swami desikan thirunakshatram celebrations in.. .

[Guest guest]

Dear SrI Venkat R,

 

I appreciate your mail and kainkaryams to celebrate swAmi dESika's

tirunakshatram. I saw the images in the link that you have

provided. May I suggest something to you if you do not mistake

me! But it is of the category " SonnAl virOdham idu Agilum

solluvEn " . While doing hArati and such angams of AarAdhanam

that too during swAmi's tirunakshatram, it is a must to follow

atleast some basic anushTAnams like having 12 uRdhva puNDrams,

not wearing shirt, married men to wear madi pancha-kaccham.

These anushTAnams are very much important. Please do not

mistake me that I am critizising. Now-a-days, it is almost

impossible to see SrI vaishNava ladies to wear SrI chUrNam

and tirumaN Urdhva puNDrams. Most of the SrI VaishNava ladies

have only poTTu and such marks which is also in dEvatAntarams. The same

case is also almost comming for SrI VaishNava men. Many of us have

already left Sikai etc. But we should not be pessimistic by quoting the

anushTAnams that we have left. But we must be optimistic and take postive

steps to adopt atleast basic anushTAnams like 12 Urdhva puNdrams

atleast on these AachArya tirunakatram days. Then adopt Sikai

etc atleast gradually.

 

Thanks & Regards

naidhruva mAdabhUshi S. HARI rAmAnuja dAsan (mshari)

[Guest guest]

SrI:

NamO NarayanA:

 

Dear Sri Hari:

 

AdiyEn appreciates the concerns. It should be noted that this

Satsangham is based in Bahrain, a Gulf state. In adiyEn's little

Understanding of Gulf States, which has rather strict religious

Codes, it would not have been possible for the Goshti in

Bahrain to practice basic sampradayam needs.

 

Having been in few of the Arabic cities, AdiyEn knows that it

is extremely difficult to practice Sri Sampradayam. It should

be greatly appreciated that the Bahrain Goshti is able to

Keep up high energy, continuous meetings of Satsangham, recitation

Of various Paasurams, maintaining websites, up keep of tradition

Through a series of CDs, MP3s and more.

 

Knowing the Goshti for many years, AdiyEn knows that the Goshti

Is committed to our Sri Sampradayam in letter and spirit. The

Non-conformance of " Swaroopam " could only be attributed to the

Place.

 

It may be prudent to note that even many Sri Vaishnavas in

Singapore - which is a very liberal place allowing for religious

Freedom - DO NOT practice basics like Dvadasam and madi pancha-kaccham

even today.

 

dAsan

Anand

18th October 2002

 

Srimad Azhagia Singar Thiruvadigale Saranam

Shrimate Shri Seetha Ramachandra Parabrahmane Nama:

 

 

 

M.S.HARI Madabhushi Sarangarajan Hari [mshari]

Thursday, October 17, 2002 22:14

; acharya

Cc: venkat.R; mshari

Re: swami desikan thirunakshatram celebrations in.. .

 

 

Dear SrI Venkat R,

 

I appreciate your mail and kainkaryams to celebrate swAmi dESika's

tirunakshatram. I saw the images in the link that you have provided. May

I suggest something to you if you do not mistake me! But it is of the

category " SonnAl virOdham idu Agilum

solluvEn " . While doing hArati and such angams of AarAdhanam that too

during swAmi's tirunakshatram, it is a must to follow atleast some basic

anushTAnams like having 12 uRdhva puNDrams, not wearing shirt, married

men to wear madi pancha-kaccham. These anushTAnams are very much

important. Please do not mistake me that I am critizising. Now-a-days,

it is almost impossible to see SrI vaishNava ladies to wear SrI chUrNam

and tirumaN Urdhva puNDrams. Most of the SrI VaishNava ladies

have only poTTu and such marks which is also in dEvatAntarams. The same

case is also almost comming for SrI VaishNava men. Many of us have

already left Sikai etc. But we should not be pessimistic by quoting the

anushTAnams that we have left. But we must be optimistic and take

postive steps to adopt atleast basic anushTAnams like 12 Urdhva puNdrams

atleast on these AachArya tirunakatram days. Then adopt Sikai etc

atleast gradually.

 

Thanks & Regards

naidhruva mAdabhUshi S. HARI rAmAnuja dAsan (mshari)

 

 

Srimate Sri Laksminrisimha Divya Paduka Sevaka

Srivan Satakopa Sri Narayana Yatindra Mahadesikaya Nama:

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear sri.Hari,Anand and Anand Karalapakkam,

 

namo narayana. adiyen's pranamams.

 

Well. adiyen never expected that this issue will be appearing in all the

lists.Having brought to the surface let me clarify to the possible extent.

