Did Arjuna not worship Lord Krishna

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Q180) Did Arjuna not worship Lord Krishna who was the

human incarnation?

 

Ans) Arjuna is called as Nara. Nara means a human

being. He perfectly represented the state of a human

being. The human being has always a mixed feeling. He

is a mixture of faith and doubt. Due to faith Pandavas

won the war. But due to the doubt, they were really

defeated because all their sons who are the heirs of

kingdom were killed. Nara was associated with Narayana

for thousands of years. But still he slipped from the

grip. Arjuna was born as a hunter in the next birth.

Sometimes he believed Krishna and sometimes he

doubted. One-day Krishna asked Arjuna to lookup the

top of tree, whether there was a bird. Arjuna told

yes. Then Krishna told whether that was a flower.

Arjuna again told yes. Then Krishna asked Arjuna

regarding his blind support. Then Arjuna told that

whatever Krishna says, it will happen. This is a scene

of full belief. But you see another scene. Arjuna was

prepared to fight with Krishna to protect Gaya. This

is the scene of full doubt. Had he believed Krishna

fully, what is the necessity for him to go to

Himalayas to get Pasupatastram? Just like the present

human being, he was fond of energetic body of God. Due

to this, he did long penance and had the vision of

Shiva, the energetic body. He worshipped Shivalingam

in Himalayas, which is a model representing the

formless God. The Shiva lingam indicates the wave of

energy. It represents God in the form of all pervading

energy. He kept a small statue of Hanuman on the

chariot and the picture of Hanuman on the flag. This

shows that human beings are fond of statues and

pictures. Arjuna also saw Shiva in energetic body

walking before the chariot. But, Krishna was sitting

in the front of chariot as driver. But, he did not

identify Krishna as God. The energetic body in front,

the statue above and the human incarnation in the

front are available. Even Ravana worshipped Shiva

lingam and saw shiva in the energetic body after doing

penance. But, he disbelieved Rama, who is the

incarnation. Hanuman and Gopikas had full faith on the

human incarnation (Rama and Krishna) without any

doubt. Hanuman just slipped in one incident. He fought

with Rama for the sake of his mother. Dharmaraja also

just slipped once. He refused to tell a lie even

though Krishna ordered. Thus both Hanuman and

Dharmaraja were having 99% belief. Ravana stands for

complete disbelief and Arjuna is in between them.

Hanuman and Gopikas are the candidates for IAS

examination. Rama gave a very tough question paper.

Rama was protected by Hanuman in several incidents.

