Guest guest Posted March 20, 2001 Report Share Posted March 20, 2001 Dear members: I have done a little " aNil sEvai " here by reformatting the text so it is readable. This should make it easier for all of us to go through this very detailed and knowledgeable article by Sri. Hari. ======================================= Anand K Karalapakkam wrote: SrI: SrImatE rAmAnujAya namaH Dear all, SrI Hari has written a quite elaborate article on this issue and its connection with many allied aspects. Its an excellent one {as usual} providing many pramANas and arguments carefully following the originals. This article {and his other ones as well} shows the good knowledge he has in VEdAnta granthas and he must have taken a good slice of his valuable time to prepare this. Please don't miss reading this in entirety ... ======================================== Your question regarding the muktha-jeevAthma's state with reference to his remembrance of past karma etc is very interesting. I answer briefly as follows. But before that, let me present certain points, which discusses the nature of mOksham, nitya-vibhUthi, prApya-sthAna-viSEsham & pari-pUrNa-brahmAnubhavam. Of the prakaraNa granthams (nyAya-pariSudhdi, nyAya sidhdAnjanam, & thathva-mukthA-kalApam) for VedAntha Sastra, the SrI nyAya-sidhdAnjanam of SrIman nigamAntha mahA dESika swAmi states that " mOksha: sa cha nirdu:kha-nirathiSayAnanda-rUpa- bhagavath-anubhavAthmaka ithi sidhdam " . mOksha is free from all sorrows, and enjoys the infinite bliss-form Brahman eternally. SrIman NarAyaNa: is denoted by the Brahma-Sabdam. muktha enjoys the entire swarUpa- rUpa-guNa-vibhUthis of Brahman and this is referred to as pari-pUrNa-brahmAnubhavam. The mukta jeevan is declared to be in the nitya-vibhUthi SrI VaikuNta parama padam triguNa-dravya-vyathirikthathvE sathi sathvathvam, swayam prakASathvE sathi sathvathvam, thamOrahithathvE sathi sathvathvam, niSSEshAvidyanivruththidESa- vijAtheeyAnyathvam ithyAdi tallakshaNam; refer the Sruthis " AadithyavarNam tamasa: parasthAth " , " thEha nAkam " , " kshayanthamasya rajasa: parAke " , " yO asyAdhyaksha: paramE vyOman " , " thadaksharE paramE vyOman " , " sahasra-sthUNE vimithE druDa ugrE " , " thadvishNO: paramam padam sadA paSyanthi sUraya: " . The muktha jeevAthma experiences (enjoys) the bhagavath swarUpam, which is sathyathva- nyAnathva- ananthathva- Anandathva- amalathva- swarUpa- nirUpaka- dharma- viSishtam, swEthara-samastha-vasthu vilakshaNam. The muktha jeevAthma also enjoys the bhagavath-rUpam (divya-mangaLa-vigraham) which is different from that of bhagavath swarUpam. Refer " kimAthmikaishA bhagavathO vyakthi: " ithi praSnE, " yadAthmakO bhagavAn " ithi cha sAmAnyatha uththarE kruthE, puna: " kimAthmakO bhagavAn " ithi praSnE " jgnyAnAthmaka: " ithyaddyutharamuktham | athO divya-mangaLa-vigrahasya jgnyAnAthmakathvAth thadravyAthmikAyA: sarvasyA nitya-vibhUthE: jgnyAnAthmakathvamuchitham " . The muktha jeevAthma enjoys the infinite kalyANa guNas (divine attributes) of Brahman and the vibhUthi iswaryams of Brahman. The muktha jeevAthma being sarvagnya: (like the Lord) gets to know the Seshi's (SrIman NarAyaNa's) wishes (tiru-uLLam) and under the sankalpam of Brahman, takes various Sudhda-satva-forms (rUpams) and serves SrIman NarAyaNa: at SrI VaikuNtam. This service is considered as 'overflow " (parivAham) of bhagavath-anubhavam as absolute expression of the muktha-jeevAthma's nature which his athyantha pAratantriya viSishta ananyArha-nirupAdika Seshathvam. The muktha-jeevAthma can also be in pari-pUNa -brahmAnubhavam without taking a divine form. The state of muthka-jeevans is clear from the following SrI sUkti present in the thathva-traya-chintanAdhikAram (5th chapter) of SrImath rahasyatraya sAram (swAmi nigamAntha mahA dESika) " muktharukku neengiyuLLaril bhEdam, prathi-bandhaka nivrutjthiyAlE