Guest guest Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Srimathe Ramanujayanma:Adiyen present below further instalment of translation of Mumutshuppadi Mulam-5. This Chapter is important in the sense that it gives explanations and meaning of Samsaris. Sriyapathi Sriman Narayanangave this world the Thirumandiram "ohm namo narayana" to pull us from the treacherous bog of materialistic pleasurethat we hold tightly in this world. Let us chant this mantra whenever we get time with bakthi, concentrating our mind on the omnipotent and omnipresent Sriman Narayananand get purified and rejuvinated: MUMUTSHUPPADI Question and Answers by MARUTHIDASAN Translation from Tamizh to English By Ranga Madabushi (for private circulation only) Mulam-5 “When Samsarigal (Those who live for materialistic pleasure) FORGET themselves and the Iswar completely, thus LOSE the opportunity to serve Iswar without any concern for losing HIM, fall in the boundless sea of misery (Samsara) and suffer in pain, Sarwesaran Sriman Narayanan, due to HIS merciful benevolence offers Himself as a syshya (disciple) and Acharyan (Divine Teacher and Guide) and lead us to the shore, UNFOLDING the THIRUMANDIRAM like a log of wood to hold at the time of distress in the middle of the sea†(The reasons for offering the THIRUMANDIRAM and its valuable glories are explained) (Q) 1. What are the sufferings experienced by samsaris? (A) The three kinds of sufferings that samsarigals experience are (1) aAthyathmigam, (2) aAthy bouthigam and (3) aAthy thyvigam. (Q) 2. aAthyathmigam – Explain. (A) The sufferings that emerge from the mind and body are called aAthyathmigam. This has two types, (1) Sareera (body) aAthyathmigam and (2) mind aAthyathmigam. Sufferings of the body like head-ache, fever, cold, and cough pertain to Sareera aArhyathmigam. Lust, enmity and envies pertain to mind aAthyathmigam. (Q) 3. aAthy bouthigam – Explain (A) The sufferings due to ‘Pysasam’ (ghost), wild animals, humans are called aAthy bouthigam. (Q) 4. aAthy thyvigam – Explain. (A) The sufferings one experience due to Iswara sangalpam, like storm, rain, thunder and heat are called aAthy Thyvigam. Therefore, samsaris get three sufferings viz. that come from his own, that come from others and the ones come from the acts of Iswar. (Q) 5. What are the reasons for the Samsaris to suffer like this? (A) Samsarigal (persons who think only the materialistic pleasures in this world) have forgotten that their goal is self surrender to Iswar (to be a sheshi). They have forgotten the quality of Iswar that HE is their Nrupathikaseshi (that HE will give solace without any requirements or conditions). Thus by forgetting these qualities, they lose the inevitable strength of doing kaingaryam to Bhagavan (Purushartham). By these means, without even the slightest feeling that we are losing the ability to do kainkaryam to Iswar, we fall in the ocean of samsara and suffer. The route cause for these sufferings is, as referred to earlier, the absence of Artha Panjaga gnanam*. ________________ *Please refer to Mulam-3 (Q) 2 Answer: The means to attain the benefits of (1) Athma swaroopam (2) Iswara swaroopam (3) the swaroopa of good (4) the swaroopa of evil and the swaroopa of getting salvation for such evils, is called Artha Panjaga Gnanam. _________________ (Q) 6. What is the reason for Bhagavan to unfold the Thirumandiram? (A) The benevolent, merciful Bhagavan can not watch the learned Chetanas leading useless life, wasting their time in materialistic pleasure and subjected to endless sufferings. In order that the Chetanas realize that Iswar is the supreme protector and that they will be protected by HIM (Isa Isi divya sambhandam); in order that they get the required knowledge to cross the sea of birth with the help of the ship of self and reach safely the shore of Mukthi (supreme happiness); Bhagavan appeared Himself as Shishyas and Acharyas in this world and unfolded the mystic Artha Panjagam viz. Thirumandiram, in a brief, knowledgeable, simple way. (Q) 7. Samsarigal – Explain. (A) Those who from time immemorial, due to the pleasure of the body, lured by Avidya, Karma, aroma and taste suffer from birth and death are called Samsarigal. (Q) 8. Avidya – Explain. (A) Foolish unawareness or unknowledgeable is called Avidya.. To think that body is Athma and I am not a slave of Iswar and to think that I live for myself is called Avidya. (Q) 9. Karma – Explain. (A) The repercussions of good and bad of the above foolish unawareness are called Karma. (Q) 10. Aroma (Vasanai) – Explain. (A) This can be classified as Avidya Vasanai and Karma Vasanai. The instinct fear and to retreat hastily on seeing snakes etc. is called Avidya Vasanai. Saints (Gnanigal) will have no fear of this and will remain unaffected. The instinct to pluck