Guest guest Posted August 12, 2005 Report Share Posted August 12, 2005 Dear Sri Gopalam Karamchedu : Thanks for your posting . At one time , Thiruppathy/Thirumala was the northern boundary of Tamizh speaking people . Vangipuram (Vengipuram) , Saatlur (ChEtlUr? ) vamsams of AchAryaas and others advanced Bhagavath RaamAnuja SiddhAntham . During the disturbances of Muslim invasions , many left for the safety of Cauvery Delta . Two of the three stalwarts of Karnatic Music came from their villages in Rayala Seema (St. Thyagaraja) and elsewhere in Telugu dEsam . Thirumala was the magnet . Great kings like KrishNa deva Nayak advanced the cause of VaishNavism both in Telugu speaking land and in the Tamil Speaking land . From Telugu speaking land , VaishNavism spread onward north to BihAr , Orissa , Bengal and RaajasthAn during AchArya RaamAnujA's time . Today's posting by Srimans Venkataraman DhivAkar about VaishNavam in Telugu speaking land and in BihAr would be of interest to list members . Sri RaamAnuja Daasan , V.Sadagopan - " K.B. gopalam " <alamkbg <parakalamatham > Friday, August 12, 2005 5:29 AM [sriParakalaMatham] Vaishnavas in AP. > > > Srimate ramanujayanamaha! > Srimadabhinava Ranganatha Parakalamahadesikaya Namaha! > > The discussion regarding the Hebbar ayyangars is > intersting. > > I belong to a group of Ayyangars from Telangana in > andhra Pradesh. I only know that my forefathers came > to this state on the invitation of The Nizam of > Hyderbad who wanted some regular Araadhanam in the > Vaishnavite temples in his Kingdom. > > We do not have marital relations with the other > Vaishnavites in the state. > > There were some families who came to Andhra Pradesh > because of teh temple at Tirumala. They are still > known as Tirumala Vamsham and many sub groups have > arisen out of it. Perhaps many families have come to > Tirumala to look after the nitya Kainkaryam of Swmy at > Tirumala. > > We do not belong to such Tirumala clan either. > > Is therea town in Karnataka by name Karamchedu or > Karamchade? > > There is another surname for some of our families > namely Aasooru. One of my elder clam man told that it > could be Hosuru. > > The disinterst of the people of earlier days in > putting anything writing has created a void in the > micro history of some clans. > > I was told there is/was one Dr. Dhanammal in Mysore > who conducted some researah into the social history of > Vaishanavas. Is her work available anywhere to read? > > Interestingly we also do not speak or write Tamil! > We follow all the traditions otherwise! > Divya Prabandham though a necessary part of rituals is > not very popular with us. No one knows it by heart > perhaps. There are some who can do the Pustaka Patham. > They also do not know the meaning of it. Even > Tiruppavai is only a ritualistic recitation with us. > Not many know it fully know it and understand the > meaning. Only in major cities like Hyderabad the > Festival and discourses in Telugu about Tiruppavai > take place. Not in all the villages where the group is > spread. Those elders who perform Araadhanam daily know > it and recite it just like any other part of the > ritual. > > > Interstingly three very famous acharyas of > parakalamatham came from this group. > > Elders may throw some light on this subject also just > as they are doing about Hebbars! > > > Gopalam Karamchedu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2005 Report Share Posted August 12, 2005 Dear all, Personally, I have seen a lot of Divya-Prabandha inscriptions, teachings of Bhagavad Ramanuja, and other Sri Suktis in the Thousand Pillar Mantapam at Sri Simhachalam Sri Varaha-Nrusimha kshetram. Also, even at very small towns, like kandukuru, MAlakonda, PenchalakOna, Mangalagiri, Dharmapuri and others, ( not to speak about Divya Desams like Ahobilam and Tirupati etc.. ), Sri Vaishnavam flourished in Such small Temples as Sri Janardana, mAlyAdri-chenchu-Lakshmi-Nrusinmha, nityAnna-dAna-Lakshmi-Nrusimha, sri pAnakAla-Vara-lakshmi-Nrusimha, dushta-samhara-Dharmapuri-vAsa-Nrusimha Sannidhis. As far the Contributions of Sri Tirumalai Nambi and Sri Saila Poorna, the Whole Sri Vaishnava world knows and no special menmtion needs to be made here. Well, Everyone knows TAllapAka, in Cuddapah district, from where Sri AnnamAcharya came and though born as a Srungavara smArta, became a student of Srimat Adivan sathagopa Yatindra and became the most popular singer of Sri Tirumala Devastanam, with 