Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 Dear Bhagavathas: No, this is not another controversial post. At 01:18 PM 6/24/2001 +0530, Anand K Karalapakkam wrote: >.... aDiyEn is also > not against those thenkalais who don't recite the vAzhi thirunAmam > of SwAmi DESikan. They afterall follow their custom set by their > elders, and there is no need to interfere in it. I fully agree with Sri Anand's above statement. For various reasons that can only be attributed to Perumal's inscrutable thiruvuLLam, we have two branches of Sri Vaishnavam. In my humble opinion Sri Vaishnavas from both kalais must follow our respective Acharyas, and show deference to each other. Unity must not presuppose total amalgamation, for that would mean, for both kalais, abandoning the teachings of our respective Acharya paramparais What is required is mutual respect. After all, philosophically, the two branches have a lot that is common than opposed. Here, adiyEn would like to take this opportunity and present the points on which the two branches differ. This is meant as a post to understand the highly techinical nature of our differences. adiyEn would like to refrain from any debates. This is only for understanding the two positions. In all there are about 18 or so points of differece. All are very highly technical. There are only couple of important points where the differences affect anushtAnam. The rest are just different emphasis of the common theory. The most important difference is about the ontological status of Periya Piratti. Much public debate has taken place about this. About a couple of years ago Srimad Azhagiya Singar wrote a grantham called Sri Tatva Deepikai. adiyEn translated this into English and partially available in the archive. In the following we present a few characteristics of Sri: (Periya Piratti). What is correctly stated here is due to adiyEn's proper understanding of Srimad Azhagiya Singar's grantam due only to asmadAcArya's grace. What is not stated correctly is due to my misunderstanding. [1] Iswari ------------ Periya Piratti is by nature Iswari to ubhaya vibUti. She is not a jIvatmA. Along with PerumAL, she lords over all other sentient and insentient entities. By mutual agreement, i.e. by sva-ichchai (self determination) Piratti submits to the lordship of Perumal. PirAtti's seshatvam for PerumAL is unlike that of jIvAtmAs. jIvatma's seshatvam is (i) for both perumAL, and pirAtti, and (ii) is svAbivigam, i.e. natural. However, pirAtti's seshatvam for perumAL is not by nature, but by sva-icchai. Perumal is Iswaran for all sentient and insentient matter. pirAtti is Iswari for all sentient (except perumAL) and insentient matter. Thenkalais do not accept that Sri: is Iswari. They object by saying the universe cannot have two Iswaras. A country will be ruined if it has two sovereigns. Similarly, if we have two Iswaras for the universe only chaos will reign. Our poorvacharyas have answered this criticism by citing the Vedas. Since the vedas say pirAtti is Iswari we have to accept it. Further, the logic that two masters will only usher in chaos in the material universe is not sufficient to prove pirAtti is not Iswari. Even in the material universe, two masters will spell disaster only if they are rivals. In our case, Perumal and Piratti are always in complete agreement and they complement each other. PerumAL's thiruvuLLam and pirAtti's thirvuLLam are always in complete agreement. They never hold rival views. Thus there is no danger of opposing edicts from rival Iswaras ruining the leela and nithya vibhUtees. [2] Creation ------------ Periya Piratti is an equal partner with Perumal in the act of creation. Not all Thenkalais accept this. Again, our poorvAcharyas have resorted to Shasthras, viz. Vedas and Pancharatra Agamas to prove this point. Creation is yagyam. No yagyam can be performed without sahadarmacharini. [3] vibhu --------- By nature Piratti's swaroopam is " anantam " , i.e. all pervading. ThenAcArcAys do not accept this. They characterize Piratti as essentially jIvAtmA, and therefore " aNu " . [4] Purushakaratvam ------------------- During upAya anushtAnam (i.e. saraNAgati) Periya Piratti acts as " purushakara " (mediatory/recommending role) between jIva and Perumal. At the time a jIvatma performs saranagati the jIva is afraid to face the KaruNAmoorthy due to the anAdikAla