Saama Vedam

[Guest guest]

namaskarams

I am new to this vaideekam groups.I want to learn SAMA vedam.I am very

much interested; but few people say women cannot learn vedas. But I do

want to, please. Last 2 years , I have been trying to get a Guru. I

was refused, saying I am a woman. How does it matter? Is it a sin to

take birth as a woman ?I have learnt carnatic music.I want to know

more about our vedas - I got to read somewhere that our Atharvana

vedam is very special.I want to know it. Can you help me mama?Also I

dont know how to download shloaks from your site.I am Iyer.

thanks

sunitha Bhaskar

 

***Adiyen,

I am very much impressed about your interest to learn Vedham. In our M A

Vaishnavism class, there are 20 ladies studying. They are all aged, most of them

had released from the three day theetu. But our masters are not allowing them to

chant vedham. But we have lessons like " Purusha Suktham, Sri Suktham " etc.

I don't know is it sin to take birth as a woman or not but I know well it will

fetch more and more sin when one doing against sastram. One thing should be

realised by all, nobody is there in this world to consider our arguements and

alter the sastram according to the present day situations. Normally men are

doing many thing against sastram. You can also do like that, who is there to

stop you. But, learning vedham is not only bring sin to yourself but also the

teacher who try to teach you. Still the vedhic scholars are keeping it because

some how they know about the result.

 

And, every action should have a meaning or purpose in our life. What is the

purpose of learning Vedham?

If your answer is : " Athma thrupthi " , to under stand, to mentally potential, to

get spritual supreemness etc. there is no restriction to learn it. Learning

vedham is allowed for women as a text not as a hymn. If you are still interested

to chant vedham, there also a way.

Divya Prabandams are 100% Equal to vedham.

Swamy desikan says: " Poygaimuni bhoodhathar .... endru ivargal maghizhndhu

paadum, seyya thamiz maalaigal naam theliya voodhi, theriyaadha marai nilangal

therihindrome! " Engirar.

Divya prabandam is called as " Tahmiz Marai " . There is no restriction to learn

and chant Divya Prabhandam. The vedham is transillitrated as prabandam line by

line by Azhwars. If you are really interested then you can learn and chant it.

Many teachers are there to teach it.

 

There are so many reasons to refusing " Vedham " to ladies.

1. Most of the woman can not pronounce many words in the vedham as it is.

2. Some portion of the Vedham (Aranyakam, Kaatakam) should be learnt only in the

forest.

3. Learning Vedham should not get break continuously for three days.

4. Chanting of Vedham is not permitted to wear dress in the portion above

naabhi.

5. Vedha Aarambham is allowed only after getting Brahmobhadesam.

6. Brahmobhadesam requires, Jadha Karma, Naamakaranm, Anna praasanam, Chowlam

and Upanayanam.

7. Brahmachari after Upanyanam should not use any cosmetics like soap, sandal,

flowers etc. and should avoid eating salted and tastified food, (chara(kaaram),

lavana varjidham).

8. Brahmachari should not store food or anything for next period.

9. Brahmachari and Sanyasi should not try to earn money in any means.

10.Bramachari should get food by begging, and he should feed his master from the

begged food.

11. He should do all the work, anything instructed by the 'Guru' even massaging

his body and washing his cloths and body.

12. The 'Guru' should take the boy to many places.

13. Vedham should not be droped learning at any point without completion. It is

very very sin than not learning it. Also said, it is very very sin one who

forgot the vedham learned.

14. If there is no restriction there will be no value for anything in the world.

Anything requires some qualification. Sombody should be victim for that.

Why don't you think that veham is getting merit because of the scrifice of

ladies?

If you are not an adament, I hope the stated reasons are enough. I can give some

more reasons which will be painful for somebody.

regards,

Vasu Vdahyar

[Guest guest]

namaskaram mama,

Mikka magizhchi. I never knew that there was so much involved before

learning vedam. Yenn ariyamaiyai mannikavum. Mama,learning vedam

might be prohibited , but reading Puranas is not right? Is there any

document (stories) about our Puranas which is there in your

site.More than reading , hearing is more inspiring.Like I have heard

a few good stories on Lord Shiva through an audio cassette by Sugi

Sivam. something like that is there in our site? Manadai orunelai

paduththuvadu eppadi. Mama, I have a few doubts.....

1. there were so many kings in South India , who ruled our country &

also they have some divine story connected to them.One of the

Pandiya Mannanukku Thai Meenakshi Arul purindhal ;

Vikramadittanukku Thai Kali Arulinaal; & so many

more....Idhellam unmaia....idhu kandavargal yaaravadhu innamum

irukkiraargala - some one from the same family.

2. Naadi Jodidam evvalavu dooram unmai?Enakku ennai petravargal

naadi josiyam paaththargal , but, adhu evvalavu dooram mei enbadhu

naan ariya virumbugiren. Naadi saastrathai aarambiththavar yaar?

 

3. Koodu vittu koodu payum kalai - Atharvana vedaththil Ulladhu

endru kezhvi patten - adhai inda kalaththilum yaaravadhu

seivaargala.Adhai arindavargal unda? Adhu yedharkaga

 

thank you

sunitha

 

***Adiyen,

1. You can learn vedham which I already told in my prvious message. I hope that

I will start writting the meaning of whole vedham in the near future, before

that I wish to make all the members possible to read the messages in Tamil, then

only I can send plenty of texts which are already typed and stored in my

computer with that specific font.

2. Execept vedham everything can be read by any one. I forgot to say that Vedham

is not written by any human, and hence it is called " Apowrusheyam " , except this

any man (human) made text can be read by any one.

Now I have other work to attend immediately so, I will give you reply about

" Naadi Jodhidam " and " Kooduvity Koodu Paidhal " .

Vasuvadhyar

 

vaideekam , " sunit friend " <bssunitha@h...>

wrote:

> namaskarams

> I am new to this vaideekam groups.I want to learn SAMA vedam.I am

very

> much interested; but few people say women cannot learn vedas. But

I do

> want to, please. Last 2 years , I have been trying to get a Guru.

I

> was refused, saying I am a woman. How does it matter? Is it a sin

to

> take birth as a woman ?I have learnt carnatic music.I want to know

> more about our vedas - I got to read somewhere that our Atharvana

> vedam is very special.I want to know it. Can you help me mama?Also

I

> dont know how to download shloaks from your site.I am Iyer.

> thanks

> sunitha Bhaskar

>

> ***Adiyen,

> I am very much impressed about your interest to learn Vedham. In

our M A Vaishnavism class, there are 20 ladies studying. They are

all aged, most of them had released from the three day theetu. But

our masters are not allowing them to chant vedham. But we have

lessons like " Purusha Suktham, Sri Suktham " etc.

> I don't know is it sin to take birth as a woman or not but I know

well it will fetch more and more sin when one doing against sastram.

One thing should be realised by all, nobody is there in this world

to consider our arguements and alter the sastram according to the

present day situations. Normally men are doing many thing against

sastram. You can also do like that, who is there to stop you. But,

learning vedham is not only bring sin to yourself but also the

teacher who try to teach you. Still the vedhic scholars are keeping

it because some how they know about the result.

>

> And, every action should have a meaning or purpose in our life.

What is the purpose of learning Vedham?

> If your answer is : " Athma thrupthi " , to under stand, to mentally

potential, to get spritual supreemness etc. there is no restriction

to learn it. Learning vedham is allowed for women as a text not as a

hymn. If you are still interested to chant vedham, there also a way.

> Divya Prabandams are 100% Equal to vedham.

> Swamy desikan says: " Poygaimuni bhoodhathar .... endru ivargal

maghizhndhu paadum, seyya thamiz maalaigal naam theliya voodhi,

theriyaadha marai nilangal therihindrome! " Engirar.