Rama also acted highly selfish by showing lot of

interest on His wife. He told Ravana, to return back

His wife and live happily. If Ravana did this, Rama

will not harm him in spite of his atrocities. That

means Rama is interested in His wife and not in the

welfare of society. Similarly, Gopikas were ripened

sages and were IAS candidates. Krishna acted as a

thief and mischeivous in all respects. Neither Hanuman

nor Gopikas got any doubt. If one understands these

three epics, the salvation can be achieved. They are

not simple stories. Every story has a hidden ocean of

spiritual knowledge. Every Purana has such treasure of

spiritual knowledge. Hanuman and Gopikas never

worshipped formless God or God in energetic body or

God as statues and photos. They worshipped the human

incarnation only with a rock of faith. But Arjuna

worshipped God in other ways. Ramayana and Bhagavatham

speak aobout the achievement of God. Bhaaratam speaks

the problems in such spiritual effort. There is no

difficulty in understanding or in accepting formless

God or God in energetic body or God as statue or

picture. But, the human incarnation shows birth,

death, hunger, illness etc. in the gross body. This

creates doubt. The doubt becomes stronge when the

human incarnation exhibits bad qualities (Rajas and

tamas) through the suble body. Actually God enters

only the energetic bodies or the living bodies. In the

upper world, God is seen in energetic body. But, such

energetic forms are meant only for the souls having

energetic bodies in the upper world. When the soul

leaves the gross body in this world, it immediately

takes energetic body to go to the upper world. In this

world, God eneters animals etc. also but they are not

for preaching. They are only for destroying the

demons. Mainly He enters the human body for the sake

of human beings. Regarding statues and photos, they

are only representative models. You can worship them

assuming that they are God. But actually they are not

God. Similarly you can love your son assuming him as

child Krishna. But you should remember that it is only

representative worship and your son is not actually

Krishna. Thus Brahma Vidya is most difficult in

understanding and accepting human incarnation. Unless

egoism and jealousy are completely destroyed, none can

accept the human incarnation. That is why people see

Brahma Vidya as most difficult subject.

 

 

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Gayathry wot is wrong with you ! how could these doubts come in your mind u need a proper counsiling.Gayathry <agayathry wrote:

Q180) Did Arjuna not worship Lord Krishna who was thehuman incarnation?Ans) Arjuna is called as Nara. Nara means a humanbeing. He perfectly represented the state of a humanbeing. The human being has always a mixed feeling. Heis a mixture of faith and doubt. Due to faith Pandavaswon the war. But due to the doubt, they were reallydefeated because all their sons who are the heirs ofkingdom were killed. Nara was associated with Narayanafor thousands of years. But still he slipped from thegrip. Arjuna was born as a hunter in the next birth.Sometimes he believed Krishna and sometimes hedoubted. One-day Krishna asked Arjuna to lookup thetop of tree, whether there was a bird. Arjuna toldyes. Then Krishna told whether that was a flower.Arjuna again told yes. Then Krishna asked Arjunaregarding his blind support. Then Arjuna

told thatwhatever Krishna says, it will happen. This is a sceneof full belief. But you see another scene. Arjuna wasprepared to fight with Krishna to protect Gaya. Thisis the scene of full doubt. Had he believed Krishnafully, what is the necessity for him to go toHimalayas to get Pasupatastram? Just like the presenthuman being, he was fond of energetic body of God. Dueto this, he did long penance and had the vision ofShiva, the energetic body. He worshipped Shivalingamin Himalayas, which is a model representing theformless God. The Shiva lingam indicates the wave ofenergy. It represents God in the form of all pervadingenergy. He kept a small statue of Hanuman on thechariot and the picture of Hanuman on the flag. Thisshows that human beings are fond of statues andpictures. Arjuna also saw Shiva in energetic bodywalking before the chariot. But, Krishna was sittingin the front of chariot as driver. But, he did

notidentify Krishna as God. The energetic body in front,the statue above and the human incarnation in thefront are available. Even Ravana worshipped Shivalingam and saw shiva in the energetic body after doingpenance. But, he disbelieved Rama, who is theincarnation. Hanuman and Gopikas had full faith on thehuman incarnation (Rama and Krishna) without anydoubt. Hanuman just slipped in one incident. He foughtwith Rama for the sake of his mother. Dharmaraja alsojust slipped once. He refused to tell a lie eventhough Krishna ordered. Thus both Hanuman andDharmaraja were having 99% belief. Ravana stands forcomplete disbelief and Arjuna is in between them.Hanuman and Gopikas are the candidates for IASexamination. Rama gave a very tough question paper.Rama was protected by Hanuman in several incidents.Rama also acted highly selfish by showing lot ofinterest on His wife. He told Ravana, to return backHis wife and live

happily. If Ravana did this, Ramawill not harm him in spite of his atrocities. Thatmeans Rama is interested in His wife and not in thewelfare of society. Similarly, Gopikas were ripenedsages and were IAS candidates. Krishna acted as athief and mischeivous in all respects. Neither Hanumannor Gopikas got any doubt. If one understands thesethree epics, the salvation can be achieved. They arenot simple stories. Every story has a hidden ocean ofspiritual knowledge. Every Purana has such treasure ofspiritual knowledge. Hanuman and Gopikas neverworshipped formless God or God in energetic body orGod as statues and photos. They worshipped the humanincarnation only with a rock of faith. But Arjunaworshipped God in other ways. Ramayana and Bhagavathamspeak aobout the achievement of God. Bhaaratam speaksthe problems in such spiritual effort. There is nodifficulty in understanding or in accepting formlessGod or God in

