Guest guest Posted April 10, 2001 Report Share Posted April 10, 2001 SrI: SrI Lakshminrusimha ParabrahmaNE namaH SrImatE rAmAnujAya namaH SrImatE nigamAnta mahAdESikAya namaH SrImatE nArAyaNa yateendra mahAdESikAya namaH namO nArAyaNa! Dear bhaktas, Recently, SrI Dileepan mentioned about the unfortunate happenings that took place at SrI-Ra~ngam. aDiyEn would like to let you all know in short as to what happened, after hearing from a Prapanna who was very much at SrI-Ra~ngam and well aware of these things. Everyone knows that the RAjagOpuram with 13 tiers (Or 12 ?) was built by SrImad MukkUr Azhagiyasi~ngar (SMA), the donation for which ranged from SrImad PaRavAkOttai ANdavan to Sa~nkarAchArya to Music-Composer ILayarAja. SMA with his broad mind let the gOpuram have a the~nkalai thirumaN in the bottom-most tier and never insisted that VaDakalai thirumaN be present in it. It was well agreed upon by all to abide by that generous attitude of Azhagiasi~ngar. The matter about RAjagOpuram was hence finalized and closed as to how it should be in the future; and was implemented so. Recently, a well-sized the~nkalai thirumaN in the middle tier {6th Or 7th} was placed with all attractive Neon Lights etc, so that the thirumaN would be visible to far-off places also. When the current SrImad Azhagiyasi~ngar {camped at SrIra~ngam esp for SrI PaRavAkOttai ANDavan's SatAbhishEkam} saw this recent addition over the RAjagOpuram, Jeeyar asked the E.O. to make the RAjagOpuram be maintained the way SMA {one who built it} wished and which was agreed by all that time too and not introduce any new changes in it by way of placing that another the~nkalai thirumaN. When this was made known to the~nkalai authorities, it made a beginning for huge protests by the the~nkalais. Four the~nkalai JIyars viz.of SrIra~ngam,SrI-villiputtUr,SrI-PerumpudUr and probably ThirukOvilUr {couldn't remember the last JIyar} headed a grand protest walking through the streets of SrI-ra~ngam with lots of the~nkalais behind them, together shouting many slogans {ofcourse some unpalatable ones too}. The vaDakalai thirumaNs on the forehead of two PerumAL statues on the vimAnam of SwAmi DESikan sannidhi were changed to the~nkalai. A prominent the~nkalai thirumaN has been put outside SwAmi DESikan Sannidhi {Earlier such a thirumaN was there it seems}. Some the~nkalais participated in SA(t)RRumuRai at SwAmi DESikan Sannidhi and recited SrI ManavALa-MAmuni's UpadEsa Ratna-mAlai with the vaDakalais out there simply watching them. SrI ThirukkOshtiyUr MAdhavan has been reported to be involved in a high-level {ie.headed} for such incidents esp at SwAmi DESikan Sannidhi. He is a staunch the~nkalai and has been in the good books of Azhagiyasi~ngar and was entrusted with the samprOkshanam of SwAmi DESikan sannidhi opp to ThAyAr Sannidhi, belonging to SrI Ahobila Muth. Not leaving at these things, during the mid-night many the~nkalais as a gang made the board(s) of SrI PounDarikapuram ANDavan Ashramam be painted with the~nkalai thirumaN {which came to the notice next morning when the aashramam devotees saw it} and damaged the vehicles etc belonging to those had come for SrImad ANDavan's SatAbhishEkam / stay at SrI-Abhobila Muth etc. This has caused a big stir .....Life at SrI-ra~ngam is no more the way it was. This would have planted deep-rooted bitter feelings in the heart of vaDakalais - from children to the elderly and the the~nkalai families too would have magnified their feelings against the vaDakalais through the slogans etc of the street protests. By the way, some of the~nkalai JIyars who headed such outright street protests were part of the Yati-SammElam which has been widely talked about. The write-up from SrI AnantanarasimhAchArya SwAmi on the celebrations including these incidents will be sent soon to Singapore as aDiyEn heard. We can know much more dimensions of the incidents from that write-up. aDiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan, anantapadmanAbhan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2001 Report Share Posted April 10, 2001 namO nArAyaNa. It is often said that indifference is worse than hatred, but obviously in this case the former would be better. One wonders whether such incidents (and innumerable undocumented ones in past years) could qualify the