pApam committed. Like an errant child afraid to face his loving father alone, the jIva first surrenders to Thayar (Sri:). With Thayar on his side jIva musters enough courage to approach PerumAL. Due to the six primary kalyANa guNAs, namely, jgnAna, bala, aisvarya, vIrya, shakti, and tejas, perumAL is ready to punish the jIva for all the transgressions from beginingless time. However, sowseelya, vatsalyAdi guNas make Him receptive to the recommendation of Periya Piratti. Then He and Piratti, jointly grant the wishes of the jIva. This role of recommending clemency, played by Sri:, is called Purushakartvam. Both kalais accept pirAtti plays this role. [5] upAya (means of salvation) ------------------------------ In the process of self-surrender for the purpose of mOksha, pirAtti not only acts as " purushakara " , but also joins Perumal in granting mOksham. That is, pirAtti is in every way an equal partner in receiving our prapatti and granting moksham. This is not agreed to by ThenAcAryas. [6] upEyam (fruit of upAyam) ---------------------------- The fruit of prapatti is eternal service to Perumal and PirAtti. Moksham is nothing but uninterrupted service to Dhivya Dampati via Acharays. That is, our service is received not just by Perumal, but both by perumAl and pirAtti. On this point we have agreement between the two kalais. ..... to be continued -- adiyEn srimad azhagiya singar thiruvadi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 Dear Bhagavathas: Continuing on the differences between the two kalais, the next important difference is about moksha-upAyam. This is the only difference that affects anushtAnam. Vadakalais hold that there are two upAyAs for mOksham, namely, Bhakti Yogam and Prapatti. Here, Bhakti Yogam is not just ordinary bhakti that one feels when visiting a temple. Bhakti Yoga presupposes disciplines that even great maHAns have felt inadequate about. Karma Yoga which requires dispassionate performance of one's ordained duty, (not what we have chosen to do for our living) as bhagad arAdanani, and JnAna yoga that requires constant meditation upon self, seeing an equal self in all other beings, etc., etc. come first. These then mature into bhakti yoga which starts with a state called " Para bhakti " . At this stage the yogi has no thought but Perumal, he meditates on perumal constantly. Such constant meditation leads to a state called " para jnAnA " . In this state the yogi is able to even comprehend and behold perumal in his splendid Divya MangaLa Vigraha. The result is parama-bhakti. In this state the yogi cannot bear separation from Perumal even for an instant. Many Azhvars have sung about this state of pure ecstasy in nayika bhavam. Then, perumal out of His grace grants mOksham for the yogi. There are four qualifications for observing Bhakti Yoga. These four qualifications are, (i) Knowledge, (ii) ability, (iii) birth, (iv) willingness to wait for Bhakti Yoga to culminate. Knowledge: Bhakti Yoga requires lots of austerities about which the aspirant must have knowledge. Ability: Knowledge is not enough, must have the physical and emotional strength to undertake these austerities in a successful manner. Birth: Bhakti Yoga requires certain vedic rituals for which one has to be born a male and into one of the three varNAs with veda-adyayana athikAram. Willingness to wait: Bhakti Yogam can take many life times to come to culmination. One must be prepared to wait until that to attain mOksham. Anyone who fulfills these 4 qualifications must undertake only Bhakti Yoga. He is not qualified to undertake Prapatti. This, in a nut shell is Bhakti Yoga, vastly different from the common bhakti that many confuse as Bhakti Yoga. Anyone who does not fulfill even one of these 4 qualifications is eligible for undertaking Prapatti. Prapatti has two pre-requisites, namely, Akinchinyam (inability to save oneself) and Ananyagatitvam, not having any other means. Anyone who fulfills these two conditions irrespective of caste or gender is eligible for prapatti. There are five angAs for prapatti, namely, anukoolya sankalpam (promise to do the right thing, i.e. live according shashtrAs), prAtikUlya varjanam (refraining from what is forbidden) Karpanyam (extreme sense of self-inability to attain mOksham, i.e. inability to perform bhakti-yoga) Goptruvarnam (earnestly asking the Lord for moksham) MahavisvAsam (having unshakable faith that the Lord will accept this simple act of surrender and grant moksham) This prapatti may be done by sva-nishtai (directly to the Dhivya Dampati without any intermediary, for this to be successful all the angAs must be fulfilled without any blemish - not possible for most of us), Ukti Nishtai (approaching an Acarya and performing the rites as instructed by the AcArya), and Acarya Nishtai (approaching an acharya and the acharya does the prapatti on your behalf). (aside, Bhagavatha nishtai can be clubbed with Acarya nishtai). ThenAcArya sampradayam does not recognize Bhakti Yoga as an upAya at all. jIva is completely dependent on the Lord for everything and thus attempting Bhakti Yoga as a means of moksham is inconsistent with his swaroopam. This is a technical difference with very little practical impact if any. No Vadakalai has performed Bhakti Yoga since the time of Thirukkurugai Kavalappan, a shishya of NathamunigaL. Both kalais do not adopt Bhakti Yoga. Theoretically, Vadakalais accept Bhakti Yoga as a legitimate means for moksham, but Thenkalais do not. Prapatti is accepted by both kalais, but what is prapatti is where the difference lies. The vadakalai concept of prapatti is explained above. For thenkalai, Prapatti does not involve any overt action on the part of the jIva. All that is needed is a mental state of acceptance of PerumAL's nirhetuka kripA, i.e. ever present causeless kripA. This state of mind is considered prapatti and will result in moksham. This difference has significant practical importance as Thenkalais do not undergo " bhara nyAsam " , but the Vadakalais do. Vadakalais also accept nirhetuka kripA. They call it siddopAyam, i.e. ever present upAyam - Perumal's kripai. It is like rain, it falls everywhere. But, for the rain to yield agricultural results, the farmer has to prepare the soil, sow the seed and tend to the crop. Similarly, siddopayam is not sufficient for moksham. A specific act of self surrender that involves swaroopa samarpanam (i.e. surrendering one's soul), bhara samarpanam (i.e. surrendering the burden of saving oneself, and phala samarpanam (i.e. surrendering the fruit of bhara nyasam). Only if this overt act of " bhara nyAsam " , i.e. sAdyopAyam, is undertaken will the siddopAyam kick in and lift the soul to Vaikuntam. Here again the difference is very subtle, both kalais agree that it is not our action that gives us moksham, only Perumal's grace give us moksham. What triggers this grace is where the difference is. But this difference results in the most visible difference between the two kalais, next to the shape the thiruman of course :-). ..... to be continued -- adiyEn srimad azhagiya singar thiruvadi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 Dear Bhagavathas: We are continuing on the differences between the two kalais. The purpose is not to highlight the differences but to appreciate what little that separates the two branches and to realize the highly technical nature of the differences. We have already discussed several points, some dealing with prAtti and some with bhakti yoga & prapatti. In this post adiyEn shall try to cover the remaining points and conclude this topic. Nithya & Naimitika karma anushtAnam --- As in other issues the difference is very technical. Both branches require the performance of ordained sandyAvandAnAti duties. Thus, from a practical POV there is no difference. The difference is in why performance of these duties is important. These are duties ordained by Perumal. They are not optional. Sandhyavandanam must be performed even during asoucham, albeit Gayatri japam is done only 10 times. Not performing these duties for any reason will brook PerumAL's displeasure. Thenkalais argue that a mahAtmA who has realized that the lotus feet of Perumal is everything, abandoning these karmAnushtAnam is alright, in other words, these nithya/naimithika karmas are not compulsory. However, they go on to add, in order to set a good example for the rest of the society, such exalted people must continue to perform these duties. For this reason they should not give it up. Charama slokam -------------- The first line of this verse refers to giving up all dharmas and surrendering at the lotus feet of perumal. The " sarva darmAn " in the first line refers to all the vidyAs prescribed in Bhakti Yoga. Thus, the