Visistadvaitha 9 (Athiest)

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Jai Srimannarayana!

 

(Contd.....)

 

 

“My dear friend, your talk has some truth in it and more falsehood in

it.”

 

The atheist got irritated. He seriously said,“All I said is truth! You yourself

accepted that you have not sensed either the God or the individual soul

(Jeevatman) using sense organs. How is that you say that my talk has

falsehood?”.

 

I replied, “No one can sense and thus know the God or the individual soul using

the sense organs. In that manner, your argument is having truth. My answer to

your questions regarding “Have you sensed God/individual soul using sense

organs?” was “No” in this context of only. By saying “No” I never meant that

“God and Jeevatman” cannot be known at all. They cannot be known by application

of sense organs like eyes, ears etc. but can be known by other authorities.

 

The atheist on hearing my counter-argument said with a giggle, “What else could

be considered as authority other than the Pratyaksha Pramanam (application of

sense organs and thus getting knowledge)? Why cannot we accept that there is no

God or no Jeevaatman (individual soul) as they are not sensed by sense organs?”

 

I spoke to the atheist and asked him to commit one thing – which is

 

“Are you atheist committing that any entity that cannot be sensed by

application of sense organs is not existing?”

 

The atheist repeated that he commits the same and only Pratyaksha pramanam is

valid. I said to the atheist –

 

“Have you not come across ‘Ultrasonic sound” in science which cannot be heard by

our ears but still proved by science as existing entity? Have you not come

across “Ultra Violet light” which cannot be seen by our eyes but still proved by

science as existing entity? Have you ever seen the structure of atom which

science has proved to be composed of certain constituents?

Have you touched it? Have you tasted it? Have you smelt it? How is that you

comprehend the dual nature of light? It is also natural that two individuals may

get different knowledge about the same object using their sense organs in

different ways because of the effectiveness of each individual’s sense organs.

Further each sense organ has its own limitations in its applications”.

 

On hearing my counter-arguments in the form of questions, the atheist was silent

for a minute and then the atheist asked me “See this my friend, you have

wonderfully argued and made my commitment to be null and void. But this does not

prove the presence of God or individual soul. Science has proved those entities

that you mentioned like ultra violet rays, ultrasonic sound etc by

experimenting, observation, and

inferences. There is scientific scriptural authority for it given by

scientists.”

 

I saw the face of the atheist when he was saying this to me – it was pale and he

has totally stopped his laughter and giggle. He has become totally serious. I

now addressed the atheist as follows:

“Your own words prove that you accept the reality/presence/existence of certain

entities which cannot be comprehended by application of our senses organs”.

 

The atheist now said, “Yes”.

 

I then took him with me to meet another person who called himself as a

“Believer” in God.

 

 

Andal Tiruvadigale Saranam

Madhava Ramanuja dasan.