Guest guest Posted August 1, 2000 Report Share Posted August 1, 2000 SrI: SrI Lakshminrusimha ParabrahmaNE namaha SrImatE rAmAnujAya namaha SrImatE nigamAnta mahAdESikAya namaha SrI nArAyaNa yateendra mahAdESikAya namaha Dear devotees, namO nArAyaNa. This posting is on the " antarvyApti " and " bahirvyApti " of SrIman nArAyaNa over all the other entities. In the chillarai rahasyam virOdha parihAram (50), swAmi DESikan asks the following question and answers it by himself : Qtn : A jIvAtma is aNu (atomic) in nature to the extent that there is nothing which is smaller than that. There is nothing like " inside a jIvAtma " since by nature it is aNu. Similarly, kAlA (ie.time) is vibhu (all pervading). So, there is nothing like " outside the kAlA " since by nature it is all pervading. When these are the facts , How can the Lord be said to be present inside and outside of everything ? How can He be told to be inside a jIvAtma and outside the kAlA ? Ans : The purport of such Scriptural statements is that, ParamAtma is present everywhere alongwith all the entities ie. In all the dravyAs, there is no pradESa (place) in which Lord does not exist. < Ref: SrI SrIrAmadESikAchArya's vivaraNam and moolam >. Thus, SwAmi DESikan explains that Lord nArAyaNa (ie.divyAtma swaroopam) is physically not present inside a jIvAtma. ----------------------------- Lets disuss the implication of the above answer by SwAmi dESikan. Wherever either " in " or " out " of some entity exists , Lord is there. Whenever either " in " or " out " of some entity can't be defined (ie.non existent) the question of Lord's presence out there does not arise at all. This will clarify the meanings of " antarvyApti " and " bahirvyApti " . The question whether the color of the horn of a rabbit is either brown or white does not arise since rabbit does not have a horn in the first hand. Similarly, when there is nothing called " inside " of a jIvAtma , the question as to whether PerumAL is inside it does not arise at all. kAlA exists everywhere - both at material and Spiritual world. So, there is nothing outside of kAlA. So, ParamAtma is not physically present either inside a jIvAtma Or Outside kAla. He exists alongwith them. This is how the antarvyApti and bahirvyApti of such entities has to be understood. -------------------- In the Moolamantra adhikAram of SrImad Rahasya Traya SAram, SwAmi DESikan " defines " antarvyApti and " bahirvyApti " , while discussing the meaning of the word " nArAyaNa " . " antarvyApti-yAvadu -- ivaiyuLLa idatthil tannai illaiyenna - voNNAdapadi kalandu niRkai. bahirvyApti-yAvadu -- ivai illAda idatthilum yengum thAn vuLanAgai " . ie. antarvyApti (Immanence) = Being inseparably present with other things/beings, such that it can not be said that Lord is not present where they are (=> Lord always being present wherever they are). BahirvyApti (Transcendence) = Being present in those places where they are not present. SwAmi DESikan then clarifies the VishNu purANam verse (1.9.41) " nArAyaNamanIyAmsam aSEshANAmanIyAmsAm ... " that it does not mean nArAyaNa as being smaller than the aNu jIvAtma in size. SwAmi DESikan refers to the Sruti vAkya (ChAndOgya Up - SAndilya Vidya) which is ascertained in Brahma-SUtra and SrIBhAshya to mean that Brahman being smaller in size than the " grain " implies that it is of the size of the upAdhi (conditioning factor) viz.grain (in this context). UttamUr SwAmi comments in a good amount of detail on these original texts of SwAmi DESikan. aDIyEn will take up that explanation in a separate posting (probably within this week if more free time is around). ----------------------------- Clarifications on couple of verses of NammAzhwar's ThiruvAimozhi : < At the outset, it may seem as though NammAzhwAr is expressing the theory that ParamAtma is inside a jIvAtma > 1. " parantataN paravaiyuL........ karanthu yengum parantuLan ivai yunda karanE " (1.1.10) Please go through PiLLAn's commentary. He says about the " vyApti " of yemperumAn (Lord) ie. PerumAL's vyApti is present in minute particles (achits/ insentients) and also in chits. UttamUr swAmi in his commentary, asks this question particularly ie.regarding vyApti and as to whats antarvyApti and bahirvyApti is all about. In this pAsuram, yemperumAn is said to be " karantu parantuLan " ie. " maRaintu Sambandappattu irukkirAn " . UttamUr swAmi explains as to how time and dharmabhUta jn~yAnam of PerumAL being vibhu, does not have anything outside it and thus PerumAL can't be " outside " them logically. Infact, swAmi adds that time does not have " inside " also since it is partless (niravaya). If one understands that antarvyApti to be " inside " an entity and " bahir vyApti " to be " outside " an entity, then time can't have both antarvyApti and bahirvyApti. antarvyApti for an entity can also mean the united presence of yemperumAn, everywhere that entity exists. " abhinava dESikan " UttamUr swAmi has explained this pAsuram, following SwAmi DESikan's clarifications. UttamUr SwAmi explains beautifully as to how " idam thigazh poruL tharum " in this pAsuram explains the antarvyApti of yemperumAn in such a way as explained above. Just as how the sambandha (relation / union) of the " aNu " jIvAtma with the paramANu(*) of achEtanas, the same sambandha exists between ParamAtma and jIvAtma. The " idam " in the pAsuram refers to those tiny places where jIvAtma is present with paramANus (evident from other lines in the pAsuram). Thus, it is not that ParamAtma is inside jIvAtma. UttamUr SwAmi explains as to how the usage of word " thigazh " carries more significance : It refers to prakAsatvam (manifestation). jIvAtma manifests to itself, without any external aid ie. the feeling of " I " always exists for a jIvAtma. If jIvAtma has to have parts (Or split by some means), then that feeling can't be a single I, but as a union of many parts. The feeling of " I " by itself signifies as to how jIvAtma is partless. UttamUr SwAmi says that, this word " thigazh " dispels the question as to whether jIvAtma and achEtana aNu(s) have internal parts. Please refer to UttamUr SwAmi's commentary for more detailed information. (*) : ParamANu is the fundamental unit of prakruti which is partless. jIvAtma and ParamAtma does not reside inside this ParamANu, since by definition it has no internal parts. The ParamANu of NayyAyikAs (Logicians of NyAya-VaiSESika SAstra), which is a nitya padArtha for them and the upAdAna-kAraNam of Jagat for them, is not accepteble to VEdAntins. What they call as " TriaNuka " (Triad) is the " ParamANu " Or simply " aNu " for VEdAntins (Ref: SrI BhAshyam). 2. " aDiyEn uLLAn udal uLLAn ...... " (8.8.2) yeedu : " IraNdAm pAttu. yennudaya hrudayattilE pugunthirunda aLavandRikkE, yen SarIrattilEyum pugunthu kalandAn yengiRAr " . Thus, NampiLLai explains that, by this pAsuram, NammAzhwar says " Not only having entered my heart, He (Lord) has also entered and mingled in my body " . So, this might convey the meaning that " aDiyEn uLLAn " refers to " Present in my heart " , rather than " Present inside myself the jIvAtma " . Also, after narrating the anectode wherein the esoteric significance of the word " aDiyEn " was explained by ThirukkOshtuyUr Nambi to KUratAzhwAn, NambiLLai says : " yennuLLAn yennavENdum idatthilE aDiyEnuLLAn yengaiyAlE jn~yAna-aanandangaL anRu vastuvukku nirUpagam; sEshatvamengai. jn~yAna-aanandangaLilum antarangam bhagavad sEshatvamengai " ie. " By using 'aDiyEnuLLAn' (ie. in 'aDiyEn') instead of " yennuLLAn " (ie. in me), it is meant that jn~yAna, aananda etc are not the primary identifiers of a jIvAtma. Its only sEshatvam (to ParamAtma) ie. Bhagavad SEshatvam of a jIvAtma is more important than jn~yAna, aananda etc which identify a jIvAtma " . In this very pAsuram, AzhwAr says " kadisEr nARRatthuL .... " . nARRatthuL implies " inside smell (vAsanai) " . Note: nARRam in tamil implies " Smell " and not " Bad Smell " . In chaste tamil, only if the prefix " dur " is added, will that word viz. durnARRam mean " bad smell " . NampiLLai clarifies : " nARRatthuL yenRArEnum, vAsanaikku uLLum puRambum illAmaiyAlE nARRatthilE yenRu koLga " ie. " Though said 'inside smell', since inside and outside for smell does not exist, it has to be taken as " in smell " . In a similar fashion, since there is no " inside " for a jIvAtma, the purport of pramAnas on antarvyApti of ParamAtma w.r.t. jIvAtma has to be appropriately understood. aDiyEn will post the next (final) article on this issue after sometime. aDiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan, anantapadmanAbhan. krishNArpaNam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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