTS????>>> MASTERING THE VEDAS IS AS PROFOUND AND EVEN HIGHERTHAN BECOMING A DOCTOR OR A LAWYER OR A SCIENTIST...>>> THERE IS AN IRONIC SIGN IN Udupi AND IT READS:>>> HERE PRIESTS AND COOKS CAN NEVER GET MARRIED!!!>>> SHIVA IYER, om.sriguru (AT) gmail (DOT) com> 260908> Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (5) Recent Activity 2 New Members 2 New Photos 1 New LinksVisit Your Group Women of Curves on see how women are changing their lives. 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