> Divya prabandam is called as " Tahmiz Marai " . There is no

restriction to learn and chant Divya Prabhandam. The vedham is

transillitrated as prabandam line by line by Azhwars. If you are

really interested then you can learn and chant it. Many teachers are

there to teach it.

>

> There are so many reasons to refusing " Vedham " to ladies.

> 1. Most of the woman can not pronounce many words in the vedham as

it is.

> 2. Some portion of the Vedham (Aranyakam, Kaatakam) should be

learnt only in the forest.

> 3. Learning Vedham should not get break continuously for three

days.

> 4. Chanting of Vedham is not permitted to wear dress in the

portion above naabhi.

> 5. Vedha Aarambham is allowed only after getting Brahmobhadesam.

> 6. Brahmobhadesam requires, Jadha Karma, Naamakaranm, Anna

praasanam, Chowlam and Upanayanam.

> 7. Brahmachari after Upanyanam should not use any cosmetics like

soap, sandal, flowers etc. and should avoid eating salted and

tastified food, (chara(kaaram), lavana varjidham).

> 8. Brahmachari should not store food or anything for next period.

> 9. Brahmachari and Sanyasi should not try to earn money in any

means.

> 10.Bramachari should get food by begging, and he should feed his

master from the begged food.

> 11. He should do all the work, anything instructed by the 'Guru'

even massaging his body and washing his cloths and body.

> 12. The 'Guru' should take the boy to many places.

> 13. Vedham should not be droped learning at any point without

completion. It is very very sin than not learning it. Also said, it

is very very sin one who forgot the vedham learned.

> 14. If there is no restriction there will be no value for anything

in the world. Anything requires some qualification. Sombody should

be victim for that.

> Why don't you think that veham is getting merit because of the

scrifice of ladies?

> If you are not an adament, I hope the stated reasons are enough. I

can give some more reasons which will be painful for somebody.

> regards,

> Vasu Vdahyar

[Guest guest]

Thank you Mama for such a good response.

Mama, still I will follow what our sastras say : " I will only read

the vedams & not recite them " .

But I am inquisitive to know about the other 3 things I had

mentioned about in my previous mail. Kindly answer my 3 questions.

thanking you

sunitha

 

 

***Adiyen,

About Nadi Jodhidam:-

This is my own experience. When I was arround 27 years, one day my aunt

(father's younger sister) took me to a Nadi jodhidar at Chennai Royapettah,

called " Kaakkai Pujandar " . There was a medium crowd. When our turn comes we got

in, he was sitting in a white " Meththai " . He was wearing white & white top &

bottom dress. But his body colour was quite opposite to that. He had searched

and find a leave (Olai) for me and he was reading it as a song. Very few known

words only found in that song. (Aahaiyal maattichonnen pujandai kandai, kandai

pujandai, kaakai pujandai, chonnen pujandaai ....) after few minutes, he

narrated the menaing of that song, and told, the girl for this boy is living in

27, Selva Vinayakar Koil Street, Perambur, Chennai - 600 011. The name of the

girl is 'Padmavathi'. This is the correct time to settle marriage for him, go

and find that girl and settle the marriage.

That day evening itself, I and my aunt's son (Aththan) had searched total

perambur inch by inch and realise everything waste. There was no such street in

that area. There are pillaiyar koil streets, Ganapathy street etc. but no selva

vinayagar koil street.

After two days we went to that josier and asked him about his bluffing. But he

was challanging again with us, you put a bet amount not less than Rs.500/- I

will show you the girl itself. At that time we had no courrage to bet that much

of huge amount, and left.

Then I put the namd padmavadhi to my younger sisters daughter and told I am

going to marry her.

***

Second Experience with that same Nadi jodhidar.

This time one of my friend Mr.Valayapathy, had taken me to him. I told about

that josier to my friend. My friend told, you do not tell infront of my mother,

she will get angry, let her have an experience.

