Guest guest Posted May 15, 2005 Report Share Posted May 15, 2005 Dear All : Why does a group with the name of " Desika Sampradhya " provide platform to this kind of propaganda from some one who is totally confused and yet wants to save us all ? Is there some one moderating the postings sent to this group ? I have removed her ( assuming that the sender is a woman) from the Oppiliappan and SaraNAgathy lists . " Agayathry " is not sending her views but forwarding some one else's view , whom she obviously thinks off . Swamy Desikan spent his whole life fighting these asampradhAyic views . Let us not get these views filled with viparitham pollute the auspicious name of Swamy Desikan and anything related to Him . V.Sadagopan - <desikasampradaya > <desikasampradaya > Sunday, May 15, 2005 7:50 AM Digest Number 881 > > There is 1 message in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Did Arjuna not worship Lord Krishna > Gayathry <agayathry > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 1 > Sun, 15 May 2005 07:57:13 +0100 (BST) > Gayathry <agayathry > Did Arjuna not worship Lord Krishna > > Q180) Did Arjuna not worship Lord Krishna who was the > human incarnation? > > Ans) Arjuna is called as Nara. Nara means a human > being. He perfectly represented the state of a human > being. The human being has always a mixed feeling. He > is a mixture of faith and doubt. Due to faith Pandavas > won the war. But due to the doubt, they were really > defeated because all their sons who are the heirs of > kingdom were killed. Nara was associated with Narayana > for thousands of years. But still he slipped from the > grip. Arjuna was born as a hunter in the next birth. > Sometimes he believed Krishna and sometimes he > doubted. One-day Krishna asked Arjuna to lookup the > top of tree, whether there was a bird. Arjuna told > yes. Then Krishna told whether that was a flower. > Arjuna again told yes. Then Krishna asked Arjuna > regarding his blind support. Then Arjuna told that > whatever Krishna says, it will happen. This is a scene > of full belief. But you see another scene. Arjuna was > prepared to fight with Krishna to protect Gaya. This > is the scene of full doubt. Had he believed Krishna > fully, what is the necessity for him to go to > Himalayas to get Pasupatastram? Just like the present > human being, he was fond of energetic body of God. Due > to this, he did long penance and had the vision of > Shiva, the energetic body. He worshipped Shivalingam > in Himalayas, which is a model representing the > formless God. The Shiva lingam indicates the wave of > energy. It represents God in the form of all pervading > energy. He kept a small statue of Hanuman on the > chariot and the picture of Hanuman on the flag. This > shows that human beings are fond of statues and > pictures. Arjuna also saw Shiva in energetic body > walking before the chariot. But, Krishna was sitting > in the front of chariot as driver. But, he did not > identify Krishna as God. The energetic body in front, > the statue above and the human incarnation in the > front are available. Even Ravana worshipped Shiva > lingam and saw shiva in the energetic body after doing > penance. But, he disbelieved Rama, who is the > incarnation. Hanuman and Gopikas had full faith on the > human incarnation (Rama and Krishna) without any > doubt. Hanuman just slipped in one incident. He fought > with Rama for the sake of his mother. Dharmaraja also > just slipped once. He refused to tell a lie even > though Krishna ordered. Thus both Hanuman and > Dharmaraja were having 99% belief. Ravana stands for > complete disbelief and Arjuna is in between them. > Hanuman and Gopikas are the candidates for IAS > examination. Rama gave a very tough question paper. > Rama was protected by Hanuman in several incidents. > Rama also acted highly selfish by showing lot of > interest on His wife. He told Ravana, to return back > His wife and live happily. If Ravana did this, Rama > will not harm him in spite of his atrocities. That > means Rama is interested in His wife and not in the > welfare of society. Similarly, Gopikas were ripened > sages and were IAS candidates. Krishna acted as a > thief and mischeivous in all respects. Neither Hanuman > nor Gopikas got any doubt. If one understands these > three epics, the salvation can be achieved. They are > not simple stories. Every story has a hidden ocean of > spiritual knowledge. Every Purana has such treasure of > spiritual knowledge. Hanuman and Gopikas never > worshipped formless God or God in energetic body or > God as statues and photos. They worshipped the human > incarnation only with a rock of faith. But Arjuna > worshipped God in other ways. Ramayana and Bhagavatham > speak aobout the achievement of God. Bhaaratam speaks > the problems in such spiritual effort. There is no > difficulty in understanding or in accepting formless > God or God in energetic body or God as statue or > picture. But, the human incarnation shows birth, > death, hunger, illness etc. in the gross body. This > creates doubt. The doubt becomes stronge when the > human incarnation exhibits bad qualities (Rajas and > tamas) through the suble body. Actually God enters > only the energetic bodies or the living bodies. In the > upper world, God is seen in energetic body. But, such > energetic forms are meant only for the souls having > energetic bodies in the upper world. When the soul > leaves the gross body in this world, it immediately > takes energetic body to go to the upper world. In this > world, God eneters animals etc. also but they are not > for preaching. They are only for destroying the > demons. Mainly He enters the human body for the sake > of human beings. Regarding statues and photos, they > are only representative models. You can worship them > assuming that they are God. But actually they are not > God. Similarly you can love your son assuming him as > child Krishna. But you should remember that it is only > representative worship and your son is not actually > Krishna. Thus Brahma Vidya is most difficult in > understanding and accepting human incarnation. Unless > egoism and jealousy are completely destroyed, none can > accept the human incarnation. That is why people see > Brahma Vidya as most difficult subject. > > > ______________________ > Messenger - Communicate instantly... " Ping " > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > http://uk.messenger./download/index.html > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > > > ------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2005 Report Share Posted May 15, 2005 dear vaishNavAs, I wonder who the person is answering this following question. I mean, is that the authoritative answer of some AchArya, because many points sound quite contradictory? As for as I know, Sri vaishNava sAmpradAya identifies deities as the most merciful form of the Lord, as sung by the aLwArs. To be more precise, our AchAryAs praise the deities in the temples to be more wonderful than the Lord Himself in SrI vaikuntha. If I understand the following description properly, it sounds extremely ridiculous and against shAstrAs and AchAryAs. I request the author of the mail or other learned vaishNavAs to make a clear statement. dAsOham, SrIperumbUdUru vEnkaTa vinOd. > 1. Did Arjuna not worship Lord Krishna > Gayathry <agayathry > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 1 > Sun, 15 May 2005 07:57:13 +0100 (BST) > Gayathry <agayathry > Did Arjuna not worship Lord Krishna > > Q180) Did Arjuna not worship Lord Krishna who was > the > human incarnation? > > Ans) Arjuna is called as Nara. Nara means a human > being. He perfectly represented the state of a human > being. The human being has always a mixed feeling. > He > is a mixture of faith and doubt. Due to faith > Pandavas > won the war. But due to the doubt, they were really > defeated because all their sons who are the heirs of > kingdom were killed. Nara was associated with > Narayana > for thousands of years. But still he slipped from > the > grip. Arjuna was born as a hunter in the next birth. > Sometimes he believed Krishna and sometimes he > doubted. One-day Krishna asked Arjuna to lookup the > top of tree, whether there was a bird. Arjuna told > yes. Then Krishna told whether that was a flower. > Arjuna again told yes. Then Krishna asked Arjuna > regarding his blind support. Then Arjuna told that > whatever Krishna says, it will happen. This is a > scene > of full belief. But you see another scene. Arjuna > was > prepared to fight with Krishna to protect Gaya. This > is the scene of full doubt. Had he believed Krishna > fully, what is the necessity for him to go to > Himalayas to get Pasupatastram? Just like the > present > human being, he was fond of energetic body of God. > Due > to this, he did long penance and had the vision of > Shiva, the energetic body. He worshipped Shivalingam > in Himalayas, which is a model representing the > formless God. The Shiva lingam indicates the wave of > energy. It represents God in the form of all > pervading > energy. He kept a small statue of Hanuman on the > chariot and the picture of Hanuman on the flag. This > shows that human beings are fond of statues and > pictures. Arjuna also saw Shiva in energetic body > walking before the chariot. But, Krishna was sitting > in the front of chariot as driver. But, he did not > identify Krishna as God. The energetic body in > front, > the statue above and the human incarnation in the > front are available. Even Ravana worshipped Shiva > lingam and saw shiva in the energetic body after > doing > penance. But, he disbelieved Rama, who is the > incarnation. Hanuman and Gopikas had full faith on > the > human incarnation (Rama and Krishna) without any > doubt. Hanuman just slipped in one incident. He > fought > with Rama for the sake of his mother. Dharmaraja > also > just slipped once. He refused to tell a lie even > though Krishna ordered. Thus both Hanuman and > Dharmaraja were having 99% belief. Ravana stands for > complete disbelief and Arjuna is in between them. > Hanuman and Gopikas are the candidates for IAS > examination. Rama gave a very tough question paper. > Rama was protected by Hanuman in several incidents. > Rama also acted highly selfish by showing lot of > interest on His wife. He told Ravana, to return back > His wife and live happily. If Ravana did this, Rama > will not harm him in spite of his atrocities. That > means Rama is interested in His wife and not in the > welfare of society. Similarly, Gopikas were ripened > sages and were IAS candidates. Krishna acted as a > thief and mischeivous in all respects. Neither > Hanuman > nor Gopikas got any doubt. If one understands these > three epics, the salvation can be achieved. They are > not simple stories. Every story has a hidden ocean > of > spiritual knowledge. Every Purana has such treasure > of > spiritual knowledge. Hanuman and Gopikas never > worshipped formless God or God in energetic body or > God as statues and photos. They worshipped the human > incarnation only with a rock of faith. But Arjuna > worshipped God in other ways. Ramayana and > Bhagavatham > speak aobout the achievement of God. Bhaaratam > speaks > the problems in such spiritual effort. There is no > difficulty in understanding or in accepting formless > God or God in energetic body or God as statue or > picture. But, the human incarnation shows birth, > death, hunger, illness etc. in the gross body. This > creates doubt. The doubt becomes stronge when the > human incarnation exhibits bad qualities (Rajas and > tamas) through the suble body. Actually God enters > only the energetic bodies or the living bodies. In > the > upper world, God is seen in energetic body. But, > such > energetic forms are meant only for the souls having > energetic bodies in the upper world. When the soul > leaves the gross body in this world, it immediately > takes energetic body to go to the upper world. In > this > world, God eneters animals etc. also but they are > not > for preaching. They are only for destroying the > demons. Mainly He enters the human body for the sake > of human beings. Regarding statues and photos, they > are only representative models. You can worship them > assuming that they are God. But actually they are > not > God. Similarly you can love your son assuming him as > child Krishna. But you should remember that it is > only > representative worship and your son is not actually > Krishna. Thus Brahma Vidya is most difficult in > understanding and accepting human incarnation. > Unless > egoism and jealousy are completely destroyed, none > can > accept the human incarnation. That is why people see > Brahma Vidya as most difficult subject. > > Discover Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover./weekend.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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