Guest guest Posted January 5, 2002 Report Share Posted January 5, 2002 Respected Ramanuja Bhaktas, Recently Sri Seshagiri started this series of postings on JETUSA on the wisdom of katho:panishad as provided to us by HH Sri Chinna Jeeyar Swamy in his ongoing lecture series. I am sharing this first insightful post with the members of this forum, with the request that Sri Seshagiri include the International Ramanuja Society in the distribution of these postings. adiye:n ra:ma:nuja da:san Mohan Jeeyar Thiruvadigale: Sharanam Jai Srimannaaraayana Dear Bhagavathas, Adiye:n's humble and respectful Pranamams. Jai Srimannaarayana. By the nirhethuka krupa and blessings of our Acharya, adiye:n is starting the Katho:panishad lectures. Utter helplessness and utter disqualification characterize adiye:n fully. Yet, Acharya's Krupa is the only hope and shelter. Praying to our Acharya's lotus feet, seeking the permission of all the Vaishnavas, adiye:n is making a small effort to present our Swamiji's Katho:panishad lectures as they are, very humbly. This mail serves as introduction to Vedas, Upanishads and Katho:panishad. VEDAS ****** If the Divya Prabandham of Mother Andal is the seed of the giant Vedic tree with its multitude of branches and leaves, " Upanishad " s are very elevated portions of it, like the main branches of the Vedic tree. As you know, Vedas are " Apaurusheya: " s, meaning they were not composed by anybody; not even by God. This is the uniqueness, extraordinary excellence and superiority of Vedic literature. There is no other piece of work which is " Apaurushe:ya " , in the entire history of the Universe. Generally, any piece of work composed by " purusha " will have 4 in-built defects in it. 1) Bhrama (not Brahma): Perceiving something as it really is not. 2) Prama:da: Insufficient intelligence to clearly comprehend something. 3) Vipralambha: Biasedness, partiality in our compositions because of our attachments. If a person is devoted to some devatha, he will glorify him to be superior to any other God etc. 4) Ashakthatha: Inability to express everything we either know or experience. For instance, you can't explain the taste of a substance just by your words. Similarly you can't explain your feelings like hunger, thirst etc just with words. So, Vedas are the ONLY authority for showing things as they are. They are completely free from any kind of defects whatsoever. One more logic is also given. How do you find who is your father? It is impossible to trace your father out without the help of your mother. One may say, I will find on the basis of genetic fingerprinting etc, but consider the possibility mathematically; even with reasonable assumptions, it will take thousands of years for the person to find his father on this basis and it is extremely complex and painstaking. For a simple minded person, his father is , whomever his mother shows. IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER WHAT LAKHS OF PEOPLE OUT THERE ARE BELIEVING WHO MY FATHER IS; MY MOTHER'S SINGLE OPINION IS FINAL AND OUTWEIGHS ALL OTHER OPINIONS. In other words, mother is the ONLY authority for showing our father. That's all. The only requirement is one's mother should be chaste and speak the truth. Vedas are often referred to as " Veda Matha " , for it directs us to the Supreme Father, Srimannaarayana, without equivocation and duplicity. And Vedas are the only authority in showing us our Father. Unfortunately we believe the words of foolish people and think that every Tom, Dick and Harry is " Bhagavan " . Or sometimes, like that boy, we set out to experiment who the Lord is, on our own. All those efforts are such a waste of time! Vedas are for humans not for animals, as there is no further degradation in animal bodies. They naturally follow what they are ordained to, unlike human bodies which can be used for both improving or degrading our consciousness. So, for anyone aspiring to improve his quality of life, an understanding of the imports of Vedas is a pre-requisite. DIVISION OF VEDAS ******************* In olden days, many great people used to excel in their understanding of the Veda. Hanuman, Bheeshma are examples for this. Foreseeing the complete inability of the future generations, Veda Vyasa, so mercifully bifurcated the Vedas into 4 broad categories besides an indivisible part called " Eka:yana " . Each of the 4 Vedas has two clearly defined portions in it. Poorva Bhaga: ---------------- This part describes the methods of observing different Karma in a religious way. It discloses the consequences of proper conduct, observance of actions and improper conduct, improper observance of actions. How one should perform different sacrifices, Karmas in this world in a Vedic, ethical and lofty manner are described. Obviously, the knowledge disclosed in these portions doesn't go beyond bodily platform. It only shows how to fulfill our bodily necessities and desires in a proper way. Uthara Bhaga: --------------- When one keeps on observing the actions in a religious manner for quite some time, one definitely becomes inquisitive as to what might be the reason behind all this manifestation? One ponders more and more about our existence, the identity and nature of souls and their relationship with the Prakruthi, Devathas and the Lord. Naturally, as his consciousness evolves, he becomes " Uth " , higher, more mature and wants to know about the " Thathva " that supervises the whole Universe and its affairs. One wants to become detached and wants to experience that continuous, pure, uncontaminated happiness ( " Thara " ). So, this part of the Vedas are for " Uthara:s " . Those who are more evolved in understanding and try to become situated in their natural pure bliss position are fit to study this portion of the Vedas. So, Uthara Bhaga is also called Brahma Bhagam, as " Brahma " means that which is full of happiness and that which can grant such bliss to all if they approach it in a proper way. In other words, if Poorva Bhagam gives an indirect, myopic view of the Absolute Truth, Brahma Bhaga gives a more direct description of the Lord and the secrets of His dealings with this world through the agency of the devathas. The most confidential knowledge about Lord is accessible directly in this Uthara Bhaga. UPANISHADS ************* Upanishads fall in the category of Brahma Bhaga. " Upa " means near, " Nishanna " , means showing, disclosing. Upanishads bring Lord closer to our understanding by describing Lord with different examples and beautiful analogies, hence the name. Katho:panishad ------------------ Katho:panishad is identified as the third of the Upanishads, Isha, Kena being the first two. So, for all those desirous of learning the most confidential understandings of the Vedas, who really want to experience that eternal Anandam, Katho:panishad study and meditation on its meaning is essential. Under the brilliant guidance of the lotus feet of our Acharya, let us be determined to learn this Upanishad step by step. Kindly forgive adiye:n for adiye:n's ignorance and any lack of understanding. Jai Srimannaarayana, adiye:n. REVIEW QUESTIONS (For adiye:n's own benefit, adiye:n wrote these. May be, they will become useful to some of you.) ******************* 1) For Sri Vaishnavas, what is considered to be the seed of Vedas? 2) What are the 4 defects in the works of human beings? Can you think of an example for each defect? Discuss how modern literature is hoax, in the light of these 4 defects. 3) If that is the case (refer to Q.3), how Valmiki's Sri Ramayana, Parashara Maharshi's Vishnu Purana etc are considered to be " Pramanas " for us? Were they not penned by human beings? [Clue: Something can be called Pramana when it doesn't say anything against what Vedas declare. Also, it should have been accepted by our pu:rva Acharyas.] 4) Why there is no degradation of consciousness in animals? Is there degradation of consciousness in devathas? What is the unique facility offerred in human birth? 5) If somebody has to categorize something, there should be some basis for such categorization. On what basis Vedas were classified and labelled by Veda Vyasa? 6) Match the following: (i) Uthara Bhagam 1. Deals with Yagnam, methods of performing activites in a religious manner (ii) Apaurusheya 2. Quantum Electro Dynamics (iii) Upanishads 3. Belong to Brahma Bhagam of Vedas. (iv) Paurusheya but Pramana 4. Also called Brahma Bhagam (v) Poorva Bhagam 5. Vishnu Puranam (vi) Not a pramanam at all 6. Should consult Uthara Bhagam (vii) Intelligent Man 7. Vedas (viii) " Purusha " 8. Should consult Poorva Bhagam 9. Male 10. Any soul living in the body of nine gates.(Nava Dvaara Puri....) 11. Should simply waste his life in earning money. Send your FREE holiday greetings online at Greetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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