question on piratti?

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sri:

 

 

Namo Narayana!

Pranamams to the feet of all bhagavathas.

 

First off:

Adiyal had the parama bhagyam of participating in the maha

samprokshanam of Sri Ranganatha kovil in New York along with

adiyaal's family. The much awaited event came to a successful

conclusion with the showering of flowers on top of the temple. Words

cannot describe the joy felt when we were able to sit in front of our

most beautiful Namperumal and recite the Sri sookthis of our

Purvacharyas. There were approximately 1000 bhagavathas who attended

the maha samprokshanam(adiyal does not know the accurate figure--this

is only an approximation) and streams of bhagavathas flocked the

temple premises on the days prior to the samprokshanam day. Adiyal

cannot even come close to describing the events with expressions that

they deserve(Sadagopan Swami will do justice on this part). Adiyal

just wanted to share the joy that came with finally having our own

Sri Vaishnava kovil in the U.S. where we as Sri Vaishnavas have all

rights and where we can follow our sampradayam to the T.

 

 

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Question:

Adiyal was reading a passage from this book called, " Srisuktabhasyam "

of Nanjiyar, translated by Sri A. Srinivasa Raghavan. In the passage

he mentions:

 

" A few others hold that She is the Sovereign of all except the

Isvara, while Narayana is the Sovereign of all including Herself.

All these run counter to the clear dictates of the Vedas which must

be our first and cheif authority on these matters supported, of

course, by Samhitas, Itihasas and Puranans. They declare that She is

the Sovereign of all souls(Isvarim sarvabhutaanaam) as

unconditionally as the Lord(Isvara sarvabhutaanaam); and so He is the

Sovereign of all except Lakshmi as much as She is the Sovereign of

all excepting Her Consort. The subordination of the one to the other

is voluntary and optional, not obligatory. "

 

Can someone identify which sampradayam believes in the first view and

the second view?

 

adiyal Ramanuja daasi

Bhagyalakshmi

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Dear Srimathi Bhagyalakshmi:

 

Yesterday was indeed a joyous day

beyond description.

 

(1)Thanks for your kind remarks.

I plan to write about some of the MahA

samprOkshaNam activities soon .

The first posting in this series

went out today .

 

(2)Your question is central to those of us

who follow Swamy Desika SampradhAyam .

Specific sections of 23rd and the 28th chapter of

Srimath Rahasya Thraya Saaram focusses on

this question and settles it without ambiguity .

 

In today's posting on the 31st slOkam

of Sri GuNa Rathna Kosam , it so happens

that these issues are taken up by

Sri ParAsara Bhattar and answered .

 

I have included these insights by Bhattar

Based on the " SrimathE NaarAyaNAya " section

of dhvya manthram .Elaborate commentary by

Swamy Desikan in the 28th chapter of Sri RTS

has plenty of PramANams on this important question.

 

V.Sadagopan

 

At 11:56 PM 5/28-01 -0000, you wrote:

>sri:

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>Question:

>Adiyal was reading a passage from this book called, " Srisuktabhasyam "

>of Nanjiyar, translated by Sri A. Srinivasa Raghavan. In the passage

>he mentions:

>

> " A few others hold that She is the Sovereign of all except the

>Isvara, while Narayana is the Sovereign of all including Herself.

>All these run counter to the clear dictates of the Vedas which must

>be our first and cheif authority on these matters supported, of

>course, by Samhitas, Itihasas and Puranans. They declare that She is

>the Sovereign of all souls(Isvarim sarvabhutaanaam) as

>unconditionally as the Lord(Isvara sarvabhutaanaam); and so He is the

>Sovereign of all except Lakshmi as much as She is the Sovereign of

>all excepting Her Consort. The subordination of the one to the other

>is voluntary and optional, not obligatory. "

>

>Can someone identify which sampradayam believes in the first view and

>the second view?

>

>adiyal Ramanuja daasi

>Bhagyalakshmi

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At 11:56 PM 5/28/2001 +0000, ammakannu wrote:

>sri:

>

>Can someone identify which sampradayam believes in the first view and

>the second view?

 

Our siddantham in a nut shell is Perumal and Piratti are equal

in all respects. Each is seshi, vibhu, and they both possess

all kalyaNa guNAs. They share some kalyANa gunas and by mutual

consent some guNas are more abundant with either PerumaL or

Piratti. Both perumal and piratti create this universe, rule

over it, and protect and grant mOksham for the jIvas. All jIvas

are by nature sesha for the Dhivya Dampati. However, Piratti is

not a sesha to Perumal by *nature*, but only by mutual consent.

She is a sesha for perumal only because she wants to be a sesha

to Him, not because she is Perumal's sesha by nature.

 

adiyEn had the opportunity to translate Srimad Azhagiya Singar's

ShrI: thatva dIpikai some months back. Link to the first post is

given below.

 

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-- adiyEn