AavirbhUtha-swarUparAiyurukkai. Sthithi- bhEdam pUrva-avadhiuNdAna AavirbhAvaththukku uththarAvadhiinRikkEyirukkai. IvargaLukku anyOnyam sthithi-bhEdam AavirbhAvaththil muRpAdupiRpAdugaLAl uNDAna munbuRRa EtRRachcurukkam; pravruthi-bhEdam anAdi-kAlam izhanthu petRRa pari-pUrNa-bhagavatanubhava -janitha preethi-kArithamAna yathAbhimatha kainkarya viSEshangaL.... " The qualities like apahatha-pApmathvam, sarvagnyathvam are in muktha-jeevAthma. The sarva-viSishta jgnyAna-iswaryAdi -viSishta bhagavath prApthi for muktha-jeevan is clearly mentioned by the Sruthis " sarvam ha paSya: paSyathi sarvamApnOthi sarvaSa: " . The well known Ananda mImAmsa declares the manushya- Anandam as " pruthvyAdi vibhUthi viSishtAnubhavam " and it proceeds to multiply this several times and declares " Eka brahmANda-vibhUthi-viSishta " chaturmukha brahmA's Aanandam. But finally, it ends up that the incalculable parama-Aananda-maya: is anantha-brahmANDAdi prAkrutha aprAkrutha sarva-viSishta para-brahma-bhUtha: purushOthama: SrIman NarAyaNa:. Further, " sarvEshu lOkEshu kAmacharO bhavathi " , " kAmAnnee kAmarUpee anusaNcharan " declares that everything is bhOgyam and sarva-viSishta brahman is niratiSaya -sukha-rUpa for muktha -jeevan and therefore, there is nothing that exists which is not a sub-set of the " sarva " Sabdam in these Sruthi verses. Now the answer for your question is explicitly given as follows: The bhUma-vidyA states that " yO vai bhUmA thath sukham yathra nAnyath paSyathi nAnyath SruNOthi nAnyath vijAnAthi sa bhUmA " . " The bhUmA is the greatest. It pervades everywhere and is sarva-viSishtam. It is bliss-self and thus everything. He who enjoys this, never sees other things… " This seems to praise bhagavath-anubhavam by criticizing the lower bliss nature of swarga etc that the muktha jeevan will not care for swarga etc. But, as sarva-viSishta-brahman is declared as parama-bhOgya-vasthu for the muktha-jeevan, everything is bhOgyam and everything is known for the muktha-jeevan. But a contradiction arises here - " paramAthmani yO rakta: viraktO-aparamAthmani " - " he who is fully devoted towards paramAthma though being in prAkrutha lOkam itself, has vairAgyam on mundane things " ; when such is the case, when the badhda-jeevan becomes muktha-jeevan, should we consider the leelA-vibhUthi as " bhOgyam " ? Should it not be considered " tyAjyam " for him instead? Yes. But as everything is prApyam, everything is declared as " padam " . But the parama-padam's mukyArtham is paramAthma-swarUpam. The anubhavam of paramAthma-swarUpam is possible only at SrI VaikuNta aprAkrutha divya lOkam; therefore, it is also called parama-padam. The muktha-jeevAthma swarUpam is also parama -padam because, its distinctness (vailakshaNyam) eternally exists in mukthi also and only having attained/cognized it in its absolute pristine form, the muktha-jeevan can do pramAthma-swarUpa- anubhavam. Though the prakruthi (prAkrutha lOkam) cannot be called as parama-padam, has " AnukUlyam " (favorable) for muktha-jeevan and therefore, it is also called " padam " . That is, the prakruthi (leelA vibhUthi) which once had prAthikUlyam (unfavorable nature when the jeevan was badhda: in it) now has AnukUlyam (when the jeevan is muktha:). Here, one must carefully comprehend the AnukUlyam of leelA vibhUthi for muktha jeevan. This never means that the existence in leela vibhUthi as badhda jeevan is bliss-form. But this just conveys that when the sole owner (sarva-Seshi SrIman NarAyaNa:) of the leelA vibhUthi himself is now fully AnukUla: for muktha jeevan, the leelA vibhUthi which is fully under the control of the sole owner (sarva-Seshi SrIman NarAyaNa:) is not going to affect the muktha-jeevan and as it is for the leelA rasam of bhagavAn, it is bhOgyam for the muktha jeevan also. Several examples are cited in SRTS to explain this with