Guest guest Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 WITNESS ARJUNA AS WITNESS In the earlier positng it was seen that srE mArkaNdEya maharishi was called as a witness. swAmi nam-AzhwAr has also referred arjuna while establishing the supremacy of the Lord. While describing the 2nd pathu of thiru voi mozhi, srE azhagia maNavALap perumAL nAyanAr in AchArya hrdhyam : " sOrAdha mUvA ......'kaLvA, thErthan' enRu vachaNa prakthyakshangaL, kAtti.. " AchArya Hrdhaym 220; Here, the supremacy of the Lord is being described through arjunA and shivA. This is done through the vision seen by arjunA " thErthan' and words uttered by shivA " kaLvA " " thErthan " ' 'thErthan ulagalandha sEvadi mEal pUndhAmam, sErthi avaiyE sivan mudi meAl than kaNdu pArthan thelindhozhindha painthuzhAyAn perumai pErthum oruvarAl pEsak kidandhadhE " thiru voi mozhi 2-8-6; arjunA wanted to worship shivA for attaining pAsupadhAsthram. For this purpose, Lord krishNA offered His divine feet on which arjuna showered flowers which he later saw in the head of shivA. Then, he realised the Lord's supremacy. The words " thAn kaNdu' is of essence here. It is not hearsay for arjunA. He himself had the vision-first hand experience. Should such experience be subjected to further analysis? Edu vyAkyAnam reads as follows: " Apthar sollak kEatkai anRikkEa, sruthi smrithigaLAl anRikkEa, thAnE kaNdAn AyiRRu " arjuna did not realise this fact by hearsay from friends or comprehended the supremacy from sruthi or smrithi. He was a witness to the vision for understanding the supremacy of the Lord. (to be continued) vanamamalai padmanabhan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 Sri Padmanabhan, arjunA wanted to worship shivA for attaining pAsupadhAsthram. For this purpose, Lord krishNA offered His divine feet on which arjuna showered flowers which he later saw in the head of shivA. Then, he realised the Lord's supremacy. I would appreciate if you could elaborate on the above as to why Lord intervened when arjuna wanted to do tapas for Shiva. Also, as to why Arjuna, instead of Parabrahman, chose Shiva. He could have got Narayana Asthra in return, which is more powerful than all the asthras put together. " sOrAdha mUvA ......'kaLvA, thErthan' enRu vachaNa prakthyakshangaL, kAtti.. " AchArya Hrdhaym 220; Can you please translate - word by word, the above so that I can get to the essence of this sukti. Thanks Sukumar Sri Krishna Parabrahmane Namah! nsp [sMTP:aazhwar] 13/11/2003 9:39 PM ramanuja; oppiliappan; vanamamalai Cc: Thiruvengadam Thirumalai; srirangapriya sampath; madhavan WITNESS III WITNESS ARJUNA AS WITNESS In the earlier positng it was seen that srE mArkaNdEya maharishi was called as a witness. swAmi nam-AzhwAr has also referred arjuna while establishing the supremacy of the Lord. While describing the 2nd pathu of thiru voi mozhi, srE azhagia maNavALap perumAL nAyanAr in AchArya hrdhyam : " sOrAdha mUvA ......'kaLvA, thErthan' enRu vachaNa prakthyakshangaL, kAtti.. " AchArya Hrdhaym 220; Here, the supremacy of the Lord is being described through arjunA and shivA. This is done through the vision seen by arjunA " thErthan' and words uttered by shivA " kaLvA " " thErthan " ' 'thErthan ulagalandha sEvadi mEal pUndhAmam, sErthi avaiyE sivan mudi meAl than kaNdu pArthan thelindhozhindha painthuzhAyAn perumai pErthum oruvarAl pEsak kidandhadhE " thiru voi mozhi 2-8-6; arjunA wanted to worship shivA for attaining pAsupadhAsthram. For this purpose, Lord krishNA offered His divine feet on which arjuna showered flowers which he later saw in the head of shivA. Then, he realised the Lord's supremacy. The words " thAn kaNdu' is of essence here. It is not hearsay for arjunA. He himself had the vision-first hand experience. Should such experience be subjected to further analysis? Edu vyAkyAnam reads as follows: " Apthar sollak kEatkai anRikkEa, sruthi smrithigaLAl anRikkEa, thAnE kaNdAn AyiRRu " arjuna did not realise this fact by hearsay from friends or comprehended the supremacy from sruthi or smrithi. He was a witness to the vision for understanding the supremacy of the Lord. (to be continued) vanamamalai