[adiyen dhAsan dheval dhevar]

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SrI:

SrImathE rAmAnujAya nama:

Dear SrI K.S.Venkataraghavan,

 

You wrote:

> Let us see what our sivaishnava parAcharya kOdasthar

> mAran sadagopan says..

> " adiyen siru jnanathAn aridh ilArku mariyAnai

 

I think the your term " parAcharya " is a typo. Are you meaning

prAchArya? The terms kOdasthar, sadagopan are having

transliteration/spelling errors. At least we SrI VaishNavas must

write the name of our prapanna santAna kUTastar properly.

Your spelling (or the popular spelling) " sadagopan " is

not at all proper and it is horrible. In Sanskrit, the

terms " sada " " gopan " do not convey the avatAra vaibhavam of our swAmi

nammAzwAr. sadagopan is not the name of our AazwAr.

I suggest that you write it as " SaThakOpan " . Also,

please check the tiruvAi mozi pAsuram line that you

have written. Is it siru or siriya?.

 

Thanks & Regards

naidhruva mAdabhUshi S. HARI rAmAnuja dAsan (mshari)

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" K.S.Venkataraghavan " <ksvenkat wrote:

Dear bakthAs

 

We all know that in our sampradhAyam we often use the word " adiyen

dhAsan dheval dhevar " etc..

 

adiyen is sharing few thought about the same.

 

This word adiyen wrt all sriVaishnavAs carries a lot of significance.

 

In manthrarAja padha stothra Paravathi Pathi bagavadhOthama Sri Rudra says.

 

" dhAsa bOthA svathassarvaey hyAthmanaha paramAthmanahA " "

 

Every srivaishnavA must have a feeling and hence practice " that they

are dhAsans for bhagavAn and also to a bhAgavadhA "

 

This must be realised and used very frequently.

 

dhAsan,adiyen means " slave " .. that is to say every srEvaishnavA must

realise that bhagavAn and bAgavathAs are superior to him and he is very

inferior to them.

 

Let us see how Kulasekara Azhwar in his mukundhamAla requests bhagavAn.

 

" thvaDhBruthya Brudhya parisAraka BrudhyaBrudhya Brudhyasya Brudhya ithE

mAm smara lokanAtha "

 

He requests bhagavAn.. " Grace Oh lord thinking that I am your slave of

your slave of your slave of your slave of your slave of your slave of

your slave.. put me there in that seventh lowest grade and consider me

as your sramAvathi dhAsan.. "

 

Alavandhar in his sthothrarathna says as follows

" thavadhAsya sugaikasanGi nAm Bhvaneshvasthvapi kEdajanma may "

 

" Oh lord I will be happy if I am born as a worm in a house that belongs

to a person who always uphlods and is happy being your dhAsan " .

 

Let us see what our sivaishnava parAcharya kOdasthar mAran sadagopan says..

" adiyen siru jnanathAn aridh ilArku mariyAnai

kadisaer thannay thuzhAykkaNNi punaindhAn thannay kaNannay

sediyAr Akay adiyArai serthal thErkum thirumAlai

adiyen kAnbAn alatruvan idhinil mikOr ayarvundaey? " TVM 1-5-7

 

Further namAzhwar also adds to his above pAsuram in TVM 3-7-10

 

" adiyArku vayamuNNdAlilai yannava sancheyum

padiyadhu milsOzha vipadi yendhaipi rAnranku

adiyAr adiyAr thamadi yAr adi yArthamk

kadiyAr adiyAr tham, adi yAradi yongaley "

 

One can see that the word " adiyen " being practtised in and around

AzhwAr thirunagari whereas mAran sadgOpan namAzhwAr was born.

 

so whenever you say " yes " " exactly " " you are right " " so be it " use the

word adiyen

 

regards

dhAsAnu dhAsan venkatarAghava dhAsan

 

 

 

Srimate Sri Laksminrisimha Divya Paduka Sevaka

Srivan Satakopa Sri Narayana Yatindra Mahadesikaya Nama:

 

 

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srI:

 

> I think the your term " parAcharya " is a typo.

