A request from Sriman VenkatEsa VinOd on SampradhAyic dates for AzhwArs .

[Guest guest]

SrI :

 

Dear Sriman VenkatEsa VinOd :

 

Thank you for your mail below .

 

I will attempt to provide an input on AzhwArs follows next on

SampradhAyic dates for AzhwArs .They span from DhvApara Yugam to

the present Kali Yugam . With the dates of Mudhal AzhwArs in

DhvApara Yugam , the dates of MahA Bhaaratham war , RaamAyaNam

gets pushed far back into antiquity .

 

There are a variety of sources on Guru Parampara :

 

(1) AzhwAr's own references in their dhivya Prabhandham

about the Kings ( ThriunaRayUr , ParamEswara ViNNagara PaasurangaL),

Para Mathams . PeriyAzhwAr refers to KonedumARan , the PaanDya King

in Periya Thirumozhi Paasuramin PeriyAzhwAr Thirumozhi : 4.2.7.

Refers to some Pallava Kings in his Thirumozhi . Thirumangai refers to

PallavA king in his ParamEswara ViNNagara Paasurams (1128-1137)

and about Sempian KochenkkOtcchOzhan in his ThiruNaRayUr Paasurams

( 1498-1507) .

 

2) Dhivya Soori Cahritham : Author , Garuda Vaahaana PanDithar in Sanskrit .

He lived in Acharya RaamAnujA's time and wrote in Sanskrit .

 

3) PinpazhahArAm PerumAL Jeeyar , Sishyar of Swamy NampiLlai:

AaRAyirappadi Guru parampararA PrabhAvam .

 

4) Swamy Desikan's Sri Sookthi in Desika Prabhandham

 

5) Swamy MaNavALa Maamuni's UpadEsa Rathna Maala .

 

6) The Three thousand Padi Guru ParamparA PrabhAvam of

Brahma Tantra Svatantra Swamy III .

 

7) PrapannAmrutham of Sri AnanthAchArya Swamy (Sanskrit).

 

8) SrI AaNpiLLai KanthAdaiappan: Periya Thirumudi adaivu.

 

9)Koil Ozhuhu of Srirangam . This ays that KulasEkharar ,

the king of Chera, Cozha and Paandya dEsams gave his

daughter's hand in marriage to Lord Ranganatha in the 50th

year of Kali at Srirangam and Lord Ranganatha married

ANDAL at Srivilliputthur on the 105th year of Kali Yugam .

 

10) The various Taniyans Vaazhi ThirunAmam of AchAryAs .

 

11) Mayilai Maadhava Daasan's NaalAyira Dhivya Prabhandham ,

Second Edition , 1950.

 

It is thus a multitude of sources , which has to be cross correlated .

It will take quite an effort by an assembly of scholars to determine

the exact dates . Let us list the sampradhAyic dates aleaned from

the above sources . It follows your original message .

 

V.Sadagopan

 

-

" sgopan " <sgopan

<sgopan

Wednesday, July 13, 2005 10:25 AM

Fw: Digest Number 940

 

 

> Message: 1

> Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:22:02 -0700 (PDT)

> vinod sv <winode_sv

> Re: A peep into thousand years of the history of Sri VaishNavam :

> part IV

>

> SrI:

> SrImatE rAmAnujAya nama:

> SrI lakshmI narasimha parabrahmaNE nama:

>

> poojya SrI sadagopan swami,

>

> praNAmam.

>

> In your series of history of SrI vaishNavam, you

> presented us with the modern scholors' approximate

> dates of our AcharyAs and different events. May I

> request you to provide us with the dates that

> sAmpradAya holds. The opinion of scientists verily

> depends only on the AVAILABLE evidence, which may not

> be complete always. But on behalf of the believers of

> sat-AchAryAs and sAmpradAya, I request you the

> above-said.

>

> thanking you,

>

> dAsOham,

> SrIperumbUdUru vEnkaTa vinOd.

 

The SampradhAyic Dates and Places of AzhwArs( Ref: #11)

**************************************************************

1. Poygai : Iypaasi SravaNam , DhwApara Yugam ,

SiddhArthi Samvathsaram , Iypaasi , SuklAshtami , Tuesday , SravaNa

Nakshathram .B.C.E 4202 .

