Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 ramanuja , kamini ranganathan <kamini1956 wrote: > > Pranam!! > I too had the same feeling.Don't u think bhagavat geetha and Sharanagathi have some conflict some where.But what i gather now is even when one is trying to fend for oneself should think that though the karma is mine the ultimate result will be decided by the Lord.But again here what i thought was since we r humans we r able to understand this and some time or the other r able to realise but what happens to lesser mortals.Every body is not like Gajendra.Thats what i was thinking. > Kamini > > --- On Tue, 17/2/09, sriram aravamuthan <vidusri2 wrote: > > sriram aravamuthan <vidusri2 > Re: [sri ramanuja] some thoughts on Gajendra Moksham > ramanuja > Tuesday, 17 February, 2009, 12:20 PM > > My humble pranaams to all the bhagavtaas. I am only an aspiring Vaishnava & I have had no formal training. > > The first thing Adiyen learnt was to not interpret on our own. It is not adiyen's intention to pin-point nor is adiyen qualified, but the aim was to share some of my points to a 'peer' in spiritual progress. > > The below are adiyen's thoughts. Please do correct whereever they are wrong.. > > Also, Draupadi, Arjuna, et all are pure and very senior devotees of the Lord. They are instruments of the Lord. They were able to surrender unconditionally. Can one imagine the surrender of Draupadi!? We cannot imitate them. But atleast we can atleast learn and follow the principles. I am lead to think they were given such extreme tests so that we learn from their experiences. > > We build dams, earth-quake proof homes, get insurance, etc. We are at fault if we think our measures, efforts and planning would save us. A small bacteria can humble us with infection. We can take these measures, but the least we can do is keep the Lord in our mind all the while. If we subtract the god-consciousness from such activities, what would be left is an act of passion (raajasic) or ignorance (taamasic). > > I think the first step we (the beginner Vaishnava like yours truly) can take is to have the name of Perumaal in our lips and minds and proceed to perform our action & accept the consequences as divine arragement. > > namO nArAyanAya! > > Adiyen ramanuja dasan, > Sriram > > > > giridhar tirucherai <gtirucherai@ > > ramanuja@ s.com > Monday, February 16, 2009 8:08:23 PM > Re: [sri ramanuja] some thoughts on Gajendra Moksham > > > > Kamini, > > Great question that has stimulated several responses. I have a further query that arises from this discussion. Like you, I too am a nascent Sri Vaishnavite, so my question though naive, is sincere. > > Reading the responses from the group members, I am somewhat conflicted in this scenario when I think about the Lord's directive in Bhagavad Gita that advocates " Intensive action in the midst of eternal calmness and vice versa " . The lord tells Arjuna to do his duty, come what may. Suppose I am trying to cross a railway track and my foot gets stuck in the tracks, is the immediate response to try and extricate my foot, or should I not panic and just surrender saying " God will find a way " . The answer seems that I should keep my faith in God, and still make all efforts to try and extricate my foot from the track. This would seem like the right thing to do. Similarly, Gajendra tried to do what he could to overcome the crocodile. Finding no success, he surrendered ultimately. > > Fighting for one's life is part of one's duty. In this case, Gajendra's duty and insinctive response was to try and protect his life! One might say that his actions were very much in line with the teachings of the Bhagavad Gita, and should probably commend him for doing this. He took all efforts and fought with the crocodile, be it 1000 years! The Gita advocates action and says " Inaction is not an option " . > > However, Krishna also states in the Gita " Sarva Dharmaan Parityajya Maam Ekam Saranam Vraja " . I Interpret this as " having exhausted all dharmas " (in this situation fighting with the crocodile for several years) surrender to me alone. > > I would be interested to know if Gajendra's actions were indeed the right and expected one. I would like to think that one should make all possible efforts to deal with the problem, and then surrender to the lord. > > How can we attribute Gajendra's observance of his duty and making efforts to deal with the situation at hand, as " ego " ? Are his actions not in keeping with the teachings of the Gita? > > Giridhar > > --- On Mon, 2/16/09, rajan chandar <chandar58 > wrote: > rajan chandar <chandar58 > > Re: [sri ramanuja] some thoughts on Gajendra Moksham > ramanuja@ s.com > Monday, February 16, 2009, 6:37 AM > > Hari Om ! > > Well, eventhough the intention of Gajendran to enter the waters was to pluck flower for Lord Sriman Narayana ! His Bhakti was unparallel but the moment crocodile caught his leg,he thought of fighting his way out & so he did all he could to win over the situation, which shows his dependence on his strength,buthi, & ego etc, wherein he failed to remember the Lord immediately. When he was ultimately loosing, he remembered the lord and totally surrendered to him and he was saved. Period 1000 yrs refers to differennt Yuga's period. > The elephant here symbolises, the Big " I " which we carry in our selves, in every action of our life, which need to be brought down and total Saranagathi is to be realised ! That is the Goal.. Rest He will take care. Our earnest effort should be towards that Goal ! We don't have to be worried about the results etc, since you have surrendered, it is no more your responsibility. . But again as said in Sri Gita, we have to live out our life unattached.. to the material things & remember the Lord. > The same situation u can find Mahabharath in Darupathi vastrabaranam, where she was she was saved by Lord Krishna, when she totally surrendered to him.. Another interesting fact is if you see Lord Guruvayur Appan picture,u can notice Lord Vishnu holding, Lotus flower in his right hand, wherein he is giving out a message that he is ready to grace moksham to Bhakta's with pure bakthi ...like Gajendran.. > > Hari Om > Namaskar/Chandar > > --- On Mon, 2/16/09, kamini1956 <kamini1956> wrote: > > kamini1956 <kamini1956> > [sri ramanuja] Query!! > ramanuja@ s.com > Monday, February 16, 2009, 2:31 PM > > Swamins! > Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan!!! > Recently i was hearing To u.Ve.Velukkudi Swami's upanyasam.That was > Gajendra moksham episode in which he said that Gajendran had to fight > for 1000yrs before he was saved.The moment he called out Adimulame god > did not delay a moment to save him. > Now my question is does one has to wait so long to be saved?Secondly > does god come only on calling,are not the intetion and devotion enough > to be helped?Or does he wait for us to surrender completely to be saved? > That means no trials from our side at all is it so? > These r my genuine doubts.I am still at my nascent level of > vaishnavism. So do help me. > Awaiting with bated breath > Kamini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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