energetic body or God as statue orpicture. But, the human incarnation shows birth,death, hunger, illness etc. in the gross body. Thiscreates doubt. The doubt becomes stronge when thehuman incarnation exhibits bad qualities (Rajas andtamas) through the suble body. Actually God entersonly the energetic bodies or the living bodies. In theupper world, God is seen in energetic body. But, suchenergetic forms are meant only for the souls havingenergetic bodies in the upper world. When the soulleaves the gross body in this world, it immediatelytakes energetic body to go to the upper world. In thisworld, God eneters animals etc. also but they are notfor preaching. They are only for destroying thedemons. Mainly He enters the human body for the sakeof human beings. Regarding statues and photos, theyare only representative models. You can worship themassuming that they are God. But actually they are notGod. Similarly you

can love your son assuming him aschild Krishna. But you should remember that it is onlyrepresentative worship and your son is not actuallyKrishna. Thus Brahma Vidya is most difficult inunderstanding and accepting human incarnation. Unlessegoism and jealousy are completely destroyed, none canaccept the human incarnation. That is why people seeBrahma Vidya as most difficult subject.______________________ Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger./download/index.html-----------------srirangarAja charaNAmbhuja rAja hamsamsrimad parAnkusa padhAmbhuja brungarAjam|sri bhattanAtha parakAla mukhAbhja mitramsrivatsachihnna saranam yathirAjameedE||I pay homage to Sri Ramanuja, the swan who has chosen

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Dear All :

 

" Agayathry " is sending strange communications to many Vaishnava web sites

since January 2005 .

..

Many of these messages are not based on SaasthrAs or the traditions nourished

by our AchAryAs . It is not her message . It is from some one , whom she obviously

thinks highly of . If you look at the web site of her source of inspiration , what I am referring

to will become clear . She means well but the messages coming thru are muddy

and disturbing .

 

" She " seems to thirve on sending messages to unmoderated VaishNavite e-lists .

I have removed her from "her" my web sites of Oppiliappan since these messages

are interwoven with unpalatable and offensive views such as this one below .

 

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rahul atul

Sunday, May 15, 2005 8:51 AM

Re: Did Arjuna not worship Lord Krishna

 

