Guest guest Posted November 6, 2001 Report Share Posted November 6, 2001 .. Moksham for Dhadhibhandan’s Clay Pot Dhadhibhandan and his clay pot dear bhgavatas,people say that good things flow out of good things. this is indeed true, for the earlier beautiful qestion about dhadhibhandan and his clay pot has prompted shri sudarsan's excellent narrative. The question posed was, if Dhadhibhandan's claypot could attain moksha without any effort or elaborate mokshopaya, why at all are bhakti or prapatti required for us ? Swami Desikan is quite categorical_ " EdEnum oru prakAram AgavumAm, ArEnum oruvar anushttikka AgavumAm, prapattikkau alladu sarVesvaran moksham kodukka irangAn endradu Ayitru " - that is, unless prapatti is performed by oneself or by someone acting on behalf of one, or in some fashion if not directly by the atma concerned, the Lord would not grant moksha. how to reconcile these two positions? The spirit of the Rahasyatraya sara sreesookti is as follows, as applied to the present question- The clay pot, in its poorva janma, must have definitely adopted Bhakti Yogam, and its janma must have come to an end before the bhakti could fructify. hence in its next janma as the clay pot, it had the fortune of bhagavat thirumeni sambhandam, and attained moksham without any apparent effort on its part. the question could be asked- if it were such a puNyAtmA, why did it take birth as a clay pot at all? but one has to only refer to the history of mahatmas like jada bharata, to conclude that the ultimate janma of gnAnis need not even be human. It is only thus that one could explain the pasuram, " narpAl ayOttiyil vAzhum charAcharam mutravum narpAlukku uytthanan " (even the blades of grass in Ayodhya were given moksha by Sri Rama). if this were not agreed to, then the elaborate moksha mArgAs prescribed by various Upanishads, Sri Geeta, and poorvAchArya anushttAnam,etc. would become irrelevant and uncalled for. And as for prapatti performed by acharyas for animals,etc., Sri Chandilya Smriti,( as quoted by swami Desikan in Srmad RAhastrayasaram) lays down- " pasu:manishya:pakshi vA yEcha Vaishnava samsritA: tEnaiva tE prayAsyanti tad vishno: paramam padam " This makes it clear that whether it be animals,birds or other beings, if they seek the refuge of a Sri Vaishanava, they too are assured of liberation. So, there is no wonder in acharyas performing bharanyasam for animals,etc., and their attaining moksha without any apparent effort on their part, as did DhadhibhAndan's pot. without any pretence of having dealt with the weighty question adequately, adiyen trusts adiyen has been able to throw some light on the matter, to the best of adiyen's limited faculties. -dasan,sadagopan. Find a job, post your resume. http://careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2001 Report Share Posted November 6, 2001 Sri: SrimathE VEdanta RAmAnuja MahAdEsikAya Namaha SrimathE RangarAmAnuja MahAdEsikAya Namaha SrimathE NigamAntha MahAdEsikAya Namaha SrimathE BhagavathE BhAshyakArAya MahAdEsikAya Namaha Sri RanganAtha Divyamani PadukAbhyAm Namaha Dear SrI Satakopan SwAmin AdiyEn DAsan VEdAntam's Anantakoti pranAmam. The write up on DhadhibhAndan, his clay pot and Moksha by SrI Sudharshan SwAmin, and devarIr's subsequent pramAnam from num SwAmi Desikan was lucid and effective as usual. Though SwAmi out of humility had doubted the explaination given in here, adiyEn feels that anyone owing allegiance to and resorting to SwAmi Desikan's SrI Sooktis for pramAnam could hardly go wrong. Never in fact! A very important aspect of prapatti could not have been so very easily illustrated. Thanx again to SwAmi and SrI Sudarshan for another wonderful writeup. NArAyana, NArAyana, AdiyEn VEdAnta RAmAnuja DAsan VEdAntam SrInivAsarAghavan AyyangAr - sadagopan iyengar Tuesday, November 06, 2001 12:24 PM tiruvengadam Cc: bhakti-list ; ; chetlurvas; j.srinivasan Dhadhibhandan's clay pot . Moksham for Dhadhibhandans Clay PotDhadhibhandan and his clay potdear bhgavatas,people say that good things flow outof good things. this is indeed true, for the earlierbeautiful qestion about dhadhibhandan and his clay pothas prompted shri sudarsan's excellent narrative.The question posed was, if Dhadhibhandan's claypotcould attain moksha without any effort or elaboratemokshopaya, why at all are bhakti or prapatti requiredfor us ?Swami Desikan is quite categorical_"EdEnum oruprakAram AgavumAm, ArEnum oruvar anushttikka AgavumAm,prapattikkau alladu sarVesvaran moksham kodukkairangAn endradu Ayitru"- that is, unless prapatti isperformed by oneself or by someone acting on behalf ofone, or in some fashion if not directly by the atmaconcerned, the Lord would not grant moksha.how to reconcile these two positions?The spirit of the Rahasyatraya sara sreesookti is asfollows, as applied to the present question-The clay pot, in its poorva janma, must havedefinitely adopted Bhakti Yogam, and its janma musthave come to an end before the bhakti could fructify.hence in its next janma as the clay pot, it had thefortune of bhagavat thirumeni sambhandam, and attainedmoksham without any apparent effort on its part. thequestion could be asked- if it were such a puNyAtmA,why did it take birth as a clay pot at all? but onehas to only refer to the history of mahatmas like jadabharata, to conclude that the ultimate janma of gnAnisneed not even be human. It is only thus that onecould explain the pasuram, "narpAl ayOttiyil vAzhumcharAcharam mutravum narpAlukku uytthanan" (even theblades of grass in Ayodhya were given moksha by SriRama). if this were not agreed to, then the elaboratemoksha mArgAs prescribed by various Upanishads, SriGeeta, and poorvAchArya anushttAnam,etc. would becomeirrelevant and uncalled for. And as for prapatti performed by acharyas foranimals,etc., Sri Chandilya Smriti,( as quoted byswami Desikan in Srmad RAhastrayasaram) lays down- "pasu:manishya:pakshi vA yEcha Vaishnava samsritA: tEnaiva tE prayAsyanti tad vishno: paramam padam" This makes it clear that whether it be animals,birdsor other beings, if they seek the refuge of a SriVaishanava, they too are assured of liberation. So,there is no wonder in acharyas performing bharanyasamfor animals,etc., and their attaining moksha withoutany apparent effort on their part, as didDhadhibhAndan's pot.without any pretence of having dealt with theweighty question adequately, adiyen trusts adiyen hasbeen able to throw some light on the matter, to thebest of adiyen's limited faculties.-dasan,sadagopan.Find a job, post your resume.http://careers.Srimate Sri Laksminrisimha Divya Paduka SevakaSrivan Satakopa Sri Narayana Yatindra Mahadesikaya Nama: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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