followers of swami desikar sampradayam as a persecuted minority (no joke). The only defence against chavunism and brute force of numbers is Governmental intervention. Of course in India (particularly in Tamil Nadu) one can only dream of such a thing - since the entire Srivaishnava population (let alone one single kalai) wouldn't make for any vote bank. While India's constitution assures every religious group the freedom of worship and protection from brute domination - even that cannot resolve this matter since Srivaishnavas, smarthas, brahmins and everyone else that is not moslem or christian are lumped under the broad definition of hinduism. Litigation too, has proved futile (as in the unfortunate kanchi elephant and other such cases). So as one member pointed out - only PerumaL can redeem the situation through the birth of another Srivaishnava mahAn who will enjoy the collective loyalty of the entire community, and be able to consolidate the teachings of all poorvacharyas under the banner of Sri Ramanuja siddhantam.... alongwith of course, a commonly accepted oordhva pundram!! Until that happens (whether it is during my lifetime or later), adiyEn will do his best to support the remaining institutions and kovils that follow swami desikar sampradayam. I would rather be biased - than be " broad-minded " in catering to the so-called " common interests " of those who commit vandalism and violence in the name of ramanujar. -Srinath C. Anand K Karalapakkam wrote: > JIyars viz.of SrIra~ngam,SrI-villiputtUr,SrI-PerumpudUr and > probably ThirukOvilUr {couldn't remember the last JIyar} headed > a grand protest walking through the streets of SrI-ra~ngam with lots > of the~nkalais behind them, together shouting many slogans {ofcourse > some unpalatable ones too}. The vaDakalai thirumaNs > on the forehead of two PerumAL statues on the vimAnam of > SwAmi DESikan sannidhi were changed to the~nkalai. A prominent > the~nkalai thirumaN has been put outside SwAmi DESikan > Sannidhi {Earlier such a thirumaN was there it seems}. Some > the~nkalais participated in SA(t)RRumuRai at SwAmi DESikan > Sannidhi and recited SrI ManavALa-MAmuni's UpadEsa > Ratna-mAlai with the vaDakalais out there simply watching them. > Not leaving at these things, during the mid-night many the~nkalais > as a gang made the board(s) of SrI PounDarikapuram ANDavan > Ashramam be painted with the~nkalai thirumaN {which came to the > notice next morning when the aashramam devotees saw it} and > damaged the vehicles etc belonging to those had come for > SrImad ANDavan's SatAbhishEkam / stay at SrI-Abhobila Muth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2001 Report Share Posted April 10, 2001 Dear Srinath and Others: In Adiyen's opinion, the situation is not as hopeless as it seems. My experience in temple matters (limited as they are) shows that to make progress - inner progress - things like Gayatri Japam, Bhaghavat Aradhanam at home, AhAra Niyamanam etc., are more important than worrying about what goes on in the temples. To be involved in temple affairs requires a different kind of personality and I have seen Thenkalais are more suited for that. Having said that, how does the current situation with regard to temples look like. Our Divya Desams may not accord due respects to Vedanta Desika's contributions. They may not recognize that both Desika Sampradayam and Manavala Mamunigal sampradayam are like two eyes of Ramanujacharya's siddhantam. But look at the internet. Look at the Websites. They are all flooded with Vedanta Desika literature. Talk to smarthas. Talk to scholars of other schools. There is no doubt in my mind that Vedanta Desika is a highly reverred achAryA outside of His own Vadakalai circles. He strode the philosophical scene like a colossus and that impression still carries. Now with regard to temples built in recent years, the developments are very encouraging. Vaishnava temples coming up in metropolitan towns in India have a strong Desika presence. Temples in America have Desika Sattrumurai almost universally accepted. Temples in America have gone one step further, as they try to unite the two kalais. This unity is important for several reasons. (1) the small number of people in each town (2) to counter smArtA influence that goes to dilute Sri Vaishnava standards (like bringing Ganapati worship etc.,) (3) basically we are educated enough to understand and appreciate the 95% of common things that we share and (4) A great increase in the number of inter-kalai marriages. However, I am only worried about one thing. Our magnanimity and openness to accommodate both kalais should be cautiously guarded with vigilance. The priests (who still carry the old baggage) have greatly damaged the balance between the two kalais in the Pittsburgh temple. People there are hesitant to correct it as they do not want to get into kalai fights. Having heard its history, it appears that the Pittsburgh temple very much started like the Sri Ranganatha temple and it has indeed deviated from its original Charter. I think we should not let these thing happen in other temples. Finally, our focus should be the future. For every divya desam, let there be one parallel Divya Desam in America and other major towns of India that is dedicated to Desika and with an all inclusive spirit. Let us work towards that goal. EmperumAn will leave the original Divya desams and come to places where there is love and a spirit of accommodation. Thanks. Thirumalai Nallan Chakravarthy family S. Vijayaraghavan Buffalo, NY _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2001 Report Share Posted April 10, 2001 Dear Srinath and Others: In Adiyen's opinion, the situation is not as hopeless as it seems. My experience in temple matters (limited as they are) shows that to make progress - inner progress - things like Gayatri Japam, Bhaghavat Aradhanam at home, AhAra Niyamanam etc., are more important than worrying about what goes on in the temples. To be involved in temple affairs requires a different kind of personality and I have seen Thenkalais are more suited for that. Having said that, how does the current situation with regard to temples look like. Our Divya Desams may not accord due respects to Vedanta Desika's contributions. They may not recognize that both Desika Sampradayam and Manavala Mamunigal sampradayam are like two eyes of Ramanujacharya's siddhantam. But look at the internet. Look at the Websites. They are all flooded with Vedanta Desika literature. Talk to smarthas. Talk to scholars of other schools. There is no doubt in my mind that Vedanta Desika is a highly reverred achAryA outside of His own Vadakalai circles. He strode the philosophical scene like a colossus and that impression still carries. Now with regard to temples built in recent years, the developments are very encouraging. Vaishnava temples coming up in metropolitan towns in India have a strong Desika presence. Temples in America have Desika Sattrumurai almost universally accepted. Temples in America have gone one step further, as they try to unite the two kalais. This unity is important for several reasons. (1) the small number of people in each town (2) to counter smArtA influence that goes to dilute Sri Vaishnava standards (like bringing Ganapati worship etc.,) (3) basically we are educated enough to understand and appreciate the 95% of common things that we share and (4) A great increase in the number of inter-kalai marriages. However, I am only worried about one thing. Our magnanimity and openness to accommodate both kalais should be cautiously guarded with vigilance. The priests (who still carry the old baggage) have greatly damaged the balance between the two kalais in the Pittsburgh temple. People there are hesitant to correct it as they do not want to get into kalai fights. Having heard its history, it appears that the Pittsburgh temple very much started like the Sri Ranganatha temple and it has indeed deviated from its original Charter. I think we should not let these thing happen in other temples. Finally, our focus should be the future. For every divya desam, let there be one parallel Divya Desam in America and other major towns of India that is dedicated to Desika and with an all inclusive spirit. Let us work towards that goal. EmperumAn will leave the original Divya desams and come to places where there is love and a spirit of accommodation. Thanks. Thirumalai Nallan Chakravarthy family S. Vijayaraghavan Buffalo, NY _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2001 Report Share Posted April 10, 2001 Dear friends: These kalai feelings have created more emotional outburst than what the event warrants. Srirangam had seen several incidents like this before and survived. This is nothing compared to what Periya Azhagiyasinger had to face while building the rAyagOpuram. The hostile reception Periya Azhagiyasinger faced in Azhwar Thirunagari cannot be written in words. There are extremists who would use any opportunity to take the issues to the streets. But there are thenkalais as good or even better than, can I say, me. Swamy Desikan is in their AchArya paramparai too. Some SriMatam followers accept SashtaParAngusaMuni was a thenkalai. There are small temples inside Srirangam temple following vadakalai sampradAyam besides uLDesikan sannidhi. " Periya PerumAl thiru-ArAdanam kandu-aruluvadu vadakalai archakar moolyamAha-thAnE " . Some of us say that Periya Jeer received kAshAyam from AdivanSatakopa Yathindra Mahadesikan. Could we follow inclusive attitude between kalais while criticizing individual incidents. Dr. K. P. Sarathy 900 Tacoma Dr. Auburn AL 36830 --- Vijayaraghavan Srinivasan <vijayaraghavan_s wrote: > Dear Srinath and Others: > > In Adiyen's opinion, the situation is not as hopeless as it seems. My > experience in temple matters (limited as they are) shows that to make > progress - inner progress - things like Gayatri Japam, Bhaghavat Aradhanam > at home, AhAra Niyamanam etc., are more important than worrying about what > goes on in the temples. To be involved in temple affairs requires a > different kind of personality and I have seen Thenkalais are more suited for > that. > > Having said that, how does the current situation with regard to temples look > like. Our Divya Desams may not accord due respects to Vedanta Desika's > contributions. They may not recognize that both Desika Sampradayam and > Manavala Mamunigal sampradayam are like two eyes of Ramanujacharya's > siddhantam. But look at the internet. Look at the Websites. They are all > flooded with Vedanta Desika literature. Talk to smarthas. Talk to scholars > of other schools. There is no doubt in my mind that Vedanta Desika is a > highly reverred achAryA outside of His own Vadakalai circles. He strode the > philosophical scene like a colossus and that impression still carries. > > Now with regard to temples built in recent years, the developments are very > encouraging. Vaishnava temples coming up in metropolitan towns in India > have a strong Desika presence. Temples in America have Desika Sattrumurai > almost universally accepted. Temples in America have gone one step further, > as they try to unite the two kalais. This unity is important for several > reasons. (1) the small number of people in each town (2) to counter smArtA > influence that goes to dilute Sri Vaishnava standards (like bringing > Ganapati worship etc.,) (3) basically we are educated enough to understand > and appreciate the 95% of common things that we share and (4) A great > increase in the number of inter-kalai marriages. > > However, I am only worried about one thing. Our magnanimity and openness to > accommodate both kalais should be cautiously guarded with vigilance. The > priests (who still carry the old baggage) have greatly damaged the balance > between the two kalais in the Pittsburgh temple. People there are hesitant > to correct it as they do not want to get into kalai fights. Having heard > its history, it appears that the Pittsburgh temple very much started like > the Sri Ranganatha temple and it has indeed deviated from its original > Charter. I think we should not let these thing happen in other temples. > > Finally, our focus should be the future. For every divya desam, let there > be one parallel Divya Desam in America and other major towns of India that > is dedicated to Desika and with an all inclusive spirit. Let us work > towards that goal. EmperumAn will leave the original Divya desams and come > to places where there is love and a spirit of accommodation. > > Thanks. > > Thirumalai Nallan Chakravarthy family > S. Vijayaraghavan > Buffalo, NY > > _______________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > Srimate Sri Laksminrisimha Divya Paduka Sevaka > Srivan Satakopa Sri Narayana Yatindra Mahadesikaya Nama: > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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