Gayathry wot is wrong with you ! how could these doubts come in your mind u need a proper counsiling.Gayathry <agayathry wrote: Q180) Did Arjuna not worship Lord Krishna who was thehuman incarnation?Ans) Arjuna is called as Nara. Nara means a humanbeing. He perfectly represented the state of a humanbeing. The human being has always a mixed feeling. Heis a mixture of faith and doubt. Due to faith Pandavaswon the war. But due to the doubt, they were reallydefeated because all their sons who are the heirs ofkingdom were killed. Nara was associated with Narayanafor thousands of years. But still he slipped from thegrip. Arjuna was born as a hunter in the next birth.Sometimes he believed Krishna and sometimes hedoubted. One-day Krishna asked Arjuna to lookup thetop of tree, whether there was a bird. Arjuna toldyes. Then Krishna told whether that was a flower.Arjuna again told yes. Then Krishna asked Arjunaregarding his blind support. Then Arjuna told thatwhatever Krishna says, it will happen. This is a sceneof full belief. But you see another scene. Arjuna wasprepared to fight with Krishna to protect Gaya. Thisis the scene of full doubt. Had he believed Krishnafully, what is the necessity for him to go toHimalayas to get Pasupatastram? Just like the presenthuman being, he was fond of energetic body of God. Dueto this, he did long penance and had the vision ofShiva, the energetic body. He worshipped Shivalingamin Himalayas, which is a model representing theformless God. The Shiva lingam indicates the wave ofenergy. It represents God in the form of all pervadingenergy. He kept a small statue of Hanuman on thechariot and the picture of Hanuman on the flag. Thisshows that human beings are fond of statues andpictures. Arjuna also saw Shiva in energetic bodywalking before the chariot. But, Krishna was sittingin the front of chariot as driver. But, he did notidentify Krishna as God. The energetic body in front,the statue above and the human incarnation in thefront are available. Even Ravana worshipped Shivalingam and saw shiva in the energetic body after doingpenance. But, he disbelieved Rama, who is theincarnation. Hanuman and Gopikas had full faith on thehuman incarnation (Rama and Krishna) without anydoubt. Hanuman just slipped in one incident. He foughtwith Rama for the sake of his mother. Dharmaraja alsojust slipped once. He refused to tell a lie eventhough Krishna ordered. Thus both Hanuman andDharmaraja were having 99% belief. Ravana stands forcomplete disbelief and Arjuna is in between them.Hanuman and Gopikas are the candidates for IASexamination. Rama gave a very tough question paper.Rama was protected by Hanuman in several incidents.Rama also acted highly selfish by showing lot ofinterest on His wife. He told Ravana, to return backHis wife and live happily. If Ravana did this, Ramawill not harm him in spite of his atrocities. Thatmeans Rama is interested in His wife and not in thewelfare of society. Similarly, Gopikas were ripenedsages and were IAS candidates. Krishna acted as athief and mischeivous in all respects. Neither Hanumannor Gopikas got any doubt. If one understands thesethree epics, the salvation can be achieved. They arenot simple stories. Every story has a hidden ocean ofspiritual knowledge. Every Purana has such treasure ofspiritual knowledge. Hanuman and Gopikas neverworshipped formless God or God in energetic body orGod as statues and photos. They worshipped the humanincarnation only with a rock of faith. But Arjunaworshipped God in other ways. Ramayana and Bhagavathamspeak aobout the achievement of God. Bhaaratam speaksthe problems in such spiritual effort. There is nodifficulty in understanding or in accepting formlessGod or God in energetic body or God as statue orpicture. But, the human incarnation shows birth,death, hunger, illness etc. in the gross body. Thiscreates doubt. The doubt becomes stronge when thehuman incarnation exhibits bad qualities (Rajas andtamas) through the suble body. Actually God entersonly the energetic bodies or the living bodies. In theupper world, God is seen in energetic body. But, suchenergetic forms are meant only for the souls havingenergetic bodies in the upper world. When the soulleaves the gross body in this world, it immediatelytakes energetic body to go to the upper world. In thisworld, God eneters animals etc. also but they are notfor preaching. They are only for destroying thedemons. Mainly He enters the human body for the sakeof human beings. Regarding statues and photos, theyare only representative models. You can worship themassuming that they are God. But actually they are notGod. Similarly you can love your son assuming him aschild Krishna. But you should remember that it is onlyrepresentative worship and your son is not actuallyKrishna. Thus Brahma Vidya is most difficult inunderstanding and accepting human incarnation. Unlessegoism and jealousy are completely destroyed, none canaccept the human incarnation. That is why people seeBrahma Vidya as most difficult subject.______________________ Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger./download/index.html-----------------srirangarAja charaNAmbhuja rAja hamsamsrimad parAnkusa padhAmbhuja brungarAjam|sri bhattanAtha parakAla mukhAbhja mitramsrivatsachihnna saranam yathirAjameedE||I pay homage to Sri Ramanuja, the swan who has chosen the Lotus Feet of Sri Ranganatha as his refuge;who is collecting the pollen and nectar from the flower-like feet of Parankusa (NammAzhwAr); who brightens like the sun the faces of Bhattanatha (PeriAzhwAr) and Parakala (Thirumangai AzhwAr), andwho is the refuge of Kuresa!