 

2. BhUtham : DhvApara Yugam , SiddhArthi Samvathsaram , Iypaasi ,

Sukla Navami , Wednesday , DhanishtA/Avitta Nakshathram .

 

3. pEy AzhwAr : Same Yugam , Same year , Iyppasi Sukla Dasami ,

Sathaya Nakshathram .

 

All tthe three Mudhal AzhwArs were born a day after following

Poygai AzhwAr on SuklAshtami thithi in DhvApara Yugam ( 4202 B.C.E )

 

4. Thirumazhisai : DhvApara Yugam , Thai Month , KrishNa Paksha PraTamai ,

Sunday , Maka Nakshathram . B.C.E 3224 is given as the date . His date is in

between

B.C.E 4202 and 3224 , the birth year of Madhura Kavi .

 

5. Madhura Kavi : B.C.E 3224. Iswara Year , Chitthirai , Sukla Chathurthi ,

Friday ,

ChithrA Nakshathram .

 

6. Swamy NammAzhwAr : on the 43rd Day after birth of Kali Yugam ( B.C.E

3102) .

PramATi Year , VaikAsi PourNami , Friday , VisAka Nakshathram.

 

7. KulasEkharar : Kali Yugam 28th Year ( B.C.E 3075) . Paraabhava

Samvathsaram , Maasi Sukla DhwAdai , Friday , Punar Poosam /Punarvasu

Nakshathram of Sri Raamachandra .

 

8.PeriyAzhwAr : 47th Year of Kali Yugam ( B.C.E 3056) , KurOdhana

Samvathsaram , Aani , Sukla EkAdasi , Sunday , Swaathi Nakshathram .

 

9.ANDAL :98th year of Kali( B.C.E 3005) . NaLa Samvathsaram ,

Aadi Sukla Chathurthi Tithi , Tuesday , Poora Nakshathram .

 

10. ThoNDaradippodi AzhwAr : 289th year of Kali Yugam ( B.C.E 2814),

Prabhava Samvathsaram , Maarghazhi , KrishNa Paksha Chathurdasi ,

Tuesday , JyEshtA/Kettai Nakshathram .

 

11. ThiruppANar : 343rd year of Kali Yugam ( B.C.E. 2760) , Dhurmathi

Samvathsaram , Kaarthikai Month , KrishNa paksha Dhvitheeyai ,

Wednesday , RohiNi Nakshathram .

 

12. Thirumangai : 398th year of Kali Yugam ( 2714 B.C.E ) , NaLa

Samvathsaram ,

Kaarthikai month , PourNami , KritthikA Nakshathram , Thursday .

 

Thus AzhwAr's avathAra Kaalams span in the sampradhAyic view from

DhvApara Yugam B.C.E 4202 to Kali Yugam 2714 B.C.E ( A time span of

1488 Years ) . MOdern day researchers have used a variety of sources to

place the AzhwAr's times between 5th and the 10th centurues , a time span

of 500 years .

 

AzhwAr , EmperumAnAr , AchAryarkaL ThiruvadigaLE SaraNam ,

V.Sadagopan

[Guest guest]

SrI:

SrImatE rAmAnujAya nama:

SrI lakshmI narasimha parabrahmaNE nama:

 

poojya SrI sadagOpan swami,

 

Thank you very much for giving us the sAmpradAyic dates of

appearances of Azhwars. The dates establish the fact that

visishTAdvaitha sidhAnta is not an invention of 'munitrayam', but an

eternal truth which was followed by mahAtmAs of all ages. It also

explains the fact that SrI bhAshya is not just a logical grammatical

treatise, but also a sidhAnta which was coming in a disciplic

lineage from time immemorial.

 

Thank you very much.

 

dAsOham,

SrIperumbUdUru vEnkaTa vinOd.

 

 

desikasampradaya , " sgopan " <sgopan@c...>

wrote:

> SrI :

>

> Dear Sriman VenkatEsa VinOd :

>

> Thank you for your mail below .

>

> I will attempt to provide an input on AzhwArs follows next on

> SampradhAyic dates for AzhwArs .They span from DhvApara Yugam to

> the present Kali Yugam . With the dates of Mudhal AzhwArs in

> DhvApara Yugam , the dates of MahA Bhaaratham war , RaamAyaNam

> gets pushed far back into antiquity .

