RE: [nama-singapore] FWD: May 18, 2001 ( Seventh Anniversary of the Founding of the Bhakthi List]

[Guest guest]

SrI:

NamO NarayanA

 

Dear Sri Hari, Sri Anand Karalapakkam:

 

We have been reading your mails on the

" Seventh Anniversary of the Founding of Bhakthi List " .

 

We would like to share some of our observations - to you

and other members of various lists that you have been

communicating on this subject.

 

Our observations are grouped into 3 folds.

 

Fold 1: Bhakthi being the root.

 

1. Firstly, there is no second opinion that Bhakthi List

has been a vital tool in bringing together various

individuals - across the globe.

 

2. Secondly, it is Bhakthi List that has made many

individuals to grow into Sri Vaishnavas.

 

3. We would like to share that it is the committed efforts

of Sri Mani Varadarajan in encouraging various

members to contribute by way of postings that has

enabled such significant knowledge sharing.

 

4. We, for one, have not come across any incidence of

personal bias, as your mails suggest, in moderation.

 

5. As one of the members have pointed out in a mail, it

is from Bhakthi List many more e-groups and websites

have branched.

 

Fold 2: Your Emphasis / Comparison on Bhakthi & Malolan_Net

 

1. Firstly, all of us, have been members of Bhakthi and most

of us continue to be members and get to share various

views and acquire the right knowledge.

 

2. Having said this, we think you will admit that Malolan_Net

members were from Bhakthi List. It was Bhakthi list

that enabled few like minded Sri Vaishnavas to know each

other, thereby helping us to form Malolan_net.

 

3. " True Reflection of Many Issues " - We don't think any one

group can claim to " reflect the exact position on any

particular issue " . All of us are in unison that our

Acharya's holy words are final authority, in any matter.

So, none of the e-groups - whether it is A or B list,

can claim authority over any subject.

 

4. Your mention on " True Reflection.... " suggests that

Sri Vaishnavas who have a doubt over an issue can just

refer an email group and be done with that.

If you are suggesting this, then we fear that you are

getting into a mode " of an authority " .

 

5. At this point, let us admit that we are as much a sincere

follower of Malolan_Net as you are. At the same time, we

have been observing that most of us, get various doubts

clarified while we are able to get in touch with our

Acharya - either in person and/or during Tele-Upanyasams.

 

Fold 3: Platform:

 

1. Leaving out subject matter, authenticity etc., we found that

your views - IN REPLY TO - " Seventh Anniversary of the

founding of the Bhakthi List " mails - unethical and out of

place.

 

2. Here we are, enjoying and re-collecting the start and growth

of - what was a small group. We feel this is not the platform

for such opinions.

 

3. It would have been the best to wish the members who were

instrumental for such a growth. If you had other opinion,

about the members / list / objective - we believe, this is

not the occasion to share them.

 

4. It is unparliamentary to share other opinions while it was

some sort of " birthday celebrations " .

 

5. Worse, we found that you entered into a comparison between

the two groups and went on to describe why and where people

should come for " authenticated information " . It does look

very petty and seems completely out of place.

 

6. Unfortunately, quiet a few points have gotten personal and

am sure is unwarranted.

 

7. We also find that you went on to judge a Sri Vaishnava.

 

Summary:

 

We feel that your mails are disturbing as we expect significant

amount of harmony amongst all Sri Vaishnavas. A first and couple

of more readings of the mails [on the said subject] does give a

divisive feeling and this is definitely not healthy.

 

It is our sincere request that we focus our writings and discussions

to specific subject on sampradayam and let individual

Sri Vaishnavas be free to read and understand the right meaning.

" ...avar avar vidhi vazhi adaiya ninranare... " Swami Nammazhvar

Dasoham

Anand

Praveena

21st May 2001

Srimad Azhagia Singar Thiruvadigale Saranam

Shrimate Shri Seetha Ramachandra Parabrahmane Nama:

M.S.HARI Madabhushi Sarangarajan Hari [mshari]

Monday, May 21, 2001 7:50 AM

acharya ; nama-singapore

[nama-singapore] FWD: Re: May 18, 2001 ( Seventh Anniversary of

the Founding of the Bhakthi List]

Anand K Karalapakkam <kgk wrote:

SrI:

SrImatE rAmAnujAya namaH

namO nArAyaNa!