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Dear sir

Can u tell me what is wrong in gayatri's

mail.Is that thought against vishitatvaitham. Plz tell

me. as far as i'm concerned it was a informative

mail.But if there is any thing controvertial or any

hidden msg plz inform

 

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--- Sadagopan <sgopan wrote:

 

> Dear All :

>

> " Agayathry " is sending strange communications to

> many Vaishnava web sites

> since January 2005 .

> .

> Many of these messages are not based on SaasthrAs or

> the traditions nourished

> by our AchAryAs . It is not her message . It is from

> some one , whom she obviously

> thinks highly of . If you look at the web site of

> her source of inspiration , what I am referring

> to will become clear . She means well but the

> messages coming thru are muddy

> and disturbing .

>

> " She " seems to thirve on sending messages to

> unmoderated VaishNavite e-lists .

> I have removed her from " her " my web sites of

> Oppiliappan since these messages

> are interwoven with unpalatable and offensive views

> such as this one below .

>

> V.Sadagopan

> Moderator , Saranagathy and Oppiliappan Lists .

>

> -

> rahul atul

>

> Sunday, May 15, 2005 8:51 AM

> Re: Did Arjuna not

> worship Lord Krishna

>

>

> Gayathry wot is wrong with you ! how could these

> doubts come in your mind u need a proper counsiling.

>

> Gayathry <agayathry wrote:

> Q180) Did Arjuna not worship Lord Krishna who

> was the

> human incarnation?

>

> Ans) Arjuna is called as Nara. Nara means a

> human

> being. He perfectly represented the state of a

> human

> being. The human being has always a mixed

> feeling. He

> is a mixture of faith and doubt. Due to faith

> Pandavas

> won the war. But due to the doubt, they were

> really

> defeated because all their sons who are the

> heirs of

> kingdom were killed. Nara was associated with

> Narayana

> for thousands of years. But still he slipped

> from the

> grip. Arjuna was born as a hunter in the next

> birth.

> Sometimes he believed Krishna and sometimes he

> doubted. One-day Krishna asked Arjuna to lookup

> the

> top of tree, whether there was a bird. Arjuna

> told

> yes. Then Krishna told whether that was a

> flower.

> Arjuna again told yes. Then Krishna asked Arjuna

> regarding his blind support. Then Arjuna told

> that

> whatever Krishna says, it will happen. This is a

> scene

> of full belief. But you see another scene.

> Arjuna was

> prepared to fight with Krishna to protect Gaya.

> This

> is the scene of full doubt. Had he believed

> Krishna

> fully, what is the necessity for him to go to

> Himalayas to get Pasupatastram? Just like the

> present

> human being, he was fond of energetic body of

> God. Due

> to this, he did long penance and had the vision

> of

> Shiva, the energetic body. He worshipped

> Shivalingam

> in Himalayas, which is a model representing the

> formless God. The Shiva lingam indicates the

> wave of

> energy. It represents God in the form of all

> pervading

> energy. He kept a small statue of Hanuman on the

> chariot and the picture of Hanuman on the flag.

> This

> shows that human beings are fond of statues and

> pictures. Arjuna also saw Shiva in energetic

> body

> walking before the chariot. But, Krishna was

> sitting

> in the front of chariot as driver. But, he did

> not

> identify Krishna as God. The energetic body in

> front,

> the statue above and the human incarnation in

> the

> front are available. Even Ravana worshipped

> Shiva

> lingam and saw shiva in the energetic body after

> doing

> penance. But, he disbelieved Rama, who is the

> incarnation. Hanuman and Gopikas had full faith

> on the

> human incarnation (Rama and Krishna) without any

> doubt. Hanuman just slipped in one incident. He

> fought

> with Rama for the sake of his mother. Dharmaraja

> also

> just slipped once. He refused to tell a lie even

> though Krishna ordered. Thus both Hanuman and

> Dharmaraja were having 99% belief. Ravana stands

> for

> complete disbelief and Arjuna is in between

> them.