padmanabhan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 As Far as I remember both Lord krishNA were in a remote place when arjunA wanted to do the pUja. Hence, since the LOrd was a close friend of arjunA He offered His feet. The Lord did not intervene.He just helped arjunA in performing the pUja. Why arjunA worshipped shivA instead of the Lord ? is a big question. Well. ONly few blessed souls were able to realise the greatness of Lord krishNA. One of them was vidhurA. one was akrUrar. arjunA did not realise His greatness. He failed to grasp the import of bhagwadh gEthA. In fact, Lord krishNA got frustrated and even commented =mUdA. there is an AzhwAr pAsuram which says that despite the nearness brahmA did not see the divine feet of the Lord. Straight on the lotus above the Lord, brahmA did not see the lotus feet of the LOrd. " nEARE kadik kamalath irundhum kANgilAn, kaNNan adik kamalan thannai ayan " mudhal thiru vandhAdhi -56 Hence, nearness alone does not guarantee realisation of the truth. As far as verbatim translation is concerned, I think it has already been covered in a macro-level. this AchArya hridhaya sUthram basically deals with second ten of thiru voi mozhi - primarily focussing on Lord as the creator of the universe-kAraNathvam. Anyhow, I shall deal with that elaborately when that sUthram in AchArya Hrdhyam is taken up . Thank you vanamamalai padmanabhan - sukumar 'Vanamamalai ' ; ramanuja ; oppiliappan Cc: Thiruvengadam Thirumalai ; srirangapriya sampath ; madhavan Monday, November 24, 2003 3:42 PM RE: WITNESS III Sri Padmanabhan, arjunA wanted to worship shivA for attaining pAsupadhAsthram. For this purpose, Lord krishNA offered His divine feet on which arjuna showered flowers which he later saw in the head of shivA. Then, he realised the Lord's supremacy. I would appreciate if you could elaborate on the above as to why Lord intervened when arjuna wanted to do tapas for Shiva. Also, as to why Arjuna, instead of Parabrahman, chose Shiva. He could have got Narayana Asthra in return, which is more powerful than all the asthras put together. " sOrAdha mUvA ......'kaLvA, thErthan' enRu vachaNa prakthyakshangaL, kAtti.. " AchArya Hrdhaym 220; Can you please translate - word by word, the above so that I can get to the essence of this sukti. Thanks Sukumar Sri Krishna Parabrahmane Namah! nsp [sMTP:aazhwar] 13/11/2003 9:39 PM ramanuja; oppiliappan; vanamamalai Cc: Thiruvengadam Thirumalai; srirangapriya sampath; madhavan WITNESS III WITNESS ARJUNA AS WITNESS In the earlier positng it was seen that srE mArkaNdEya maharishi was called as a witness. swAmi nam-AzhwAr has also referred arjuna while establishing the supremacy of the Lord. While describing the 2nd pathu of thiru voi mozhi, srE azhagia maNavALap perumAL nAyanAr in AchArya hrdhyam : " sOrAdha mUvA ......'kaLvA, thErthan' enRu vachaNa prakthyakshangaL, kAtti.. " AchArya Hrdhaym 220; Here, the supremacy of the Lord is being described through arjunA and shivA. This is done through the vision seen by arjunA " thErthan' and words uttered by shivA " kaLvA " " thErthan " ' 'thErthan ulagalandha sEvadi mEal pUndhAmam, sErthi avaiyE sivan mudi meAl than kaNdu pArthan thelindhozhindha painthuzhAyAn perumai pErthum oruvarAl pEsak kidandhadhE " thiru voi mozhi 2-8-6; arjunA wanted to worship shivA for attaining pAsupadhAsthram. For this purpose, Lord krishNA offered His divine feet on which arjuna showered flowers which he later saw in the head of shivA. Then, he realised the Lord's supremacy. The words " thAn kaNdu' is of essence here. It is not hearsay for arjunA. He himself had the vision-first hand experience. Should such experience be subjected to further analysis? Edu vyAkyAnam reads as follows: " Apthar sollak kEatkai anRikkEa, sruthi smrithigaLAl anRikkEa, thAnE kaNdAn AyiRRu " arjuna did not realise this fact by hearsay from friends or comprehended the supremacy from sruthi or smrithi. He was a witness to the vision for understanding the supremacy of the Lord. (to be continued) vanamamalai padmanabhan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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