>

> There are a variety of sources on Guru Parampara :

>

> (1) AzhwAr's own references in their dhivya Prabhandham

> about the Kings ( ThriunaRayUr , ParamEswara ViNNagara

PaasurangaL),

> Para Mathams . PeriyAzhwAr refers to KonedumARan , the PaanDya King

> in Periya Thirumozhi Paasuramin PeriyAzhwAr Thirumozhi : 4.2.7.

> Refers to some Pallava Kings in his Thirumozhi . Thirumangai

refers to

> PallavA king in his ParamEswara ViNNagara Paasurams (1128-1137)

> and about Sempian KochenkkOtcchOzhan in his ThiruNaRayUr Paasurams

> ( 1498-1507) .

>

> 2) Dhivya Soori Cahritham : Author , Garuda Vaahaana PanDithar in

Sanskrit .

> He lived in Acharya RaamAnujA's time and wrote in Sanskrit .

>

> 3) PinpazhahArAm PerumAL Jeeyar , Sishyar of Swamy NampiLlai:

> AaRAyirappadi Guru parampararA PrabhAvam .

>

> 4) Swamy Desikan's Sri Sookthi in Desika Prabhandham

>

> 5) Swamy MaNavALa Maamuni's UpadEsa Rathna Maala .

>

> 6) The Three thousand Padi Guru ParamparA PrabhAvam of

> Brahma Tantra Svatantra Swamy III .

>

> 7) PrapannAmrutham of Sri AnanthAchArya Swamy (Sanskrit).

>

> 8) SrI AaNpiLLai KanthAdaiappan: Periya Thirumudi adaivu.

>

> 9)Koil Ozhuhu of Srirangam . This ays that KulasEkharar ,

> the king of Chera, Cozha and Paandya dEsams gave his

> daughter's hand in marriage to Lord Ranganatha in the 50th

> year of Kali at Srirangam and Lord Ranganatha married

> ANDAL at Srivilliputthur on the 105th year of Kali Yugam .

>

> 10) The various Taniyans Vaazhi ThirunAmam of AchAryAs .

>

> 11) Mayilai Maadhava Daasan's NaalAyira Dhivya Prabhandham ,

> Second Edition , 1950.

>

> It is thus a multitude of sources , which has to be cross

correlated .

> It will take quite an effort by an assembly of scholars to

determine

> the exact dates . Let us list the sampradhAyic dates aleaned from

> the above sources . It follows your original message .

>

> V.Sadagopan

>

> -

> " sgopan " <sgopan@c...>

> <sgopan@c...>

> Wednesday, July 13, 2005 10:25 AM

> Fw: Digest Number 940

>

>

> > Message: 1

> > Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:22:02 -0700 (PDT)

> > vinod sv <winode_sv>

> > Re: A peep into thousand years of the history of Sri

VaishNavam :

> > part IV

> >

> > SrI:

> > SrImatE rAmAnujAya nama:

> > SrI lakshmI narasimha parabrahmaNE nama:

> >

> > poojya SrI sadagopan swami,

> >

> > praNAmam.

> >

> > In your series of history of SrI vaishNavam, you

> > presented us with the modern scholors' approximate

> > dates of our AcharyAs and different events. May I

> > request you to provide us with the dates that

> > sAmpradAya holds. The opinion of scientists verily

> > depends only on the AVAILABLE evidence, which may not

> > be complete always. But on behalf of the believers of

> > sat-AchAryAs and sAmpradAya, I request you the

> > above-said.

> >

> > thanking you,

> >

> > dAsOham,

> > SrIperumbUdUru vEnkaTa vinOd.

>

> The SampradhAyic Dates and Places of AzhwArs( Ref: #11)

> **************************************************************

> 1. Poygai : Iypaasi SravaNam , DhwApara Yugam ,

> SiddhArthi Samvathsaram , Iypaasi , SuklAshtami , Tuesday , SravaNa

> Nakshathram .B.C.E 4202 .

>

> 2. BhUtham : DhvApara Yugam , SiddhArthi Samvathsaram , Iypaasi ,

> Sukla Navami , Wednesday , DhanishtA/Avitta Nakshathram .