leafs, grass etc. are called Karma Vasanai. (Q) 11. Ruchi (Taste) – Explain. (A) The desire which is responsible for one’s act of good or bad, knowingly done is called Ruchi. (Q) 12. Whether the word ‘Samsarigal’ will mean grahasthar (married people)? (A) No.The person under the real world order due to his foolish unawareness suffer under the materialistic pleasures, whether he is leading a married life, a bachelor or a sanyasi, all of them grouped together as Samsarigal. Therefore, those who do not think about worldly materialistic pleasure are Gnanis (learned people). There are Gnanis in persons leading a married life. (Q) 13. In Mulam -5 aphorism (Suthra), why it has been mentioned as FORGET instead of ‘unaware’? (A) The relationship between Jeevathma and Paramathma viz. Adiyavan (devotee) and thalaivan (Lord) (the relationship of Sesha-Seshabhavam) as envisaged in Sastras is naturally attained by Jeevathma. Even though this relationship is attained only now, in spite of it being in one’s inner mind always and is forgotten in the middle in the course of one’s life. Therefore it is referred to as ‘Forgotten’ instead of ‘Unawareness’. (Q) 14. In this aphorism why it is called LOST? (Lose the opportunity to do kangaryam to Iswar) (A) Due to his insane qualities, Chetanas fail to do his duty defined for him in the matter of Kainkarya to Iswar, who has been assigned to him as his LORD (Sheshi); he failed to think about such Kankarya; without realizing that he has lost such ability and seeing that he (chetana) continues to suffer in the materialistic pleasure of this world, it is mentioned as LOST (Q) 15. Instead of saying “ArulicheithAn†(to offer afresh sacredly), why it is mentioned as ‘Veliyittarulinan’ (to unfold benevolently)? (A) Sarveswaran has not said anything new out of his imagination. Not tolerating the sufferings of the chetanas HE proclaimed to everybody the simple and supreme THIRUMANDIRAM and therefore referred to as ‘benevolently unfolded’ the Mandiram. (Suthra -5).Adiyen Ramanuja DasanRanga Madabushi New Email addresses available on Get the Email name you've always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail. Hurry before someone else does! 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Guest guest Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Swamin,There were a few typographical error which I have corrected and sending the edited version please.Sorry for the inconvenience.Adiyen Ranga Madabushi----- Forwarded Message ----Ranga Madabushi <mithila3ramanuja Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 16:20:33Mumutshuppadi- Mulam-5Srimathe Ramanujayanma:Adiyen present below further instalment of translation of Mumutshuppadi Mulam-5. This Chapter is important in the sense that it gives explanations and meaning of Samsaris. Sriyapathi Sriman Narayanan gave this world the Thirumandiram "ohm namo narayana" to pull us from the treacherous bog of materialistic pleasure that we hold tightly in this world. Let us chant this mantra whenever we get time with bakthi, concentrating our mind on the omnipotent and omnipresent Sriman Narayananand get purified and rejuvenated: MUMUTSHUPPADI Question and Answers by MARUTHIDASAN Translation from Tamizh to English By Ranga Madabushi (for private circulation only) Mulam-5 “When Samsarigal (Those who live for materialistic pleasure) FORGET themselves and the Iswar completely, thus LOSE the opportunity to serve Iswar without any concern for losing HIM, fall in the boundless sea of misery (Samsara) and suffer in pain, Sarwesaran Sriman Narayanan, due to HIS merciful benevolence offers Himself as a syshya (disciple) and Acharyan (Divine Teacher and Guide) and lead us to the shore, UNFOLDING the THIRUMANDIRAM like a log of wood to hold at the time of distress in the middle of the sea†(The reasons for offering the THIRUMANDIRAM and its valuable glories are explained) (Q) 1. What are the sufferings experienced by samsaris? (A) The three kinds of sufferings that samsarigals experience are (1) aAthyathmigam, (2) aAthy bouthigam and (3) aAthy thyvigam. (Q) 2. aAthyathmigam – Explain. (A) The sufferings that emerge from the mind and body are called aAthyathmigam. This has two types, (1) Sareera (body) aAthyathmigam and (2) mind aAthyathmigam. Sufferings of the body like head-ache, fever, cold, and cough pertain to Sareera aArhyathmigam. Lust, enmity and envies pertain to mind aAthyathmigam. (Q) 3. aAthy bouthigam – Explain (A) The sufferings due to ‘Pysasam’ (ghost), wild animals, humans are called aAthy bouthigam. (Q) 4. aAthy thyvigam – Explain. (A) The sufferings one experience due to Iswara sangalpam, like storm, rain, thunder and heat are called aAthy Thyvigam. Therefore, samsaris get three sufferings viz. that come from his own, that come from others and