> Hanuman and Gopikas are the candidates for IAS

> examination. Rama gave a very tough question

> paper.

> Rama was protected by Hanuman in several

> incidents.

> Rama also acted highly selfish by showing lot of

> interest on His wife. He told Ravana, to return

> back

> His wife and live happily. If Ravana did this,

> Rama

> will not harm him in spite of his atrocities.

> That

> means Rama is interested in His wife and not in

> the

> welfare of society. Similarly, Gopikas were

> ripened

> sages and were IAS candidates. Krishna acted as

> a

> thief and mischeivous in all respects. Neither

> Hanuman

> nor Gopikas got any doubt. If one understands

> these

> three epics, the salvation can be achieved. They

> are

> not simple stories. Every story has a hidden

> ocean of

> spiritual knowledge. Every Purana has such

> treasure of

> spiritual knowledge. Hanuman and Gopikas never

> worshipped formless God or God in energetic body

> or

> God as statues and photos. They worshipped the

> human

> incarnation only with a rock of faith. But

> Arjuna

> worshipped God in other ways. Ramayana and

> Bhagavatham

> speak aobout the achievement of God. Bhaaratam

> speaks

> the problems in such spiritual effort. There is

> no

> difficulty in understanding or in accepting

> formless

> God or God in energetic body or God as statue or

> picture. But, the human incarnation shows birth,

> death, hunger, illness etc. in the gross body.

> This

> creates doubt. The doubt becomes stronge when

> the

> human incarnation exhibits bad qualities (Rajas

> and

> tamas) through the suble body. Actually God

> enters

> only the energetic bodies or the living bodies.

> In the

> upper world, God is seen in energetic body. But,

> such

> energetic forms are meant only for the souls

> having

> energetic bodies in the upper world. When the

> soul

> leaves the gross body in this world, it

> immediately

> takes energetic body to go to the upper world.

> In this

> world, God eneters animals etc. also but they

> are not

> for preaching. They are only for destroying the

> demons. Mainly He enters the human body for the

> sake

> of human beings. Regarding statues and photos,

> they

> are only representative models. You can worship

> them

> assuming that they are God. But actually they

> are not

> God. Similarly you can love your son assuming

> him

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I wonder who the person is answering this following

question. I mean, is that the authoritative answer of

some AchArya, because many points sound quite

contradictory? As for as I know, Sri vaishNava

sAmpradAya identifies deities as the most merciful

form of the Lord, as sung by the aLwArs. To be more

precise, our AchAryAs praise the deities in the

temples to be more wonderful than the Lord Himself in

SrI vaikuntha. If I understand the following

description properly, it sounds extremely ridiculous

and against shAstrAs and AchAryAs. I request the

author of the mail or other learned vaishNavAs to make

a clear statement.

 

dAsOham,

SrIperumbUdUru vEnkaTa vinOd.

 

 

desikasampradaya , Gayathry <agayathry>

wrote:

> Q180) Did Arjuna not worship Lord Krishna who was the

> human incarnation?

>

> Ans) Arjuna is called as Nara. Nara means a human

> being. He perfectly represented the state of a human

> being. The human being has always a mixed feeling. He

> is a mixture of faith and doubt. Due to faith Pandavas

> won the war. But due to the doubt, they were really

> defeated because all their sons who are the heirs of

> kingdom were killed. Nara was associated with Narayana

> for thousands of years. But still he slipped from the

> grip. Arjuna was born as a hunter in the next birth.

> Sometimes he believed Krishna and sometimes he

> doubted. One-day Krishna asked Arjuna to lookup the

> top of tree, whether there was a bird. Arjuna told

> yes. Then Krishna told whether that was a flower.