>

> 3. pEy AzhwAr : Same Yugam , Same year , Iyppasi Sukla Dasami ,

> Sathaya Nakshathram .

>

> All tthe three Mudhal AzhwArs were born a day after following

> Poygai AzhwAr on SuklAshtami thithi in DhvApara Yugam ( 4202

B.C.E )

>

> 4. Thirumazhisai : DhvApara Yugam , Thai Month , KrishNa Paksha

PraTamai ,

> Sunday , Maka Nakshathram . B.C.E 3224 is given as the date . His

date is in

> between

> B.C.E 4202 and 3224 , the birth year of Madhura Kavi .

>

> 5. Madhura Kavi : B.C.E 3224. Iswara Year , Chitthirai , Sukla

Chathurthi ,

> Friday ,

> ChithrA Nakshathram .

>

> 6. Swamy NammAzhwAr : on the 43rd Day after birth of Kali Yugam (

B.C.E

> 3102) .

> PramATi Year , VaikAsi PourNami , Friday , VisAka Nakshathram.

>

> 7. KulasEkharar : Kali Yugam 28th Year ( B.C.E 3075) . Paraabhava

> Samvathsaram , Maasi Sukla DhwAdai , Friday , Punar

Poosam /Punarvasu

> Nakshathram of Sri Raamachandra .

>

> 8.PeriyAzhwAr : 47th Year of Kali Yugam ( B.C.E 3056) , KurOdhana

> Samvathsaram , Aani , Sukla EkAdasi , Sunday , Swaathi

Nakshathram .

>

> 9.ANDAL :98th year of Kali( B.C.E 3005) . NaLa Samvathsaram ,

> Aadi Sukla Chathurthi Tithi , Tuesday , Poora Nakshathram .

>

> 10. ThoNDaradippodi AzhwAr : 289th year of Kali Yugam ( B.C.E

2814),

> Prabhava Samvathsaram , Maarghazhi , KrishNa Paksha Chathurdasi ,

> Tuesday , JyEshtA/Kettai Nakshathram .

>

> 11. ThiruppANar : 343rd year of Kali Yugam ( B.C.E. 2760) ,

Dhurmathi

> Samvathsaram , Kaarthikai Month , KrishNa paksha Dhvitheeyai ,

> Wednesday , RohiNi Nakshathram .

>

> 12. Thirumangai : 398th year of Kali Yugam ( 2714 B.C.E ) , NaLa

> Samvathsaram ,

> Kaarthikai month , PourNami , KritthikA Nakshathram , Thursday .

>

> Thus AzhwAr's avathAra Kaalams span in the sampradhAyic view from

> DhvApara Yugam B.C.E 4202 to Kali Yugam 2714 B.C.E ( A time span of

> 1488 Years ) . MOdern day researchers have used a variety of

sources to

> place the AzhwAr's times between 5th and the 10th centurues , a

time span

> of 500 years .

>

> AzhwAr , EmperumAnAr , AchAryarkaL ThiruvadigaLE SaraNam ,

> V.Sadagopan

[Guest guest]

Shrimathey Nigamantha Maha Deshikaya Namaha

 

What is this invention of munitrayam?

 

Asmath Gurubhyo Namahavinod <winode_sv wrote:

SrI:SrImatE rAmAnujAya nama:SrI lakshmI narasimha parabrahmaNE nama:poojya SrI sadagOpan swami,Thank you very much for giving us the sAmpradAyic dates of appearances of Azhwars. The dates establish the fact that visishTAdvaitha sidhAnta is not an invention of 'munitrayam', but an eternal truth which was followed by mahAtmAs of all ages. It also explains the fact that SrI bhAshya is not just a logical grammatical treatise, but also a sidhAnta which was coming in a disciplic lineage from time immemorial.Thank you very much.dAsOham,SrIperumbUdUru vEnkaTa vinOd.desikasampradaya , "sgopan" <sgopan@c...> wrote:> SrI :> > Dear Sriman VenkatEsa VinOd :> > Thank you for your mail below .> > I will attempt to provide an input