very fact one is undertaking Prapatti indicates that the person has given up all the darmAs referred to in the charama slokam. Thenkalai view is that all the darmAs must be first given up before undertaking prapatti. Please remember, Thenkalai view of what is prapatti is different from that of Vadakalais. This point was covered in the last post. Interpretation of certain kalyANa guNAs ------ Vatsalyam: The question here is how PerumAL's natural vatsalyam towards jIvas manifests. Vatsalyam is the natural motherly love. It is blind to the imperfections of the mother's offspring. Vadakalais hold that PerumAL due to His vatsalyam will overlook the pApam of the jIvas. The thenkalai view is that the sins of the jIvAs are in fact bhOgyam for PerumAL, much like the dirt on the body of calves is liked by the cow. Daya: PerumAL's compassion is such that He will remove the suffering of jIvAs who surrender to him. Since the Lord is all powerful He will not just share the jIvas grief, but will get rid of it. The acts of sorrow and grief PerumAL exhibits in Vibhava avathArAs such as Rama and Krishna are just playing the role of the avathAra, i.e. play acting. Such role-playing enhances the rasAnubhavam of the righteous. PerumAL in Krishna AvathAram got caught while stealing. This adds to the anubhavam of good people. Thenkalai view is when good people suffer, PerumAL also experiences the grief. Thiruman -------- Another main difference is of course the shape of the Thiruman. It has very little philosophical significance. But this is what engages the interest of a lot of people. Was there just one thirumaN during the days of Swami Bhashyakara? If so which one was it? Or, were both thirumANs in use even during Swami Bhashyakara's time? Was this a way devised by Swami Bhashyakara to separate two groups of Sri Vaishnavas? So much speculations, so many claims and counter claims. Some of these claims are so silly that one wonders whether to laugh or cry. All said and done, we do not definitive answers to these questions. The difference stems from the interpretation of what is meant by the end of the nose. Is it the tip of the nose or is it the base of the nose. Either way, both thirumans refer to perumAL thiruvadi(s) and pirAtti. IMHO, which I am suspect is not acceptable to many, is to not make this a big deal. Let everyone enjoy either or both thirumaNs as taught by their respective AchAryAs. If one branch claims emotional hurt we only start a fresh round of accusations and counter accusations. Let us concede hurt feeling for both sides and move forward. There are some more differences, but they are even more technical and obscure. As you see, philosophically, the differences between the two kalais are not very great. Why then is there so much rivalry between the two groups? Even till about 500 years ago we see that the two kalai were together, participating in the same goshti. IMHO, the rivalries began for reasons that have more to do with control of temples and such lowkeeka matters. What ever the reasons may be, the two kalais are a fact of life. How we cooperate and move forward is the issue. This is best left to AchAryAs. Our Guruparampara begins with Lakshminathan and ends with our present AchArya. Let us look to them for how to interact with each other. -- adiyEn srimad azhagiya singar thiruvadi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 Dear Bhagavathas: I missed one major point. The two kalais also have different views about kaivalyam. I was going to mention this, but somehow missed it. Kaivalyam is a state of enjoying one's self. In the process of jgnAna yoga one would arrive at the state of athma-sakshAtkAram, i.e. beholding one's self. This stage is called kaivalyam. This is short of the ultimate goal of moksham. Vadakalai view of kaivalyam is that it is outside Sri Vaikuntam and those who reach kaivalyam will stay there enjoying one's own self. Eventually, after proper upAya anushtAnam, they will reach Sri Vaikuntam itself. ThenAchArya also agree that kaivalyam is inferior to paramapadam. However, they argue that those who reach kaivalyam will eternally stay there. In their view, kaivalyam is part of Sri Vaikuntam, albeit in the periphery. -- adiyEn srimad azhagiya singar thiruvadi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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