> Are you meaning

> prAchArya? The terms kOdasthar, sadagopan are having

> transliteration/spelling errors. At least we SrI VaishNavas must

> write the name of our prapanna santAna kUTastar properly.

 

----- adiyen it is paramAcharyar -..

 

> Your spelling (or the popular spelling) " sadagopan " is

> not at all proper and it is horrible.

 

---- adiyen see that the popular spelling horrible (adiyen though is

popualr is only in this way)... -

 

> In Sanskrit, the terms " sada " " gopan " do not convey the avatAra

> vaibhavam of our swAmi nammAzwAr. sadagopan is not the name of our

> AazwAr.I suggest that you write it as " SaThakOpan " .

 

------ adiyen .. -

 

>Also, please check the tiruvAi mozi pAsuram line that you

> have written. Is it siru or siriya?.

 

------ it is siriya as dheval pointed out...

 

> Thanks & Regards

> naidhruva mAdabhUshi S. HARI rAmAnuja dAsan (mshari@u...)

> ============================================================

> " K.S.Venkataraghavan " <ksvenkat@e...> wrote:

> Dear bakthAs

>

> We all know that in our sampradhAyam we often use the word " adiyen

> dhAsan dheval dhevar " etc..

>

> adiyen is sharing few thought about the same.

>

> This word adiyen wrt all sriVaishnavAs carries a lot of significance.

>

> In manthrarAja padha stothra Paravathi Pathi bagavadhOthama Sri

Rudra says.

>

> " dhAsa bOthA svathassarvaey hyAthmanaha paramAthmanahA " "

>

> Every srivaishnavA must have a feeling and hence practice " that they

> are dhAsans for bhagavAn and also to a bhAgavadhA "

>

> This must be realised and used very frequently.

>

> dhAsan,adiyen means " slave " .. that is to say every srEvaishnavA must

> realise that bhagavAn and bAgavathAs are superior to him and he is very

> inferior to them.

>

> Let us see how Kulasekara Azhwar in his mukundhamAla requests bhagavAn.

>

> " thvaDhBruthya Brudhya parisAraka BrudhyaBrudhya Brudhyasya Brudhya

ithE

> mAm smara lokanAtha "

>

> He requests bhagavAn.. " Grace Oh lord thinking that I am your slave of

> your slave of your slave of your slave of your slave of your slave of

> your slave.. put me there in that seventh lowest grade and consider me

> as your sramAvathi dhAsan.. "

>

> Alavandhar in his sthothrarathna says as follows

> " thavadhAsya sugaikasanGi nAm Bhvaneshvasthvapi kEdajanma may "

>

> " Oh lord I will be happy if I am born as a worm in a house that belongs

> to a person who always uphlods and is happy being your dhAsan " .

>

> Let us see what our sivaishnava parAcharya kOdasthar mAran sadagopan

says..

> " adiyen siru jnanathAn aridh ilArku mariyAnai

> kadisaer thannay thuzhAykkaNNi punaindhAn thannay kaNannay

> sediyAr Akay adiyArai serthal thErkum thirumAlai

> adiyen kAnbAn alatruvan idhinil mikOr ayarvundaey? " TVM 1-5-7

>

> Further namAzhwar also adds to his above pAsuram in TVM 3-7-10

>

> " adiyArku vayamuNNdAlilai yannava sancheyum

> padiyadhu milsOzha vipadi yendhaipi rAnranku

> adiyAr adiyAr thamadi yAr adi yArthamk

> kadiyAr adiyAr tham, adi yAradi yongaley "

>

> One can see that the word " adiyen " being practtised in and around

> AzhwAr thirunagari whereas mAran sadgOpan namAzhwAr was born.

>

> so whenever you say " yes " " exactly " " you are right " " so be it " use the

> word adiyen

>

> regards

> dhAsAnu dhAsan venkatarAghava dhAsan

>

>

>

> Srimate Sri Laksminrisimha Divya Paduka Sevaka

> Srivan Satakopa Sri Narayana Yatindra Mahadesikaya Nama:

>

>