on AzhwArs follows next on> SampradhAyic dates for AzhwArs .They span from DhvApara Yugam to> the present Kali Yugam . With the dates of Mudhal AzhwArs in> DhvApara Yugam , the dates of MahA Bhaaratham war , RaamAyaNam> gets pushed far back into antiquity .> > There are a variety of sources on Guru Parampara :> > (1) AzhwAr's own references in their dhivya Prabhandham> about the Kings ( ThriunaRayUr , ParamEswara ViNNagara PaasurangaL),> Para Mathams . PeriyAzhwAr refers to KonedumARan , the PaanDya King> in Periya Thirumozhi Paasuramin PeriyAzhwAr Thirumozhi : 4.2.7.> Refers to some Pallava Kings in his Thirumozhi . Thirumangai refers to> PallavA king in his ParamEswara ViNNagara Paasurams (1128-1137)> and about Sempian KochenkkOtcchOzhan in his ThiruNaRayUr Paasurams> ( 1498-1507) .> > 2) Dhivya Soori Cahritham : Author , Garuda Vaahaana

PanDithar in Sanskrit .> He lived in Acharya RaamAnujA's time and wrote in Sanskrit .> > 3) PinpazhahArAm PerumAL Jeeyar , Sishyar of Swamy NampiLlai:> AaRAyirappadi Guru parampararA PrabhAvam .> > 4) Swamy Desikan's Sri Sookthi in Desika Prabhandham> > 5) Swamy MaNavALa Maamuni's UpadEsa Rathna Maala .> > 6) The Three thousand Padi Guru ParamparA PrabhAvam of> Brahma Tantra Svatantra Swamy III .> > 7) PrapannAmrutham of Sri AnanthAchArya Swamy (Sanskrit).> > 8) SrI AaNpiLLai KanthAdaiappan: Periya Thirumudi adaivu.> > 9)Koil Ozhuhu of Srirangam . This ays that KulasEkharar ,> the king of Chera, Cozha and Paandya dEsams gave his> daughter's hand in marriage to Lord Ranganatha in the 50th> year of Kali at Srirangam and Lord Ranganatha married> ANDAL at Srivilliputthur on the 105th year of Kali Yugam .> > 10) The various

Taniyans Vaazhi ThirunAmam of AchAryAs .> > 11) Mayilai Maadhava Daasan's NaalAyira Dhivya Prabhandham ,> Second Edition , 1950.> > It is thus a multitude of sources , which has to be cross correlated .> It will take quite an effort by an assembly of scholars to determine> the exact dates . Let us list the sampradhAyic dates aleaned from> the above sources . It follows your original message .> > V.Sadagopan> > - > "sgopan" <sgopan@c...>> <sgopan@c...>> Wednesday, July 13, 2005 10:25 AM> Fw: Digest Number 940> > > > Message: 1> > Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:22:02 -0700 (PDT)> > vinod sv <winode_sv>> > Re: A peep into thousand years of the history of Sri VaishNavam :> >

part IV> >> > SrI:> > SrImatE rAmAnujAya nama:> > SrI lakshmI narasimha parabrahmaNE nama:> >> > poojya SrI sadagopan swami,> >> > praNAmam.> >> > In your series of history of SrI vaishNavam, you> > presented us with the modern scholors' approximate> > dates of our AcharyAs and different events. May I> > request you to provide us with the dates that> > sAmpradAya holds. The opinion of scientists verily> > depends only on the AVAILABLE evidence, which may not> > be complete always. But on behalf of the believers of> > sat-AchAryAs and sAmpradAya, I request you the> > above-said.> >> > thanking you,> >> > dAsOham,> > SrIperumbUdUru vEnkaTa vinOd.> > The SampradhAyic Dates and Places of AzhwArs( Ref: #11)>

**************************************************************> 1. Poygai : Iypaasi SravaNam , DhwApara Yugam ,> SiddhArthi Samvathsaram , Iypaasi , SuklAshtami , Tuesday , SravaNa> Nakshathram .B.C.E 4202 .> > 2. BhUtham : DhvApara Yugam , SiddhArthi Samvathsaram , Iypaasi ,> Sukla Navami , Wednesday , DhanishtA/Avitta Nakshathram .> > 3. pEy AzhwAr : Same Yugam , Same year , Iyppasi Sukla Dasami ,> Sathaya Nakshathram .> > All tthe three Mudhal AzhwArs were born a day after following> Poygai AzhwAr on SuklAshtami thithi in DhvApara Yugam ( 4202 B.C.E )> > 4. Thirumazhisai : DhvApara Yugam , Thai Month , KrishNa Paksha PraTamai ,> Sunday , Maka Nakshathram . B.C.E 3224 is given as the date . His date is in> between> B.C.E 4202 and 3224 , the birth year of Madhura Kavi .> > 5. Madhura Kavi : B.C.E 3224. Iswara Year , Chitthirai