Dear devotees,

Thanks to SrI SaThakopan for his kind note on the

development of bhakti list. Its a real good feeling to

think back of the past.

> On May 18, 1994 Sri Mani Varadarajan Created

> the Bhakthi List . There were five members at

> the time of creation of this List:

>

> Sri Mani Varadarajan , California

> Sri Parthasarathy Dileepan of Tennessee/Vaduvoor

> Sri Krishna Kalalae of New York/Karnataka

> Sri Sudarshan Iyengar of Texas

> Srimathi Vaidehi Venkatakrishnan of

> Florida/ThiruvallikkENi

> adiyEn would like to express my personal thanks to

> the Five who had the vision to initiate Bhakthi List

> back in May 18, 1994.

It was SrI Dileepan's vision to make a " list " sort of

facility wherein all the members can simultaneously

get the e-mails. SrI MaNi volunteered to create such one

since he had the facility and know-how. First thanks

goes to SrI Dileepan for his vision.

> Special thanks to Sri Mani

> VaradarAjan for skillful and tireless moderation of

> the postings of the Bhakthi List .

SrI MaNi's moderation has been allright only to an extent.

There were many a times during which his decisions

were not fair enough. Almost all the regular contributors

have been in the receiving end for atleast few times. He

has posted nice articles and is a good friend of mine - Thats

a different issue. He has also sided with many personal

opinions of his and others, apart from being favourable

to the other sect in some issues to downplay SrI DESika

SampradAya. But, he personally tries his best to be a

good moderator and has done good job in certain areas.

This is not a personal opinion - This has been the same

with many dedicated devotees who are regular contributors.

Some have even more strong feelings depending upon their

experiences.

But, off-late the moderation has improved, though not

perfect. This is not to pin-point SrI MaNi; But, in Malolan

Net, aDiyEn has the responsibility to set the records

straight, for the sake of its members - ie.The archives in

bhakti list will not be a true reflection of many issues.

> >From a modest beginning of 96 postings in the first year ,

> the archives of this list houses today 12512 contributed

> articles.The range of subjects relating to Bhakthi

> and Sri VaishNavam covers a tremendously impressive list

> of topics.

>

> It is my recommendation to members , old and new alike ,

> to browse these extensive archives since many questions

> that have come up recently have alrady been covered by

> one or other members in hteir postings .

While Bhakti List archives is a good source in general to

know about our sampradAya, it also has " lots " of mis-leading

informations about our siddhanta and sampradAya. Also, the

understanding and conviction of some regular contributors in

bhakti list has transformed positively towards the sampradAya

over the years => Many previous articles have mis-informations

of this type also.

For Malolan Net members, aDiyEn " strongly " recommends the

archives of SrI Malolan Net - It is in accordance with the

Sastras which has been explained by our pUrvAchAryas. It is the

best place to know properly about SrI DESika SampradAya

ie.SAstras.

aDiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan,

anantapadmanAbhan.

Srimate Sri Laksminrisimha Divya Paduka Sevaka

Srivan Satakopa Sri Narayana Yatindra Mahadesikaya Nama:

[Guest guest]

Dear Smt. Praveena and Sri Anand

 

First we agree with the sentiments expressed by Sri.

Sadagopan. We agree with your approach and concepts.

Personally, our exposure to various aspiring

Srivaishnavas and the best learning was thru bhakti

list. Thanks to Mani for his initiative and effort. It

is possible others may have thought of similar approach.

However, it was Mani who put it in place and has helped

various people follow their Sri Vaishnava roots.

 

To cricize about his moderator role begs a question

whether we have consistent rules being applied in

malolan net also. If it is consistent, then how can Sri

Hari and CHi. Anand make such strong attacks on another

Srivaishnava. This is contrary to our traditions.

 

It is also clear that other Srivaishnava email

discussion groups evolved based on bhakti list over a

period of time.