pUrva-paksha-nirasanam. SwAmi NamAlwAr (SrI SaThakOpa's) Tiru-vAimOzhi 4-8 ErALUm irayOnum is also cited here. The muktha-jeevan will surely be having knowledge about his past karma etc during his period when he was a badhda jeevAthma. His sarvagnyathvam is clearly established in the Brahma sUtras as explained by SrI Anand K Karalapakkam which I refer here below: <<Quote begin>> ------------------- In the abhAvAdhikaraNam (4.4.5), the last SUtra is " svApyayasampattyOranyatarApEkshamAvishkrutam " ie. << It has reference only to either deep sleep Or state of death, as explained in the context >>. As explained by Bhagavad RAmAnuja (BR) this sUtra answers the PUrvapakshin <Objector> who from the Br.Up text " PrAjn~EnA- AtmanA samparishvaktO na bAhyam ki~nchana vEda nAntaram " (6.3.21) <*>, claims that when a jIvAtma attains union reaches Bramhan, it loses all the knowledge of inside and outside ; Hence a mukta can't be a sarvajn~a {all-knower}<*> : JIvAtma embraced by the all-knowing Aatma does not know what is inside and outside. The SUtra states that by the context, it will not apply to a mukta's union with ParamAtma <refer above>. In SrI-BhAshya, BR states " ....muktasya cha sarvajn~atvam- Avishkrutam hi srutayaH " <ie. Sruti itself states the sarvajn~atvam of a mukta> and quotes few texts from Ch.Up to substantiate it. A notable sentence is " tathA 'sarvam ha paSyaH sarvamApnOti sarvaSaH' iti cha spashTamEva sarvajn~atvamuccyatE " , ie. Through the text " The one who sees this sees everything; obtains everything everywhere <Ch.Up. 7.26.2> " sarvajn~atvam <for a mukta> is very clearly spoken of/established. The above is only about mukta's " capacity " . But a mukta will not think about the trivial issues like his past etc and will be immersed in Bhagavad-anubhavam and its overflow viz.service. This is my strong feeling and I think that it follows logically from other pramANas on the BramhAnubhavam. I have also confirmed this during my kAlakshEpam few months back. ---------------------- <<Quote End>> I acknowledge the above words of SrI Anand K Karalapakkam. I feel that as prakruthi is also termed " anukUlam " for the muktha- jeevan and called as " padam " , I feel that the muktha jeevan's knowledge about his own past karmas (when he was badhda) will be cognized absolutely as mere sport in bhagavath-leela. This realization by muktha-jeevan will be absolute and SrI Anand K Karalapakkam's explanation " But a mukta will not think about the trivial issues like his past etc and will be immersed in Bhagavad -anubhavam and its overflow viz.service " is comprehended. I feel that only when the jeevan becomes sarvagnya (ie., on mukthi), he can recognize that he was bound by anAdhi-karma-prathi- bandaka-vargams. But he will not care for that. This comprehension of anAdhi-karma is not possible in the badhda-daSa. The Smrutis also support this that the badhda jeeva cannot recollect his past births & get to know his load of karma fully " thAnyaham vEda sarvANi na tvam vEttha parnthapa " <<Quote Begin>> (by SrI Anand K Karalapakkam) The Sruthi says 1. " sa tatra paryEti jakshat krIDan ramamANaH sthrIbhirvA yAnairvA jn~AtibhirvA " <Ch.Up 8.12.3> ie. There he <mukta> enjoys Him all around; he eats, he enjoys <as per his wishes>, he sports with women, vehicles (chariots) or cousins. 