So, we went to him. This time he suggested a Pariharam. He had given it as a

supertitious plan. You go (mentioning a particular day and time, which is

having a fentastic combination) to 'Thiruvalangadu' there you will find a " Vilva

Maram " in front of the Sivan Koil, you do 28 rounds that vilva maram and go

towards north 140 feets, from there look West you will find the Kovil Kopuram,

do not go towards the temple, turn towards East, there a young boy named

'Srinivasan' will appear with white and white dress, he will have a coconut in

his hand. You should ask him " Are you srinivasan " , if the answer is yes, then

your parharam is fulfilled, otherwise you have to wait for that day of same

combination, and go their to get the same result etc. etc.

We went to 'Thiruvalangadu' and did everything what he said. A boy had come over

there, we asked 'are you srinivasan'... his reply is positive but it was a

commody?!

Can anybody guess what might be happened there?

I hope you may have got an idea about Nadi Jodhidam?!

***Rest in next.

[Guest guest]

mama,

so ultimately it is true or fake - this nadi jodhidam - where in

Madras can we find true nadi josiyar.

I am eagerly waiting for the answers to my 1st & 3rd question,

thanks

sunitha

 

vaideekam , " sunit friend " <bssunitha@h...>

wrote:

> Thank you Mama for such a good response.

> Mama, still I will follow what our sastras say : " I will only

read

> the vedams & not recite them " .

> But I am inquisitive to know about the other 3 things I had

> mentioned about in my previous mail. Kindly answer my 3 questions.

> thanking you

> sunitha

>

>

> ***Adiyen,

> About Nadi Jodhidam:-

> This is my own experience. When I was arround 27 years, one day my

aunt (father's younger sister) took me to a Nadi jodhidar at Chennai

Royapettah, called " Kaakkai Pujandar " . There was a medium crowd.

When our turn comes we got in, he was sitting in a white " Meththai " .

He was wearing white & white top & bottom dress. But his body colour

was quite opposite to that. He had searched and find a leave (Olai)

for me and he was reading it as a song. Very few known words only

found in that song. (Aahaiyal maattichonnen pujandai kandai, kandai

pujandai, kaakai pujandai, chonnen pujandaai ....) after few

minutes, he narrated the menaing of that song, and told, the girl

for this boy is living in 27, Selva Vinayakar Koil Street, Perambur,

Chennai - 600 011. The name of the girl is 'Padmavathi'. This is the

correct time to settle marriage for him, go and find that girl and

settle the marriage.

> That day evening itself, I and my aunt's son (Aththan) had

searched total perambur inch by inch and realise everything waste.

There was no such street in that area. There are pillaiyar koil

streets, Ganapathy street etc. but no selva vinayagar koil street.

> After two days we went to that josier and asked him about his

bluffing. But he was challanging again with us, you put a bet

amount not less than Rs.500/- I will show you the girl itself. At

that time we had no courrage to bet that much of huge amount, and

left.

> Then I put the namd padmavadhi to my younger sisters daughter and

told I am going to marry her.

> ***

> Second Experience with that same Nadi jodhidar.

> This time one of my friend Mr.Valayapathy, had taken me to him. I

told about that josier to my friend. My friend told, you do not tell

infront of my mother, she will get angry, let her have an experience.

> So, we went to him. This time he suggested a Pariharam. He had

given it as a supertitious plan. You go (mentioning a particular day

and time, which is having a fentastic combination)

to 'Thiruvalangadu' there you will find a " Vilva Maram " in front of

the Sivan Koil, you do 28 rounds that vilva maram and go towards

north 140 feets, from there look West you will find the Kovil

Kopuram, do not go towards the temple, turn towards East, there a

young boy named 'Srinivasan' will appear with white and white dress,

he will have a coconut in his hand. You should ask him " Are you

srinivasan " , if the answer is yes, then your parharam is fulfilled,

otherwise you have to wait for that day of same combination, and go

their to get the same result etc. etc.

