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SrI:

SrImathE Gopaladesika Mahadesikaya namah:

 

Dearest Srivaishnavas,

 

seeronRu ThUppuRRiruvenkatamudayAn

paaronRaic chonna pazhamozhiyuL--OronRu

taanE yamaiyOthO thaaraNiyil VazhvArkku

vaanERp pOmalavum Vaazhvu

 

This , as we all know is Sri PiLLai LokAcchAr's Tribute to Swamy Desikan..

 

I have received an email from a knowledgeable srivaishnava of India that

there is *no* record in Guru parampara or any other work, that the taniyan

" seeronRu thUppul " was composed by Sri PillailokAryar, though he sure had

deepest and highest regards for Swamy Desikan.

 

Is there any record which says " it is composed by Sri Pillailokcharyar " ?

Please help

Regards

Narayana Narayana

aDiyEn

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SrI:

SrImatE rAmAnujAya namaH

SrImatE nigamAnta mahAdESikAya namaH

 

namO nArAyaNa!

 

Dear SrI MadhavakaNNan and other members,

 

Sorry for the belated reply. Meant to send this earlier.

 

> seeronRu ThUppuRRiruvenkatamudayAn

> paaronRaic chonna pazhamozhiyuL--OronRu

> taanE yamaiyOthO thaaraNiyil VazhvArkku

> vaanERp pOmalavum Vaazhvu

>

> This , as we all know is Sri PiLLai LokAcchAr's Tribute

> to Swamy Desikan..

>

> I have received an email from a knowledgeable srivaishnava of

> India that there is *no* record in Guru parampara or any other

> work, that the taniyan " seeronRu thUppul " was composed by

> Sri PillailokAryar, though he sure had deepest and highest regards

> for Swamy Desikan.

>

> Is there any record which says " it is composed by

> Sri Pillailokcharyar " ? Please help

 

3000 paDi Guruparampara-prabhAvam by 3rd Bramhatantra-svatantra

jIyar does say that it was a taniyan composed by PiLLailOkAchArya.

According to this document, during the later phase of

PiLLailOkAchArya's life, he underwent kAlakshEpam under

SwAmi DESikan for " SrI-BhAshyam " and rahasya grantas, though he

was much elder. <<It would have been ofcourse to understand SwAmi

DESikan's explanations and reconcile his views.>> During that

time only, the taniyan is reported to have been composed.

 

A comment is made that " Is itn't that because SwAmi DESikan

has been lauded as VEdAntAchArya,Sarvatantra-Svatantra and

KavitArkika-Simha, PiLLailokAchArya underwent SrI-BhAshya

kAlakshEpam! " .

 

This was least palatable to PiLLailOkAchArya's brother

Azhagiya-ManavALa-PerumAL nAyanAr. 3000 paDi describes the

activities of AMP nAyanAr and his associates, who wanted to

disgrace SwAmi DESikan by some means or other, because

of their " enviness/jealousy " << " asUyai " - as in 3000 paDi>> :

 

1. First they invited SwAmi DESikan for a debate, which

SwAmi refused stating that he will not debate with

rAmAnuja-aDiyArs {which will arise more ill-will and

hatredness etc; It was not a talk to reconcile one's

views etc in a calm manner}. Hence, they branded SwAmi

DESikan as " asamarthar " {incapable person in SAstras}

and hooked up their slippers as a garland in the

entrance of SwAmi DESikan's thirumALigai for insulting

DESikan to that effect. Rest is known .....how SwAmi

DESikan took that as a stroke of fortune in coming

in contact with the slippers/sandals of Hari-dAsas

and expressed in joy that while some will be after

karma,jn~Ana yoga, but his path is through the strength of

the holiness of Hari-dAsa pAdukas " . They then seeked

apology from SwAmi DESikan, by seeing such aatma-guNa

pUrnatvam.