2. " sa yadi pitrulOka-kAmO bhavati sa~nkalpAdEvAsya pitaraH samuttishThanti " <Ch.Up. 8.2.1> ie. If he <mukta> has the desire for the world of fathers, by his will alone fathers rise up before him. In the Sa~nkalpadhikaraNam (4.4.4) the first sUtra states that by his will alone, his desires gets fulfilled and nothing obstructs it. {Note: Mukta's sa~nkalpa will never be against the wishes of ParamAtma because of its complete realization/knowledge}. >From the next sUtra we understand that he is " free " and not subject to VEdic injunctions {say, observance of VarNAshrama dharma etc} and hence he is capable of doing what he desires to. There is no need of any external effort other than his will. But, mukta's play with women, enjoyment of the chariots etc Or creation of fathers etc are not for his own pleasure; It has the chief aim to produce happiness to BhagavAn. Its not of course a result of lust as in the case of a baddha jIva. In the abhAvAdhikaraNam (next one; 4.4.5) by the first three sUtras, the siddhAnta that a mukta can either choose to have a divine body Or can be without it also, is established. The next two sUtras are regarding the creator of such divine bodies taken by muktas. From the first sUtra, we get to know that a mukta who has no body and senses made by himself, can enjoy the things created by ParamAtma Himself, as in the case of dream state. ParamAtma can provide bodies to mukta. Due to the leelA-rasam of BhagavAn, He can make muktas enjoy the pitru -lOkas created by His leela and the mukta with the body provided by BhagavAn enjoys His leela-rasa and performs bhagavad-anubhavam. The next SUtra " BhAvE JAgrAtvat " states that, with the possesion of a body also, a mukta can enjoy as it is done in the waking state. BR comments {SrI-BhAshya + VEdAnta Deepa} that sometimes, a mukta creates body by his will and can even incarnate to have father,mother etc as BhagavAn did by His will in His avatAras like that of RAma and KrishNa. In this case also, mukta enjoys the leelA-rasam of PerumAL with the inherent Bhagavad-anubhavam. BhagavAn can also make the mukta to have fathers etc directly by His will. In SrI-VaikuNTham also, muktas can live as families with various relationships like father,mother, wife,husband,children etc - all by the mutual understanding of various muktas for the pleasure of SrIman-NArAyaNa. The life out there is quite dynamic indeed !! -------------------- <<Quote End>> The viSEshArthams mentioned by swAmi abhinava dESika regarding these points cannot be missed at any cost. Especially swAmi abhinava dESika has beautifully explained the SRTS words " mukthanAna piRagu " (chapter 22, sAra vistAram). I request you to kindly read these points in the light of SrImath UttamUr swAmi's explanation for more details. The sUtra " anAvruthi: SabdAth anAvruthi: SabdAth " clearly explains the Sruthis ( " EthEna prathipadyamAnA: imam mAnavamAvarththam nAvarthanthE<*> " , " sakalvEvam varththayan yAvadAyusham brahma-lOkamapi sampadyathE na cha punarAvarthathE " ) & smruthies ( " mAmupEthya punar janma… " , " Abrahma buvanAnlOkA:… " , " idam jgnyAnam upASrithya… " ) which clearly declares that the mukthajeevAthma never returns to the prAkrutha lOka. The SrI BhAshya text for this sUtra has clearly explained this negating various reasons for punar-Avruthi: (return). <*> imam mAnavamAvartham is having the " imam " Sabdam which is uplakshaNam for all such material worlds. Therefore, the Sruthi is clear that as the muktha is " sarva-karma-vinirmuktha: " and having sAmyam with BhagavAn in bhOgam, he has no karmAdhina-punar-Avruthi. At this point, the following SrI sUkthi from pari-pUrNa- brahmAnubhavAdhikAram may be considered where swAmi has presented a criticism on mAdva (dvaita) school regarding their mOksha-tAratamyam (difference in the Anandam between muktas) " Agayal mumukshu daSayil sowpAdhi(n)gaLAna uthkarsha-upakarshangaLaik koNdu muktha-daSayilum anubhava-thAratamyam uNdEnanRa AanandathrIrthIyar muktharukkellAm sarvEswaranOde paramasAmyam sollugiRa SruthyAdigaLai maRandArgaL " . These " SruthyAdigaLai " are " niranjana: paramam sAmyamupaithi " , " sarvE ha paSya: paSyathi sarvamApnOthi sarvaSa: " , " sa EkO brahmaNa Aananda: SrOthriyasya chAkAmahathasya " . The smruthis in this context says " mama sAdharmyam AgathaA: " , " bhOgamAthra sAmya lingAncha " , " jagath vyApAra varjam " . Therefore, the mAdhva paksham of mOksha-tAratamyam is against the Sastra's purport of sAmyam. The mAdhva paksham is refuted by these Srutis. The mAdhva-paksham does not explain these Sruthis which declares parama sAmyam for mukta jeevan with paramAthma. About the vyavahArika daSa mOksham concept SrI Adi Sankara:, the term " vyavahArika " used imparts the meaning that there is no point in discussing that as it is not a reality in advaita. About the pAramArthika paksham of advaita, the nivarthakAnupapaththi and nivruthi-anupapathithi may be studied for clear understanding of refuting the advaita-sidhdi. As per ViSishtAdvaitam, the moksham, which the muktha attains is clearly explained as follows. The sAlOkya, sArUpya and sAmipya are not considered without sAyujyam. SAyujyam generally means " having the object of attainment as samAna; " sayuk " Now the Sruthi verse " brahmaiva bhavathi " is considered and the pUrva-paksham (opponent view) " brahma-ikyam (numerical oneness (identity) of jeeva-brahma in mOksham) " as purport of " sAyujya " Sabdam is considered and refuted as follows: First of all, as sAlOka etc are told before sAyujya, one should not take sAlOka etc equal to sAyujya. Yuk denotes the guNa-yOgam and samAna guNakam sayuk explains this. But in the case of " dvA suparNA sayujA sakhAyA " Sruthi, the jeevAvAthma denoted is badhda: and therefore, here in this case, the brahma-samAna-bhOgam is not the thAthparyam for the jeevAthma. " sayujA " padam is just to confirm that two AtmAs are inside the body of which one is the badhda jeevAthma and the other is the supreme paramAthma who is untouched by all impurities and having infinite divine attributes. But in the case of muktha-Atma, the sAyujam denotes the fact that the guNams like apahathapApmathvam etc are samAnam for brahman and muktha-jeevAthmA. Therefore in the prayOgams like " sAyujyam SArshTithAm ApnOthi " , a subtle difference in the meaning of the terms " sAyujyam " & " SArshTithA " has to be understood. SAyujyam denotes " samAna yukthvam " " samAna bhOgyakathvam " having tAthparyam in bhOga sAmyam while " SArshTithA " denotes " samAna prApthikathvam " " samAna bOgakathvam " . This negates the punarukti in these two Sabdams when used in the prayOgam as quoted above. But " samAna vyApArakathvam " is not present in the sAyujyam's meaning (jagath vyApAra varjam…). Also, absence of " samAna vyApArakathvam " in muktha's sAyujyam does not appear as a shortcoming because the muktha never thinks to have " samAna vyApArakathvam " as he has sarvagnyathvam which clearly recognizes Sriya: pathi: alone as jagath kAraNa bhUtha:. But he gets bhOga sAmyam as told already in the jagath vyApAram done only by BhagavAn (bhOga mAtra sAmya lingAncha…). Regarding the river joining sea etc: Neither by rUdi nor by yOgam, the sAyujyam can mean " jeeva-brahma-Iykyam " (numerical oneness/identity) in mOksham. " Iykyam " (numerical oneness/identity) is against the Sruthi. The kaTOpanishad says " yathOdakam SudhdE SudhdamAsiktham… AathmA bhavathi gowthama " - " Just like pristine water joining pristine water " example is considered here. Here this example never has thAthparyam in the iykyam because even when the two waters mix, as the volume increases, iykyam is simply negated by the Sruthi! Then what is the meaning behind quoting this example? This only denotes the inseparable guNa-bhOga sAmyam as explained in the sAyujya padam and sArshtithA padam. The smruthies also explain this clearly. The verse " brahmaiva bhavathi " is also explained like " rAma sugreevayOraikyam " . Therefore the bhEdam (difference) between paramAthmA and muktha-jeevAthma is clearly explained in the Sruthi. Thanks & Regards adiyEn M.S.HARI rAmAnuja dAsan (mshari) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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