> We went to 'Thiruvalangadu' and did everything what he said. A boy

had come over there, we asked 'are you srinivasan'... his reply is

positive but it was a commody?!

> Can anybody guess what might be happened there?

> I hope you may have got an idea about Nadi Jodhidam?!

> ***Rest in next.

[Guest guest]

Vaazhga valamudan!

mama,

Happy krishna Jayanthi

 

I am still waiting for your reply with regard to my previous mails.

thanks

sunitha

vaideekam , " sunit friend " <bssunitha@h...>

wrote:

> mama,

> so ultimately it is true or fake - this nadi jodhidam - where in

> Madras can we find true nadi josiyar.

> I am eagerly waiting for the answers to my 1st & 3rd question,

> thanks

> sunitha

>

> vaideekam , " sunit friend " <bssunitha@h...>

> wrote:

> > Thank you Mama for such a good response.

> > Mama, still I will follow what our sastras say : " I will only

> read

> > the vedams & not recite them " .

> > But I am inquisitive to know about the other 3 things I had

> > mentioned about in my previous mail. Kindly answer my 3

questions.

> > thanking you

> > sunitha

> >

> >

> > ***Adiyen,

> > About Nadi Jodhidam:-

> > This is my own experience. When I was arround 27 years, one day

my

> aunt (father's younger sister) took me to a Nadi jodhidar at

Chennai

> Royapettah, called " Kaakkai Pujandar " . There was a medium crowd.

> When our turn comes we got in, he was sitting in a

white " Meththai " .

> He was wearing white & white top & bottom dress. But his body

colour

> was quite opposite to that. He had searched and find a leave

(Olai)

> for me and he was reading it as a song. Very few known words only

> found in that song. (Aahaiyal maattichonnen pujandai kandai,

kandai

> pujandai, kaakai pujandai, chonnen pujandaai ....) after few

> minutes, he narrated the menaing of that song, and told, the girl

> for this boy is living in 27, Selva Vinayakar Koil Street,

Perambur,

> Chennai - 600 011. The name of the girl is 'Padmavathi'. This is

the

> correct time to settle marriage for him, go and find that girl and

> settle the marriage.

> > That day evening itself, I and my aunt's son (Aththan) had

> searched total perambur inch by inch and realise everything waste.

> There was no such street in that area. There are pillaiyar koil

> streets, Ganapathy street etc. but no selva vinayagar koil street.

> > After two days we went to that josier and asked him about his

> bluffing. But he was challanging again with us, you put a bet

> amount not less than Rs.500/- I will show you the girl itself. At

> that time we had no courrage to bet that much of huge amount, and

> left.

> > Then I put the namd padmavadhi to my younger sisters daughter

and

> told I am going to marry her.

> > ***

> > Second Experience with that same Nadi jodhidar.

> > This time one of my friend Mr.Valayapathy, had taken me to him.

I

> told about that josier to my friend. My friend told, you do not

tell

> infront of my mother, she will get angry, let her have an

experience.

> > So, we went to him. This time he suggested a Pariharam. He had

> given it as a supertitious plan. You go (mentioning a particular

day

> and time, which is having a fentastic combination)

> to 'Thiruvalangadu' there you will find a " Vilva Maram " in front

of

> the Sivan Koil, you do 28 rounds that vilva maram and go towards

> north 140 feets, from there look West you will find the Kovil

> Kopuram, do not go towards the temple, turn towards East, there a

> young boy named 'Srinivasan' will appear with white and white

dress,

> he will have a coconut in his hand. You should ask him " Are you

> srinivasan " , if the answer is yes, then your parharam is

fulfilled,

> otherwise you have to wait for that day of same combination, and

go

> their to get the same result etc. etc.

> > We went to 'Thiruvalangadu' and did everything what he said. A

boy

> had come over there, we asked 'are you srinivasan'... his reply is

> positive but it was a commody?!

> > Can anybody guess what might be happened there?

> > I hope you may have got an idea about Nadi Jodhidam?!

> > ***Rest in next.