, Sukla Chathurthi ,> Friday ,> ChithrA Nakshathram .> > 6. Swamy NammAzhwAr : on the 43rd Day after birth of Kali Yugam ( B.C.E> 3102) .> PramATi Year , VaikAsi PourNami , Friday , VisAka Nakshathram.> > 7. KulasEkharar : Kali Yugam 28th Year ( B.C.E 3075) . Paraabhava> Samvathsaram , Maasi Sukla DhwAdai , Friday , Punar Poosam /Punarvasu> Nakshathram of Sri Raamachandra .> > 8.PeriyAzhwAr : 47th Year of Kali Yugam ( B.C.E 3056) , KurOdhana> Samvathsaram , Aani , Sukla EkAdasi , Sunday , Swaathi Nakshathram .> > 9.ANDAL :98th year of Kali( B.C.E 3005) . NaLa Samvathsaram ,> Aadi Sukla Chathurthi Tithi , Tuesday , Poora Nakshathram .> > 10. ThoNDaradippodi AzhwAr : 289th year of Kali Yugam ( B.C.E 2814),> Prabhava Samvathsaram , Maarghazhi , KrishNa Paksha Chathurdasi ,> Tuesday , JyEshtA/Kettai

Nakshathram .> > 11. ThiruppANar : 343rd year of Kali Yugam ( B.C.E. 2760) , Dhurmathi> Samvathsaram , Kaarthikai Month , KrishNa paksha Dhvitheeyai ,> Wednesday , RohiNi Nakshathram .> > 12. Thirumangai : 398th year of Kali Yugam ( 2714 B.C.E ) , NaLa> Samvathsaram ,> Kaarthikai month , PourNami , KritthikA Nakshathram , Thursday .> > Thus AzhwAr's avathAra Kaalams span in the sampradhAyic view from> DhvApara Yugam B.C.E 4202 to Kali Yugam 2714 B.C.E ( A time span of> 1488 Years ) . MOdern day researchers have used a variety of sources to> place the AzhwAr's times between 5th and the 10th centurues , a time span> of 500 years .> > AzhwAr , EmperumAnAr , AchAryarkaL ThiruvadigaLE SaraNam ,> V.Sadagopan

[Guest guest]

SrI:

SrImatE rAmAnujAya nama:

SrI lakshmI narasimha parabrahmaNE nama:

 

SrImAn vasudEvan ji,

 

I just meant that vEda-artha is SrI visishTa-advaita sarIra-sarIri

sidhAnta alone, even before the appearance of rAmAnuja, and followed

by mahAtmans of all ages. This is evident from the dates provided by

SrI sadagOpan ji.

 

dAsOham,

SrIperumbUdUru vEnkaTa vinOd.

 

 

desikasampradaya , Vasudevan VK

<vasuchak> wrote:

> Shrimathey Nigamantha Maha Deshikaya Namaha

>

> What is this invention of munitrayam?

>

> Asmath Gurubhyo Namaha

>

> vinod <winode_sv> wrote:

> SrI:

> SrImatE rAmAnujAya nama:

> SrI lakshmI narasimha parabrahmaNE nama:

>

> poojya SrI sadagOpan swami,

>

> Thank you very much for giving us the sAmpradAyic dates of

> appearances of Azhwars. The dates establish the fact that

> visishTAdvaitha sidhAnta is not an invention of 'munitrayam', but

an

> eternal truth which was followed by mahAtmAs of all ages. It also

> explains the fact that SrI bhAshya is not just a logical

grammatical

> treatise, but also a sidhAnta which was coming in a disciplic

> lineage from time immemorial.

>

> Thank you very much.

>

> dAsOham,

> SrIperumbUdUru vEnkaTa vinOd.

>