32,000 pada-kavitas, to signify the 32 letters of Sri Nrusimha-prANa mantra. Regarding the Vijaya-nagara-Empire, Sri Krishna-Deva-RAya, himself became a Sri-Vaishnava of the Highest order, by accepting Sri TatachArya of Sri Desika sAmpradAyam as his Guru and composing the most klishta-prabandha " Amukta-mAlyada " signifying Sri Goda Devi's Tiruppavai and NAchiyar Thirumozhi. Sri Krishna-Devaraya also had his AsthAna-ashta-Diggaja-panditas, the most famous of whom is the AllasAni PeddanAmAtya, a staunch Sri Vaishnava Scholar, and composed the Prabandha-ratna " Manucharitra " regarding the SwArOchisha Manu Sambhavam. Also, Sri Tenali Rama-Linga became a great Sri Vaishnava, accepting the deeksha-name as TenAli RAma-Krishna and composed the Prabandha " PAnduranga-mahAtmyam " . Many many are the contributions of great Sri Vaishnavas from Telugu-Nadu. Srimat Azhagiyasingar Thiruvadigale SaraNam. adiyen, Venkat kanumalla of Sri Ranganatha Temple, New York. sgopan <sgopan wrote: Dear Sri Gopalam Karamchedu : Thanks for your posting . At one time , Thiruppathy/Thirumala was the northern boundary of Tamizh speaking people . Vangipuram (Vengipuram) , Saatlur (ChEtlUr? ) vamsams of AchAryaas and others advanced Bhagavath RaamAnuja SiddhAntham . During the disturbances of Muslim invasions , many left for the safety of Cauvery Delta . Two of the three stalwarts of Karnatic Music came from their villages in Rayala Seema (St. Thyagaraja) and elsewhere in Telugu dEsam . Thirumala was the magnet . Great kings like KrishNa deva Nayak advanced the cause of VaishNavism both in Telugu speaking land and in the Tamil Speaking land . From Telugu speaking land , VaishNavism spread onward north to BihAr , Orissa , Bengal and RaajasthAn during AchArya RaamAnujA's time . Today's posting by Srimans Venkataraman DhivAkar about VaishNavam in Telugu speaking land and in BihAr would be of interest to list members . Sri RaamAnuja Daasan , V.Sadagopan - " K.B. gopalam " To: Friday, August 12, 2005 5:29 AM [sriParakalaMatham] Vaishnavas in AP. > > > Srimate ramanujayanamaha! > Srimadabhinava Ranganatha Parakalamahadesikaya Namaha! > > The discussion regarding the Hebbar ayyangars is > intersting. > > I belong to a group of Ayyangars from Telangana in > andhra Pradesh. I only know that my forefathers came > to this state on the invitation of The Nizam of > Hyderbad who wanted some regular Araadhanam in the > Vaishnavite temples in his Kingdom. > > We do not have marital relations with the other > Vaishnavites in the state. > > There were some families who came to Andhra Pradesh > because of teh temple at Tirumala. They are still > known as Tirumala Vamsham and many sub groups have > arisen out of it. Perhaps many families have come to > Tirumala to look after the nitya Kainkaryam of Swmy at > Tirumala. > > We do not belong to such Tirumala clan either. > > Is therea town in Karnataka by name Karamchedu or > Karamchade? > > There is another surname for some of our families > namely Aasooru. One of my elder clam man told that it > could be Hosuru. > > The disinterst of the people of earlier days in > putting anything writing has created a void in the > micro history of some clans. > > I was told there is/was one Dr. Dhanammal in Mysore > who conducted some researah into the social history of > Vaishanavas. Is her work available anywhere to read? > > Interestingly we also do not speak or write Tamil! > We follow all the traditions otherwise! > Divya Prabandham though a necessary part of rituals is > not very popular with us. No one knows it by heart > perhaps. There are some who can do the Pustaka Patham. > They also do not know the meaning of it. Even > Tiruppavai is only a ritualistic recitation with us. > Not many know it fully know it and understand the > meaning. Only in major cities like Hyderabad the > Festival and discourses in Telugu about Tiruppavai > take place. Not in all the villages where the group is > spread. Those elders who perform Araadhanam daily know > it and recite it just like any other part of the > ritual. > > > Interstingly three very famous acharyas of > parakalamatham came from this group. > > Elders may throw some light on this subject also just > as they are doing about Hebbars! > > > Gopalam Karamchedu Srimate Sri Laksminrisimha Divya Paduka Sevaka Srivan Satakopa Sri Narayana Yatindra Mahadesikaya Nama: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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