 

2. 3000 paDi also records that, AMP NAyanAr without able

to tolerate the vaibhavam of SwAmi DESikan challenged

the title of " KavitArkika-simha " and said that, only

one who composes 1000 verses in one night's time can

be entitled so. AMP NAyaAr declared that he woulkd compose

1000 verses on Ranganatha's Lotus Feet " padakamala-sahasram "

and SwAmi DESikan replied that, he would compose

RanganAtha 'pAdukA-sahasram' <<the object, which is a step

lower than what SrI NAyanAr chose - to just show

SwAmi DESikan's humility>>. It is reported that only 300

verses were composed by AMP NAyanAr. Rest is well known and

how SwAmi DESikan even performed naichyAnusandAnam in

front of AMP nAyanAr, by also glorifying nAyanAr ....which

were well appreciated by elders and others who had assembled..

the way SwAmi DESikan advised to SrI-VaishNavas in general to

shed-off egoism, jealousy etc esp within our own sampradAyam

is also recorded in 3000 paDi <<refer AchArya Vaibhavam of

SrI PuriSai swAmi / Archives - SrI CG Balaji, SrI MuraLidhar

Rangaswamy have written on this>>.

 

3000 paDi also records the discussions between SwAmi DESikan

and Peria-aacchAn-PiLLai (PVP). PVP wanted to know about

intricacies of Prapatti and SwAmi DESikan handed over his

compositions of NyAsa-VimSati and NyAsa-Tilakam. They

then discussed its pros and cons using certain pAsurams

of AzhwArs {the discussion in a gist is recorded in 3000 paDi}.

PVP finally accepted it by exclaiming that SwAmi DESikan has

got the paripUrNa kaTAksham of UDayavar. It is then reported that

PVP requested the Prapatti-kramam, for which SwAmi DESikan

gave him NyAsa-Dasakam, which was to the good satisfaction of

PVP. This event took place before the above mentioned incidents.

 

-----------------

 

As far as thenkalais are concerned, the taniyan was not written

by PiLLailOkAchArya and they do not accept any of the above

documented events in 3000 paDi as real.Instead, the post MAmunigaL

period ThennAchAryas wrote some fictions that SwAmi DESikan

(described as someone who had no other job other than to

criticize other philosophies esp within rAmAnuja sampradAyam)

deeply repented for having expounded such doctrines not

acceptable to UDayavar, and hence fell at the feet of PVP

and understood the actual sampradAyam ....The story goes on.

Such stories are in circulation these days also. Some sensible

ThennAchAryas try to reconcile that, it does not refer to

SwAmi DESikan who is vary famous, but refers some other

VEdAnta-DESikan of the past !!

 

aDiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan,

anantapadmanAbhan alias Anand.

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SrI:

SrImathE Gopaladesika Mahadesikya namah:

 

Dear Sri Anand,

 

Thanks very much for yur time and great efforts in posting the detailed

write up on adiyEn's request.

As usual, it was clear, informative and well written.

 

It is saddening to see our ThUppul PiLLai has undergone such a suffering.

AsmadhAcharyan had said once to me with pain in his heart: Swamy

Desikanukku vibhavA avathAratthilum paribhavam; archA avathAratthilum

paribhavam.

 

Swamy is an avtaar; Genius- multi faceted.. Scholar.. and naturally he was

not liked and still is not...

They can not be a match to his skill and hence, they played all negative

tactics and are still playing...

 

Are you sure SrI PVP and Swamy met.. I have a vague impression (of reading

somewhere- let me check at home) that Sri PVP was before Swamy Desikan was

born.. (Sri PVP born in 1228; Swamy in 1368 A.D). I may be wrong (which is

not suprising and uncommon)

 

Thanks again

Regards

Swamy Desikan ThiruvadigaLE SaraNam

Narayana Narayana

aDiyEn

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SrI:

Dear Sri Anand,

 

I am sorry. I stand corrected. Swamy Desikan was born in 1268 (Ihad written

1368 by mistake). So it is very much possible, of course that they have met

and are contemporaries.

Regards

Narayana Narayana

aDiyEn

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