> Arjuna again told yes. Then Krishna asked Arjuna

> regarding his blind support. Then Arjuna told that

> whatever Krishna says, it will happen. This is a scene

> of full belief. But you see another scene. Arjuna was

> prepared to fight with Krishna to protect Gaya. This

> is the scene of full doubt. Had he believed Krishna

> fully, what is the necessity for him to go to

> Himalayas to get Pasupatastram? Just like the present

> human being, he was fond of energetic body of God. Due

> to this, he did long penance and had the vision of

> Shiva, the energetic body. He worshipped Shivalingam

> in Himalayas, which is a model representing the

> formless God. The Shiva lingam indicates the wave of

> energy. It represents God in the form of all pervading

> energy. He kept a small statue of Hanuman on the

> chariot and the picture of Hanuman on the flag. This

> shows that human beings are fond of statues and

> pictures. Arjuna also saw Shiva in energetic body

> walking before the chariot. But, Krishna was sitting

> in the front of chariot as driver. But, he did not

> identify Krishna as God. The energetic body in front,

> the statue above and the human incarnation in the

> front are available. Even Ravana worshipped Shiva

> lingam and saw shiva in the energetic body after doing

> penance. But, he disbelieved Rama, who is the

> incarnation. Hanuman and Gopikas had full faith on the

> human incarnation (Rama and Krishna) without any

> doubt. Hanuman just slipped in one incident. He fought

> with Rama for the sake of his mother. Dharmaraja also

> just slipped once. He refused to tell a lie even

> though Krishna ordered. Thus both Hanuman and

> Dharmaraja were having 99% belief. Ravana stands for

> complete disbelief and Arjuna is in between them.

> Hanuman and Gopikas are the candidates for IAS

> examination. Rama gave a very tough question paper.

> Rama was protected by Hanuman in several incidents.

> Rama also acted highly selfish by showing lot of

> interest on His wife. He told Ravana, to return back

> His wife and live happily. If Ravana did this, Rama

> will not harm him in spite of his atrocities. That

> means Rama is interested in His wife and not in the

> welfare of society. Similarly, Gopikas were ripened

> sages and were IAS candidates. Krishna acted as a

> thief and mischeivous in all respects. Neither Hanuman

> nor Gopikas got any doubt. If one understands these

> three epics, the salvation can be achieved. They are

> not simple stories. Every story has a hidden ocean of

> spiritual knowledge. Every Purana has such treasure of

> spiritual knowledge. Hanuman and Gopikas never

> worshipped formless God or God in energetic body or

> God as statues and photos. They worshipped the human

> incarnation only with a rock of faith. But Arjuna

> worshipped God in other ways. Ramayana and Bhagavatham

> speak aobout the achievement of God. Bhaaratam speaks

> the problems in such spiritual effort. There is no

> difficulty in understanding or in accepting formless

> God or God in energetic body or God as statue or

> picture. But, the human incarnation shows birth,

> death, hunger, illness etc. in the gross body. This

> creates doubt. The doubt becomes stronge when the

> human incarnation exhibits bad qualities (Rajas and

> tamas) through the suble body. Actually God enters

> only the energetic bodies or the living bodies. In the

> upper world, God is seen in energetic body. But, such

> energetic forms are meant only for the souls having

> energetic bodies in the upper world. When the soul

> leaves the gross body in this world, it immediately

> takes energetic body to go to the upper world. In this

> world, God eneters animals etc. also but they are not

> for preaching. They are only for destroying the

> demons. Mainly He enters the human body for the sake

> of human beings. Regarding statues and photos, they

> are only representative models. You can worship them

> assuming that they are God. But actually they are not

> God. Similarly you can love your son assuming him as

> child Krishna. But you should remember that it is only

> representative worship and your son is not actually

> Krishna. Thus Brahma Vidya is most difficult in

> understanding and accepting human incarnation. Unless

> egoism and jealousy are completely destroyed, none can

> accept the human incarnation. That is why people see

> Brahma Vidya as most difficult subject.

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