 

No email archives can be claimed to be the only true

authority on Srivaishnavism. Let us be truthful. To

claim that only Malolan Net or any other net is

authentic shows egoism or self proclamation as " experts " .

 

With the happy Samprokshanam event planned for 27 May,

let us pray to the Divya Dampithis to make us all Humble

and non-egoistic and try to follow the word Adiyen in

every sense.

 

Nagu and Satyan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> SrI:

> NamO NarayanA

>

> Dear Sri Hari, Sri Anand Karalapakkam:

>

> We have been reading your mails on the

> " Seventh Anniversary of the Founding of Bhakthi List " .

>

> We would like to share some of our observations - to you

> and other members of various lists that you have been

> communicating on this subject.

>

> Our observations are grouped into 3 folds.

>

> Fold 1: Bhakthi being the root.

>

> 1. Firstly, there is no second opinion that Bhakthi List

> has been a vital tool in bringing together various

> individuals - across the globe.

>

> 2. Secondly, it is Bhakthi List that has made many

> individuals to grow into Sri Vaishnavas.

>

> 3. We would like to share that it is the committed efforts

> of Sri Mani Varadarajan in encouraging various

> members to contribute by way of postings that has

> enabled such significant knowledge sharing.

>

> 4. We, for one, have not come across any incidence of

> personal bias, as your mails suggest, in moderation.

>

> 5. As one of the members have pointed out in a mail, it

> is from Bhakthi List many more e-groups and websites

> have branched.

>

> Fold 2: Your Emphasis / Comparison on Bhakthi & Malolan_Net

>

> 1. Firstly, all of us, have been members of Bhakthi and most

> of us continue to be members and get to share various

> views and acquire the right knowledge.

>

> 2. Having said this, we think you will admit that Malolan_Net

> members were from Bhakthi List. It was Bhakthi list

> that enabled few like minded Sri Vaishnavas to know each

> other, thereby helping us to form Malolan_net.

>

> 3. " True Reflection of Many Issues " - We don't think any one

> group can claim to " reflect the exact position on any

> particular issue " . All of us are in unison that our

> Acharya's holy words are final authority, in any matter.

> So, none of the e-groups - whether it is A or B list,

> can claim authority over any subject.

>

> 4. Your mention on " True Reflection.... " suggests that

> Sri Vaishnavas who have a doubt over an issue can just

> refer an email group and be done with that.

> If you are suggesting this, then we fear that you are

> getting into a mode " of an authority " .

>

> 5. At this point, let us admit that we are as much a sincere

> follower of Malolan_Net as you are. At the same time, we

> have been observing that most of us, get various doubts

> clarified while we are able to get in touch with our

> Acharya - either in person and/or during Tele-Upanyasams.

>

> Fold 3: Platform:

>

> 1. Leaving out subject matter, authenticity etc., we found that

> your views - IN REPLY TO - " Seventh Anniversary of the

> founding of the Bhakthi List " mails - unethical and out of

> place.

>

> 2. Here we are, enjoying and re-collecting the start and growth

> of - what was a small group. We feel this is not the platform

> for such opinions.

>

> 3. It would have been the best to wish the members who were

> instrumental for such a growth. If you had other opinion,

> about the members / list / objective - we believe, this is

> not the occasion to share them.

>

> 4. It is unparliamentary to share other opinions while it was

> some sort of " birthday celebrations " .

>

> 5. Worse, we found that you entered into a comparison between

> the two groups and went on to describe why and where people

> should come for " authenticated information " . It does look

> very petty and seems completely out of place.

>

> 6. Unfortunately, quiet a few points have gotten personal and

> am sure is unwarranted.

>

> 7. We also find that you went on to judge a Sri Vaishnava.

>

> Summary:

>

> We feel that your mails are disturbing as we expect significant

> amount of harmony amongst all Sri Vaishnavas. A first and couple

> of more readings of the mails [on the said subject] does give a

> divisive feeling and this is definitely not healthy.

>

> It is our sincere request that we focus our writings and discussions

> to specific subject on sampradayam and let individual

> Sri Vaishnavas be free to read and understand the right meaning.

