[RE: Bharata SaraNAgathi & VibhIshaNa SaraNAgati]

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Dear SrI KrishNa kAshyapa,

 

I welcome your questions and present answers for the same following SrImath

rahasya traya sAram (SRTS) of swAmi SrIman nigamAnta mahA dESika. Your

question has been answered in the adhikAri vibhAgAdhikAram (adhikAram 8) in

the artAnuSAsana bhAgam of the same grantam.

 

" pApishTa: kshatrabandhuSca puNDaRIkaSca puNyakruth |

AchAryavattayA mukthOw tasmAth-AchAryavAn bhavEth || "

 

This states that AachArya is mandatory and having AachArya is mOksha-kAraNam

for all.

 

" … ukti-AchArya nishTai engiRa ivaiyum prapattiyil mukha-bhEdangaL "

 

If a person is well versed in tatva-hita-purushArtams, then there is no bar

for him to adopt prapatti by himself at the divine lotus feet of the

divya-dampatis. If he has an overall knowledge about the same, he can adopt

ukti-nishTai. Others can adopt AchArya nishTai.

 

In the first case, the role of AchArya is neither underestimated nor ignored.

This person too has to acknowledge AachArya with full dedication and devotion

because without the AachArya, it is impossible for him to have obtained the

precise tatva-hita-purushArta knowledge. Also, the anusandAnam of AachArya

paramparA (till bhagavAn SrIman nArAyaNan) is a must for all mumukshus in all

his endeavors.

 

There are numerous pramANa vachanams cited in the same adhikAram of SRTS to

explain the various " mukha-bhEdams " of prapatti and the qualifications for

each adhikAri who adopts one of these. Further each type of prapatti is

clearly defined in this ahdikAram.

 

All these types of prapattis (as defined in SAstras) give the same result.

There is no doubt here. It is ascertained with pramANam & pramANAnuguNa

nyAyams. There are many subtle points in this chapter. If time permits, I will

explain this adhikAram in detail.

 

Thanks & Regards

M.S.HARI rAmAnuja dAsan (mshari)

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" Krishna Kashyap " <kkalale1 wrote:

 

Dear sri Hari,

 

thanks a lot for this clarification. Your command of abhayapradanasaram is

excellent. I have a question for you. Once a friend asked me: Acharya is

needed for most people for prapatti. Is acharya absolutely necessary at all

for prapatti? where is it indicated in our shastras. the 5 angas dont

mention it.

let us take an example. say a great person does kalakshepam under acharyas

of all grantha chatustayam. He understands all the needed information. they

he goes and does svanista prapatti. what is wrong there?

 

I was thinking even then he owes gratitude to acharyas for learning

information. say he has gratititude but at the time of sharanagati he

preferred or in a rage of emotion fell at the feet of lord without the

remembrance of acharya, will the sharanagati be effective?

 

how many people really did svanista in our sampradayam? What does it mean to

say sri Ramanuja did svanista? Did he not remember alavandar or nammalwar

during that time of surrender?

 

I remember vague statements such as ; abhagavattah asau asau..etc. so

acharya lineage is important. I remember acharyat hi eva viditat sadhitam

prapat. However, I dont remember the exact set of pramanams for the

absolute necessity for acharya for prapatti though I know it has to be true

for 99% of the people.

 

SO, please find information on this from rahasya granthas. I believe in the

necessity of acharyas intuitively. However I need pramanams for a better

appreciation of this issue.

 

NOte: I have no intention to continue vadams on the original line of thought

between kalai / itihyam issues. Let us put a stop on it. It is not

productive. let us meditate on our acharyas and srimannarayana instead.

 

by the way, if Anand karalapakkam or anyone with lot of contacts with our

shastras or acharyas on this net wants to find answers to this question,

feel free to write. I like to hear only very informed acharyas approved

information and not wild guesses.

 

thanks

 

adiyen Krishna Kashyap ( formerly Kalale)

 

Srivan Satagopa Sri Vedanta Desika Yatindra Maha Desikaya Namah

Srimate Sri Laksminrisimha Divya Paduka Sevaka

Srivan Satakopa Sri Narayana Yatindra Mahadesikaya Nama:

 

M.S.HARI Madabhushi Sarangarajan Hari [mshari]

Tuesday, December 04, 2001 4:35 PM

 

Cc: mshari

Bharata SaraNAgathi & VibhIshaNa SaraNAgati

 

 

Dear Members,

 

I received a mail from a friend of mine through a email list. He wrote:

> The knowledge and its corollary of performing prapatti are only

> qualifications or " adhikAri visEshaNa " . This is very concept of

> " nirhEtuka kripA " of emberumAn. There are cases to prove this,

> like, the prapatti did by Sri BharathAzhwAn, for Sri rAmA to

> return to ayOdhyA did not yield result, though the act of

> performing the surrender was clearly done according to the books,

> whereas VibheeshaNa saraNAgathi yielded results for him, though

> it was not done according to the books. I mean to say that actually

> VibheeshaNA was in the sky and emberumAn was in the ground when the

> saraNAgathi was done.

 

I wanted to share my reply with you all as follows.

(A rahasya grantam of swAmi dESika is referred here within the

limits of SAstra)

swAmi SrIman nigamAnta mahA dESika in his abhaya-pradAna sAram has clearly

ascertained the meaning of SrImath rAmAyana's incidents that are related in

the above context. The prapatti done by SrI bharatAzwAr was perfectly

successful. Also, the prapati done by SrI vibhIshaNAzwAr was perfectly as

per

SAstra. Let us see the proper ascertainment here:

 

First let us see the Prapatti (SaraNAgati) done by SrI bhartAzwAr:

" muRpAdrAna dEvargaL paNNina prapattikkAga rAvaNa vadattukku

ezhundaruLugayum

piRpAdArAna SrI BharatAzwAn paNNina prapattikkAga mINDum tiruvabhiShEkam

paNNi

rAjyam paNNugayum virudhdamAna padiyAlE SrI bharatAzwAnukku prapatti paNNina

pOdE parama-palam cadakkenat talai-kaTTiRRillayEyakilum, avarukkuk kaikEyi

varattAlE prasaktamAna avadyam tIrum-padi,

maravadiyait tambikku vAn paNayam vaiththup-pOi vAnOr vAzha (SrI periyAzvAr

tiru-mOzhi 4-9-1)

enkiRapadiyE appOdu sAkshAth palamAna tiruvadigaLukkupf prathi-nidhiyAna SrI

SaTakOpanAlE saphalatvam solli, pinbu pUrva-prati-jnyAtmAna dEva kAryam

talai-kaTTinavARE SrI pushpaka vimAnattAlE sAkshAth palamAna tiruvadikaq

swayam-AagatangaLAi ayatna labdangaLanapadi sonnAn. "

(abhaya-pradAna sAram, adhikAram 3 SaraNAgathi tAtparya prapanjakam)

Thanks & Regards

M.S.HARI rAmAnuja dAsan (mshari)

 

Srimate Sri Laksminrisimha Divya Paduka Sevaka

Srivan Satakopa Sri Narayana Yatindra Mahadesikaya Nama: