Guest guest Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 Sri Sri Lakshmi Hayagreeva Parabrahmane Namaha// Sri Parakala Yateendra Mahadesikaya Namaha// It is but well known that there have always been disputes about the diety on Tirumala hill. It was Bagavad Ramanuja who , with authoritative arguments, proved that the diety on the Tirumala Hill is none other than Lord Narayana. Here , i present the views of Annamacharya... The Lord states in the Bagavad Gita 4-11 ye yatha mam prapadyante tams tathaiva bhajamy aham mama vartmanuvartante manusyah partha sarvasah Ramanuja bhashya... Whosoever desirous of resorting to me, in whatever manner they think of me, according to their inclinations and resort to me, in that manner, as desired by them, I revel myself to them. i favor them in the same way as wished by them. And so Annmacharyas Sankirtana runs... Entamatramuna evvaru dalachina antamatrame neevu antarantaramulenci chuda pindante nippati yendattlu// whatever one percieves you as, to them , You are that However the dough is, so is the pancake Vaishnavas serve You with love as ‘Vishnu’ Vedantins call You the ‘Para Brahman’ Shaivaites and some devotees say You are ‘Shiva’ Kapalikas praise You as ‘Adi Bhairava’! Shakteyas worship You as the ‘Divine Sakti’ Perceiving You in various ways, people worship You as their thoughts run to those who take You as nothing, to them You are nothing To the wise ones who take You as the superior most, You are the most magnificent! And why does the Lord manifest differently to different people? He Himself states in the Bagavad Gita 7-20,21,22 kamais tais tair hrta-jnanah prapadyante 'nya-devatah tam tam niyamam asthaya prakrtya niyatah svaya Controlled by their inherent nature, those who are influenced by material desires and are deprived of absolute knowledge, resort to other demi gods, observing various rituals of worship. the Lord being magnanimous and wholly merciful states yo yo yam yam tanum bhaktah sraddhayarcitum icchati tasya tasyacalam sraddham tam eva vidadhamy aham Whosoever devotee seeks to worship with faith whatever form he desires, that form and faith I make steadfast. Ramanuja... " Whoever devotee seeks to worship with faith whatever form of mine, such as Indra etc, although not knowning these divinities to be My forms alone, I still consider his faith as being directed to my own manifestation, and thereby make his faith steadfast, ie make it free from obstacles. How does the Lord do that? sa taya sraddhaya yuktas tasyaradhanam ihate labhate ca tatah kaman mayaiva vihitan hi tan " Endowed with that faith , he worships that form and gets his objects of desire, granted , in reality, by Me alone. " Ramanuja.... Although he does not know at the time of worship of other divinities who are his objects of worship, that they are all what constitutes My body only, and that worship of them is My worship, still, in as much , through such a worship of other forms, he gets his objects of desire granted in reality by Me only! So far, the idea is that , whatever form one wants to see the Lord in, He manifests to them in that form, and more over He Himself makes that very desired form steadfast in the devotees mind. So is it acceptable then, to worship the Lord in any form one desires? Yes, in a way, that only if the devotee knows the reality that all deities are different manifestations of the one Parabrahman Narayana. If not? what happens is..... antavat tu phalam tesam tad bhavaty alpa-medhasam devan deva-yajo yanti mad-bhakta yanti mam api " Limited is the fruit gained by men of small understanding. The worshipper of the Gods go to the respective Gods. But my devotees come to ME. " Why are the called men of small understanding? Not because they worship Him in other forms, but because they fail to see that the supreme Person is the one to be propitiated through thr form they desire to worship. Because of this, the attain that ver form which they desire.....while those who desire the Supreme Lord, only they attain Him. Rmamnuja..... " Worshippers of other divinities go to their recpective divinties. the fruit of their worship is finite. Why? Because these divinities themselves possess limited joy and powers and are really under the control of Paramatma.When the worlds are to return, worshippers of the divinities fall back along with them. (the divinities are themselves subject to return, how can their worshippers be exempt form it?) But My devotees, knowing that their acts are of the nature of My worship, reach Me, for they have as their sole purpose- pleasing Me alone. And they never more return to samsara. " The Sankirtana 'Entamatramuna' composed by Annamacharya (as shown above) is often interpreted to indicate non-difference between the various deities. But this is a mis-interpretation. The last lines are the ones to be analysed carefully, for here there is a conditional surrender made by Annamayya. Annamacharya knew Ramanujas tenets thoroughly. He was the rare jnani who knew no other Lord that Narayana. So he says..... though people percieve you as their thoughts run, and though the percieve you in many ways, yet... Nivalan korate ledu mari neru koledi tameravu " In You there are no short comings, as the lotus rises just to the level of water " (As the lotus only rises to the level of the water in a pond, the same lotus can assume different levels in different ponds depending on the amount of water contained in the pond. But in all this, the lotus remains a lotus everywhere, insipte of differences which are due to the external agent- the level of water in the pond. So too, the Lord manifests in different ways in the minds and thoughts of different people, based only on their understanding of Him, which again depends on their capacity to realize Him.) But for those who know the truth, they accept the Lord in His true inherent form that is appropriate to Him, ie as Lord Sriman Narayana. And that is why the Parama Vaishnava ends his sankirtana with a conditional surrender..... Sree Venkatapathi neevaite, mammu chekoni unna daivam anni ivalane ni saranan anedanu, idiye paratattvamu naku If You are Sree Venkatapathi,then, saying 'O Lord do accept me', right here I surrender unto You totally! For me this is the highest truth(the para Tattva)! The Para Tattva being that the devotee surrenders to the Supreme Lord Sree Venkatapathi alone, and none other. I will end with another Sankirtana of Annamacharya... The Adi-Purusha, Achyutha, the firm one, the limitless one, the sinless one That Lord Hari Himself is this Lord of Venkata! During the apocalypse, when the waters inundated the entire universe, the Lord who was afloat, reclining upon a tiny banyan leaf, as a baby, that Lord of Sree is the Lord of Venkata! To destroy the arrogance of king Bali, taking a form which reached up to the sky, the Lord who measured the entire earth in one step, and shook the entire universe with the powerful big toe, that Paramatma is the Lord of Venkata! In the milky ocean, with Sesha as the couch, as Sree devi and Bhu devi press His feet lovingly, with Brahma and others serving Him closely, the Lord who rejoices thus, that Narayana Himself is this Supreme Lord of Venkata! Shree. Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha// Srimathe Nigamantha Maha Desikaya Namaha// Sri Tallapaka Gurudeva Namo Namasthe// Ramanujarya Divyajna Vardatham Abhivardatham Daasan Adviteeya _____ Too much spam in your inbox? Mail gives you the best spam protection for FREE! http://in.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 this same thing azhwar says avar avar tamad tamad ariv arivagai vagai avar avar irayavar kuraivilar iraiyavar avaravar vidhivayi adaya nindranare dasan/raghavanAdviteeya Dixit <visistadvit wrote: Sri Sri Lakshmi Hayagreeva Parabrahmane Namaha//Sri Parakala Yateendra Mahadesikaya Namaha//It is but well known that there have always beendisputes about the diety on Tirumala hill. It wasBagavad Ramanuja who , with authoritative arguments,proved that the diety on the Tirumala Hill is noneother than Lord Narayana. Here , i present the views of Annamacharya...The Lord states in the Bagavad Gita 4-11ye yatha mam prapadyantetams tathaiva bhajamy ahammama vartmanuvartantemanusyah partha sarvasahRamanuja bhashya...Whosoever desirous of resorting to me, in whatevermanner they think of me, according to theirinclinations and resort to me, in that manner, asdesired by them, I revel myself to them. i favor themin the same way as wished by them.And so Annmacharyas Sankirtana runs...Entamatramuna evvaru dalachina antamatrame neevuantarantaramulenci chuda pindante nippati yendattlu//whatever one percieves you as, to them , You are thatHowever the dough is, so is the pancakeVaishnavas serve You with love as ‘Vishnu’Vedantins call You the ‘Para Brahman’Shaivaites and some devotees say You are ‘Shiva’Kapalikas praise You as ‘Adi Bhairava’!Shakteyas worship You as the ‘Divine Sakti’Perceiving You in various ways, people worship You astheir thoughts runto those who take You as nothing, to them You arenothingTo the wise ones who take You as the superior most,You are the most magnificent!And why does the Lord manifest differently todifferent people? He Himself states in the BagavadGita 7-20,21,22kamais tais tair hrta-jnanahprapadyante 'nya-devatahtam tam niyamam asthayaprakrtya niyatah svayaControlled by their inherent nature, those who areinfluenced by material desires and are deprived ofabsolute knowledge, resort to other demi gods,observing various rituals of worship.the Lord being magnanimous and wholly merciful statesyo yo yam yam tanum bhaktahsraddhayarcitum icchatitasya tasyacalam sraddhamtam eva vidadhamy ahamWhosoever devotee seeks to worship with faith whateverform he desires, that form and faith I make steadfast.Ramanuja..."Whoever devotee seeks to worship with faith whateverform of mine, such as Indra etc, although not knowningthese divinities to be My forms alone, I stillconsider his faith as being directed to my ownmanifestation, and thereby make his faith steadfast,ie make it free from obstacles.How does the Lord do that?sa taya sraddhaya yuktastasyaradhanam ihatelabhate ca tatah kamanmayaiva vihitan hi tan"Endowed with that faith , he worships that form andgets his objects of desire, granted , in reality, byMe alone."Ramanuja....Although he does not know at the time of worship ofother divinities who are his objects of worship, thatthey are all what constitutes My body only, and thatworship of them is My worship, still, in as much ,through such a worship of other forms, he gets hisobjects of desire granted in reality by Me only!So far, the idea is that , whatever form one wants tosee the Lord in, He manifests to them in that form,and more over He Himself makes that very desired formsteadfast in the devotees mind.So is it acceptable then, to worship the Lord in anyform one desires?Yes, in a way, that only if the devotee knows thereality that all deities are different manifestationsof the one Parabrahman Narayana.If not? what happens is.....antavat tu phalam tesamtad bhavaty alpa-medhasamdevan deva-yajo yantimad-bhakta yanti mam api" Limited is the fruit gained by men of smallunderstanding. The worshipper of the Gods go to therespective Gods. But my devotees come to ME."Why are the called men of small understanding? Notbecause they worship Him in other forms, but becausethey fail to see that the supreme Person is the one tobe propitiated through thr form they desire toworship.Because of this, the attain that ver form which theydesire.....while those who desire the Supreme Lord,only they attain Him.Rmamnuja....."Worshippers of other divinities go to theirrecpective divinties. the fruit of their worship isfinite. Why? Because these divinities themselvespossess limited joy and powers and are really underthe control of Paramatma.When the worlds are toreturn, worshippers of the divinities fall back alongwith them. (the divinities are themselves subject toreturn, how can their worshippers be exempt form it?)But My devotees, knowing that their acts are of thenature of My worship, reach Me, for they have as theirsole purpose- pleasing Me alone. And they never morereturn to samsara."The Sankirtana 'Entamatramuna' composed byAnnamacharya (as shown above) is often interpreted toindicate non-difference between the various deities.But this is a mis-interpretation. The last lines arethe ones to be analysed carefully, for here there is aconditional surrender made by Annamayya.Annamacharya knew Ramanujas tenets thoroughly. He wasthe rare jnani who knew no other Lord that Narayana.So he says.....though people percieve you as their thoughts run, andthough the percieve you in many ways, yet...Nivalan korate ledu mari neru koledi tameravu"In You there are no short comings, as the lotus risesjust to the level of water"(As the lotus only rises to the level of the water ina pond, the same lotus can assume different levels indifferent ponds depending on the amount of watercontained in the pond. But in all this, the lotusremains a lotus everywhere, insipte of differenceswhich are due to the external agent- the level ofwater in the pond. So too, the Lord manifests indifferent ways in the minds and thoughts of differentpeople, based only on their understanding of Him,which again depends on their capacity to realize Him.)But for those who know the truth, they accept the Lordin His true inherent form that is appropriate to Him,ie as Lord Sriman Narayana. And that is why the ParamaVaishnava ends his sankirtana with a conditionalsurrender.....Sree Venkatapathi neevaite, mammu chekoni unna daivamanniivalane ni saranan anedanu, idiye paratattvamu nakuIf You are Sree Venkatapathi,then, saying 'O Lord doaccept me', right here I surrender unto You totally!For me this is the highest truth(the para Tattva)!The Para Tattva being that the devotee surrenders tothe Supreme Lord Sree Venkatapathi alone, and noneother.I will end with another Sankirtana of Annamacharya...The Adi-Purusha, Achyutha, the firm one,the limitless one, the sinless oneThat Lord Hari Himself is this Lord of Venkata!During the apocalypse, when the waters inundatedthe entire universe, the Lord who was afloat, reclining upon a tiny banyanleaf, as a baby,that Lord of Sree is the Lord of Venkata!To destroy the arrogance of king Bali, taking a formwhich reached up to the sky, the Lord who measured theentire earth in one step,and shook the entire universe with the powerful bigtoe,that Paramatma is the Lord of Venkata!In the milky ocean, with Sesha as the couch,as Sree devi and Bhu devi press His feet lovingly,with Brahma and others serving Him closely, the Lord who rejoices thus, that Narayana Himself isthis Supreme Lord of Venkata!Shree.Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha//Srimathe Nigamantha Maha Desikaya Namaha//Sri Tallapaka Gurudeva Namo Namasthe//Ramanujarya Divyajna Vardatham AbhivardathamDaasanAdviteeya _____Too much spam in your inbox? 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