the ones come from the acts of Iswar. (Q) 5. What are the reasons for the Samsaris to suffer like this? (A) Samsarigal (persons who think only the materialistic pleasures in this world) have forgotten that their goal is self surrender to Iswar (to be a sheshi). They have forgotten the quality of Iswar that HE is their Nrupathikaseshi (that HE will give solace without any requirements or conditions). Thus by forgetting these qualities, they lose the inevitable strength of doing kaingaryam to Bhagavan (Purushartham). By these means, without even the slightest feeling that we are losing the ability to do kainkaryam to Iswar, we fall in the ocean of samsara and suffer. The route cause for these sufferings is, as referred to earlier, the absence of Artha Panjaga gnanam*. ________________ *Please refer to Mulam-3 (Q) 2 Answer: The means to attain the benefits of (1) Athma swaroopam (2) Iswara swaroopam (3) the swaroopa of good (4) the swaroopa of evil and the swaroopa of getting salvation for such evils, is called Artha Panjaga Gnanam. _________________ (Q) 6. What is the reason for Bhagavan to unfold the Thirumandiram? (A) The benevolent, merciful Bhagavan can not watch the learned Chetanas leading useless life, wasting their time in materialistic pleasure and subjected to endless sufferings. In order that the Chetanas realize that Iswar is the supreme protector and that they will be protected by HIM (Isa Isi divya sambhandam); in order that they get the required knowledge to cross the sea of birth with the help of the ship of self and reach safely the shore of Mukthi (supreme happiness); Bhagavan appeared Himself as Shishyas and Acharyas in this world and unfolded the mystic Artha Panjagam viz. Thirumandiram, in a brief, knowledgeable, simple way. (Q) 7. Samsarigal – Explain. (A) Those who from time immemorial, due to the pleasure of the body, lured by Avidya, Karma, aroma and taste suffer from birth and death are called Samsarigal. (Q) 8. Avidya – Explain. (A) Foolish unawareness or unknowledgeable is called Avidya.. To think that body is Athma and I am not a slave of Iswar and to think that I live for myself is called Avidya. (Q) 9. Karma – Explain. (A) The repercussions of good and bad of the above foolish unawareness are called Karma. (Q) 10. Aroma (Vasanai) – Explain. (A) This can be classified as Avidya Vasanai and Karma Vasanai. The instinct fear and to retreat hastily on seeing snakes etc. is called Avidya Vasanai. Saints (Gnanigal) will have no fear of this and will remain unaffected. The instinct to pluck leafs, grass etc. are called Karma Vasanai. (Q) 11. Ruchi (Taste) – Explain. (A) The desire which is responsible for one’s act of good or bad, knowingly done is called Ruchi. (Q) 12. Whether the word ‘Samsarigal’ will mean grahasthar (married people)? (A) No.The person under the real world order due to his foolish unawareness suffer under the materialistic pleasures, whether he is leading a married life, a bachelor or a sanyasi, all of them grouped together as Samsarigal. Therefore, those who do not think about worldly materialistic pleasure are Gnanis (learned people). There are Gnanis in persons leading a married life. (Q) 13. In Mulam -5 aphorism (Suthra), why it has been mentioned as FORGET instead of ‘unaware’? (A) The relationship between Jeevathma and Paramathma viz. Adiyavan (devotee) and thalaivan (Lord) (the relationship of Sesha-Seshabhavam) as envisaged in Sastras is naturally attained by Jeevathma. Even though this relationship is attained only now, in spite of it being in one’s inner mind always and is forgotten in the middle in the course of one’s life. Therefore it is referred to as ‘Forgotten’ instead of ‘Unawareness’. (Q) 14. In this aphorism why it is called LOST? (Lose the opportunity to do kangaryam to Iswar) (A) Due to his insane qualities, Chetanas fail to do his duty defined for him in the matter of Kainkarya to Iswar, who has been assigned to him as his LORD (Sheshi); he failed to think about such Kankarya; without realizing that he has lost such ability and seeing that he (chetana) continues to suffer in the materialistic pleasure of this world, it is mentioned as LOST (Q) 15. Instead of saying “ArulicheithAn†(to offer afresh sacredly), why it is mentioned as ‘Veliyittarulinan’ (to unfold benevolently)? (A) Sarveswaran has not said anything new out of his imagination. Not tolerating the sufferings of the chetanas HE proclaimed to everybody the simple and supreme THIRUMANDIRAM and therefore referred to as ‘benevolently unfolded’ the Mandiram. (Suthra -5).Adiyen Ramanuja DasanRanga Madabushi New Email addresses available on Get the Email name you've always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail. Hurry before someone else does! 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