>

> " ...avar avar vidhi vazhi adaiya ninranare... " Swami Nammazhvar

>

> Dasoham

> Anand

> Praveena

> 21st May 2001

>

> Srimad Azhagia Singar Thiruvadigale Saranam

> Shrimate Shri Seetha Ramachandra Parabrahmane Nama:

>

>

>

> M.S.HARI Madabhushi Sarangarajan Hari [mshari]

> Monday, May 21, 2001 7:50 AM

> acharya ; nama-singapore

> [nama-singapore] FWD: Re: May 18, 2001 ( Seventh Anniversary of

> the Founding of the Bhakthi List]

>

>

> Anand K Karalapakkam <kgk wrote:

> SrI:

> SrImatE rAmAnujAya namaH

>

> namO nArAyaNa!

>

> Dear devotees,

>

> Thanks to SrI SaThakopan for his kind note on the

> development of bhakti list. Its a real good feeling to

> think back of the past.

>

> > On May 18, 1994 Sri Mani Varadarajan Created

> > the Bhakthi List . There were five members at

> > the time of creation of this List:

> >

> > Sri Mani Varadarajan , California

> > Sri Parthasarathy Dileepan of Tennessee/Vaduvoor

> > Sri Krishna Kalalae of New York/Karnataka

> > Sri Sudarshan Iyengar of Texas

> > Srimathi Vaidehi Venkatakrishnan of

> > Florida/ThiruvallikkENi

>

> > adiyEn would like to express my personal thanks to

> > the Five who had the vision to initiate Bhakthi List

> > back in May 18, 1994.

>

> It was SrI Dileepan's vision to make a " list " sort of

> facility wherein all the members can simultaneously

> get the e-mails. SrI MaNi volunteered to create such one

> since he had the facility and know-how. First thanks

> goes to SrI Dileepan for his vision.

>

> > Special thanks to Sri Mani

> > VaradarAjan for skillful and tireless moderation of

> > the postings of the Bhakthi List .

>

> SrI MaNi's moderation has been allright only to an extent.

> There were many a times during which his decisions

> were not fair enough. Almost all the regular contributors

> have been in the receiving end for atleast few times. He

> has posted nice articles and is a good friend of mine - Thats

> a different issue. He has also sided with many personal

> opinions of his and others, apart from being favourable

> to the other sect in some issues to downplay SrI DESika

> SampradAya. But, he personally tries his best to be a

> good moderator and has done good job in certain areas.

>

> This is not a personal opinion - This has been the same

> with many dedicated devotees who are regular contributors.

> Some have even more strong feelings depending upon their

> experiences.

>

> But, off-late the moderation has improved, though not

> perfect. This is not to pin-point SrI MaNi; But, in Malolan

> Net, aDiyEn has the responsibility to set the records

> straight, for the sake of its members - ie.The archives in

> bhakti list will not be a true reflection of many issues.

>

> > >From a modest beginning of 96 postings in the first year ,

> > the archives of this list houses today 12512 contributed

> > articles.The range of subjects relating to Bhakthi

> > and Sri VaishNavam covers a tremendously impressive list

> > of topics.

> >

> > It is my recommendation to members , old and new alike ,

> > to browse these extensive archives since many questions

> > that have come up recently have alrady been covered by

> > one or other members in hteir postings .

>

> While Bhakti List archives is a good source in general to

> know about our sampradAya, it also has " lots " of mis-leading

> informations about our siddhanta and sampradAya. Also, the

> understanding and conviction of some regular contributors in

> bhakti list has transformed positively towards the sampradAya

> over the years => Many previous articles have mis-informations

> of this type also.

>

> For Malolan Net members, aDiyEn " strongly " recommends the

> archives of SrI Malolan Net - It is in accordance with the

> Sastras which has been explained by our pUrvAchAryas. It is the

> best place to know properly about SrI DESika SampradAya

> ie.SAstras.

>

> aDiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan,

> anantapadmanAbhan.

>

> Srimate Sri Laksminrisimha Divya Paduka Sevaka

> Srivan Satakopa Sri Narayana Yatindra Mahadesikaya Nama:

>

>