Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 DivyaPrbanda Santhai , veda santhai, doing kainkaryam during purapaadu or participating in uthsavams and sevakala paddhathee during subam - these all are possible only Through Guru/acharyan of specific subject since it is not an easy joke like giving commentry for azwar pasurams,vedam,idhihasa puranams nowdays. (Now a days everybody says everything at everywhere without adhereing any principles preached by their kalakshepa acharyas). SriNigmantha desikan says in srimad rahasyathrayasaram 1.Ambalathil aval pori aakudhal - Meaing throwing rice porridge behind a body which is going to burryal ground for its last yatra. 2.VILAI CHANDU AAKUDHAL- SELLING THE SANDEL OF GOD FOR A PRICE 3.KURANGIN KAIYEL POOMALAI AAKUDHAL - GIVING THE FLOWER TO MONKEY) (Ref:- Sishya krithyadheekaram - Srimathrahasyathrayasaram) So If any body accquiring knowledge from our siddhantham, he should also follow the footsteps of our poorvacharya and should also do any kainkaryam without any discrimination between kainkaryams. Because of these discrimination only, now a days nobody wants to go to Madapalli kainkaryam eventhough v r saying everywhere " madapalli vandha manaum engal varthaiyul manniyadhey " . (Ref:- Sishyakrithyadikaram - Srimathrahasyathrayasaram) Everybody wants full right from their father grandfathers kainkaryam without following the life lead by them in day today life. Kindly rectify these errors first , then v will correct defects in divyaprabanda parayanam. SONAAL VIRODHUM IDHU AAGILUM SOLUVAN KelMINO - mEANING : bECAUSE OF THIS SAYING I WILL EARN DISPLEASURE , BUT DEFINITELY I WILL SAY AND U ALL SHOULD HEAR. NAMALWAR - THIRUVAIMOZHI - 3-9-1 NO MORE FURTHER DISSCUSSION FROM MY END, IF VIDWANS WANTS TO REPLY THEY CAN DO AND OTHERS CAN GIVE REJOINDER to them. --- On Wed, 2/18/09, Gopaul Lakshmanan <geelakshman wrote: Gopaul Lakshmanan <geelakshman Re: arulich cheyal anubhavam-1 - No question about it 'Santhai' is to be learnt and followed Oppiliappan Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 7:26 AM Swamins: There need not be any discussion about it. 'Santhai' is to be learnt and followed. If during marriages some one or ten paasurams are not recited or sung according to santhai that does not mean ALL the paasurams can be recited like that. May be when you sing the paasuram that is allowed during the marriage ceremony. 'Santhai' has been done for hundreds of years and just because in modern marriages it is not done does not give us permission to recite the rest 3989 passurams as we like. adiyen Lakshmana dAsan ______ raghunathan r <rraghunathan_ in > Oppiliappan Monday, February 16, 2009 3:27:26 AM Re: arulich cheyal anubhavam-1 Swamin. I am absolutely in agreement that words in pasurams should be given proper sandhi and should not be broken in an absurd manner. But what makes me wonder is as to how we practice and approve the way we break the words when we render " Varanam Ayiram " . The tune with the broken words is really excellent but the looking into the words broken, it makes one cry. Just see : Vaarana maayiram soozhava lamseithu naarana nambina dakkinnaan nenretheir poorana porkudam vaithuppu ramengum thoranam nattakka naakkanden thozhinaan I want to really know why such horrible breaking of words got approved and traditionally sung everywhere with no fingers raised even by most learned people. And if such absurd breaking of words is allowed, then what is the harm in people interested in learning, do it by themselves, though it might result in some wrongful breaking of words? Dasan Raghunathan --- On Sat, 2/14/09, Thirumalai Venkatesh <tvenkatesh55@ .co. in> wrote: Thirumalai Venkatesh <tvenkatesh55@ .co. in> Re: arulich cheyal anubhavam-1 Oppiliappan Saturday, February 14, 2009, 7:54 AM It is very correctly stated that santhai method is very important. Of late, it has been found that many people who have abiding interest to do sevakalam, take books and start chanting even without formal santhai. It is a quite welcome sign that many people get interested in doing kainkaryams in the temple. But at the same time, there is a problem with regard to actual breaking of pasurams and many of them do break the stanzas very badly leading to an utter confusion. Such people may consider undergoing a formal santhai before using the book. This is my humbale suggestion. T Venkatesh --- On Fri, 13/2/09, Padmanabhan <aazhwar (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Padmanabhan <aazhwar (AT) gmail (DOT) com> arulich cheyal anubhavam-1 " vanamamalai " <vanamamalai>, " Sri Ramanuja " <ramanuja@ s.com>, " oppiliappan " <oppiliappan@ . com>, " " < >, " divya desam " <>, " parichaya " <parichaya@grou ps.com> Friday, 13 February, 2009, 6:41 PM Arulich cheyal anubhavam & #2949; & #2992; & #3009; & #2995; & #3007; & #2970; & #3021; & #2970; & #3014; & #2991; & #2994; & #3\ 021; & #2949; & #2985; & #3009; & #2986; & #2997; & #2990; & #3021; When we chant arulich cheyal, due to various reasons, some of us , including myself, chant wrongly. Basically, santhai method of learning is must to chant properly with splitting of words done propelry. The learning process should be error-free. When the learning is with mistkaes, the mistake gets carride thorugh ones life. This apart, the memory loss/lapse is another reason. The lack of adequate knowledge of our classical divine tamil- & #2970; & #3014; & #2984; & #3021; & #2980; & #3007; & #2993; & #2980; & #3021; & #2980; & #2980; & #2990; & #3007; & #2996; & #3021; & #2963; & #2970; & #3016; -is another reason. The slip of the tongue can be attirbuted when most experienced souls chant with error. I have seen great stalwarts chant wrongly but reprimand themselves by hitting on their head with folded hands.. When a person chants with mistake, the fellow goshti mate correct it in a mild manner which is acknowledged with folded hands. The chanting of AzvAr pAsuram-s without santhai coupled with lack of understaning leads to disaster and sometimes funny sounds. SrivaishNavites brethern have narrated their experiecnes which is in lighter vein, but thought provoking in this regard. Let us go into a few of these and share our experiences mutually dasan vanamamalai padmanabhan ______ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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