 

As Sri Anand Sampathkumar put it,it is very difficult in Gulf states to move

around outside in our traditional cloths leave alone pancha kachcham. adiyen

was wearing atleast srichurnam all the time and adiyen's boss( local arab)

never objected to that practice.One day there was a visitor from Saudi

arabia and he took objection to this and my MD later politely told me not to

wear any tilak in the office.Even when Sri Velukkudi krishnan was here, he

did not travel in traditional dress fearing objection from the airport

authorities.

 

But in side our home we are free to do what ever we want as far as dressing

code is concerned. It is an usual practice to be in pancha kachcham while

the goshti is held at adiyen's house. You may see the images of sravanam

celebrations of 2000( visit http://srivaishnavam.com/rvphoto.htm )and adiyen

with 12 thirumans too. All of us perform thiruvaradanam to saligrama perumal

daily in prescribed dress code and even during the weekly and monthly

goshtis. This is true with sri Chary swamin and Sri Narayanan and others

too,provided it is in our home and we don't have to travel in a car.

 

Correct me if adiyen is wrong. adiyen wears pancha kachcham only if adiyen

can maintain the madi. After bath we take the dried veshti and anga vastram

from balcony while still wearing the wet towel and then do the sandhya

vandanam and thiruvaradhanam and only after partaking the prasadam changes

the dress for the office. This is applicable for the satsanghs in adiyen's

house too.

 

If the satsangh venue is away from home, we have to drive the car thru the

downtown and even to have thick urdva pundram itself attracts many unwanted

curious looks and we are indeed embrassed. Fortunately most of the

gatherings are in the evening around 7PM so adiyen don't hesitate to go with

thick thiruman from the home itself.Many bhagavathas were avoiding urdva

pundram and now we are requesting them to wear it once they reach the venue

of satsangh.

 

If it is practical, we take bath in the house of the devotee where the

satsangh is being conducted and wear the madi pacha kachcham before

thiruvaradanam. Sri Chary swamin used to do this many times when he is

invited for performing thiruvaradanam to saligrama perumal. Now it is not

practical for all the 25,30 devotees to bathe and wear the madi vastram in

the house prior to satsangh. If we are not madi,what is the use of wearing

pancha kachcham.

 

On 15th being a working day, most of us were busy in the office till 6 PM

and with in 30 minutes we have to get ready for the 7 O'clock recitation.

That is why many bhagavathas were even in pants rather than veshti. We

wanted to have the goshti on the day of Thirunakshatram rather than

postponing to a **convenient** week end.We all have performed special

thiruvaradanam in our respective homes and in the evening no saligrama

aradanam was done.

 

adiyen is NOT trying to justify the dress code. adiyen ever since came to

know about our sampradayam and started appreciating and practising it,

visits the temple only in traditional dress( even to the sriranganatha

temple,Pomona on 20th Sep this year).But when the goshti is outside my home

it has become very difficult.

 

Sorry for the long mail. If any one of you have better suggestion, we are

willing to give it a try. Coming to ladies wearing just pottu and not urdva

pundram, adiyen has seen even the most orthodox family members even while

visiting the sri ahobila mutt to receive the blessings of acharya are

wearing pottu only.(My daughter is interested to wear urdva pundram because

she wants to dress like ANDAL,that is different story).While we our selves

are helpless in observing strict dress code, where we can insist on ladies

for all these.

 

One thing. If we make it rigid, the attendence goes low and we have to make

it possible for every one to come and participate. Now that urdva pundram

has become common and many do sandhya vandhanam regularly due to the

association of bhagavathas.

 

adiyen request the pardon of learned members in this mail.

 

 

Anand Sampathkumar [may2192]

18 October 2002 17:39

'M.S.HARI Madabhushi Sarangarajan Hari';

; acharya

Cc: 'venkat.R'

RE: swami desikan thirunakshatram celebrations in.. .

 

 

SrI:

NamO NarayanA:

 

Dear Sri Hari:

 

AdiyEn appreciates the concerns. It should be noted that this

Satsangham is based in Bahrain, a Gulf state. In adiyEn's little

Understanding of Gulf States, which has rather strict religious

Codes, it would not have been possible for the Goshti in

Bahrain to practice basic sampradayam needs.

 

Having been in few of the Arabic cities, AdiyEn knows that it

is extremely difficult to practice Sri Sampradayam. It should

be greatly appreciated that the Bahrain Goshti is able to

Keep up high energy, continuous meetings of Satsangham, recitation

Of various Paasurams, maintaining websites, up keep of tradition

Through a series of CDs, MP3s and more.

 

Knowing the Goshti for many years, AdiyEn knows that the Goshti

Is committed to our Sri Sampradayam in letter and spirit. The

Non-conformance of " Swaroopam " could only be attributed to the

Place.

 

It may be prudent to note that even many Sri Vaishnavas in

Singapore - which is a very liberal place allowing for religious

Freedom - DO NOT practice basics like Dvadasam and madi pancha-kaccham

even today.

 

dAsan

Anand

18th October 2002

 

Srimad Azhagia Singar Thiruvadigale Saranam

Shrimate Shri Seetha Ramachandra Parabrahmane Nama: