Vinayakar Chathurthi

[Guest guest]

Dear Deevalur Swami, namaskaram

 

All Hindus worship Vinayakar. I have even seen Sri Vaisnavas worship

him. However Sri Vaisnavas also worship Visvaksena instead of

Vinayakar on several occasions. We have just had Vara Laksmi Vratam

and now Vinayakar Chathurthi. I understand that these are not usually

celebrated by Sri Vaisnavas. My question is when is worship of

Vinayakar or Mahalaksmi considered anya devata puja and when is it

allowable by Sri Vaisnavas?

 

adiyen

 

Keshava

 

***Adiyen,

Whenever A(ny) God or Goddess is treated as an " Amsam " of Mahavishnu, it is

accepted. There is no relation between Vishvaksenar and Vinayakar. The sound of

Vishvaksenar and the first pooja given to him made us to think as Vishvaksena

and Vinayakar are same. But Actually, in Sri Vaishnava Sampradayam, Vishvaksenar

is the Ist Acharyan after Perumal and Thayar, who is also called as 'Senai

Mudhalikal'.

 

Doing pooja to vinayagar by a (So called) Sri Vaishnava indicates that they have

not yet mentally matured to be a Sri Vaishnavan. (Who is not fully realised the

'Thathparyam' of Vaishnavism).

VAsu VAdhyAr.

[Guest guest]

Dear Swami VAsu VAdhyar,

 

Am very grateful for the clarification of the stand of the Sri

Vaishnava AchAryas on the issue of anya devata worship. This is very

interesting to me as I live in a country where most Hindus are not

specifically Vaishnavas, and therefore worship all the devas

regularly. Even my own extended family (Iyengar) is not

very 'Vaishnava' - most people celebrate Ganesh chaturti, worship

Parvati Devi, navagrahas, ganapati homam etc. I certainly don't go

to criticise them but sometimes they may see me as a bit of

a 'fanatic'/'old-fashioned' when I only do puja for perumAL/thAyAr.

This is mainly my Indian relatives - what to speak of my relatives

living out of India!

 

One question I have regarding some of the modern temples is: we

often see temples these days with Vishnu/Thaayaar as the main

deities, but sometimes with sannidhis for Ganesha, Subramaniya and

Siva even. I have seen some VaikhAnasa and Sri Vaishnava pujaris

performing archanai even for some of these devatas (despite having

undergone samashrayaNam themselves). This is not only in the UK -

even in Bangalore I have seen a Ganapati sannidhi with Vaishnava

archakas. What I wonder is - because they perform archanai in

someone else's name, does this not count as 'anya devata pooja'? That

is, because they are only performing it for somebody else? '....

naama dehasya... ' etc. etc.

 

I ask these questions because you provide help to all

sampradayams with your services - providing details about ganapati

homam, Iyer upakarma/tarpaNams, auspicious days for shaivas, smaartas

as well as Vaishnavas - but yet you maintain a clear understanding of

vaishnavam for yourself. I think that is a very difficult balance to

strike and I wonder sometimes how to do it myself!

 

I would also be interested to hear more about Vishwaksenar's

mention in puraaNas, etc. as the other member said already.

 

best regards,

with praNaamams

 

namo naarAyaNAya

 

Ranjan

 

 

***Adiyen,

Dear Ranjan,

When I was in 20s (age) I was a serious " Kamatchi Bhakthan " , I used to go to

'Mangadu' Kamatchi temple from Saidapet to Mangadu by walk every Saturday (15

KM) for one year. I wrote many poems and bhajans on Kamatchi and released some

books also. My favorite style is forming poems in Tamil Vowels as first letter.

See the below poem:

"

Ammaye Neeyum poyye - Nin

AAndarul Yaavum poyye

Illaiyendru arivulaarkku - Nin

Egaiyam iyalbhum poyye

Unmaye undan naamam - En

Oonudan Kalandhu vaazhum

Ezhiluruvadive ninnai

Eatru agham poruththuvaarku

Ayyamara meyyaneye

Ondrulam unnai enni

O..dha o..r vaayum thandhu

Auvviyam thanai ahatri - En

Aham irundhalvai neeye! "

 

O.. = Nedil long sound of O

Aham -- used the letter ikh (Ayudha Ezuththu)

This poem extends for some more lines with the starting letters " Ka " .

 

Let it be :

As per vaishnava sidhdhantham everything in the world is belongs to Mahavishnu

only. We should not be a cause to make any damage on the properties of him. HE

knows very well about everything. HE had given us some amount of freedom to rome

arround in these world. You might have happen to see, the own mother or father

of a one year child, will ask the child " Kanna amma yaru knadupidi?! " , " Amma

Kaatuppa " like that. It menas that the mother wish to know is that child is able

to find its real mother in a crowd of ladies. Like that 'Perumal' expecting us

to identify him. It is not the mistake of both of 'Perumal' of us. Some children

identifies their mother within few months and some takes few years. Thats all.

We should realise their inability. The mentality to respect all and all type of

anushtanam is only the 'Pichchai' of our acharyas. Also, by birth they are

having their own acharyas and they should obey their acharyas verses. That is

their dharmam. We should not be a cause to damage their dharmam which is also a

sin. They should realise themselves and pray for next birth to moksham. If

anybody feels that I want moksham in this birth itself, then they can go to any

Vaishnava acharya and get 'Pancha samskaram' to become a Sri Vaishavan. Many

Advaidins (great personalitis like Shri Shri Krishna Premi Maharaj) were did it.

 

About the latest sannidhis : As per my opinion 99 percent of Koils constructed

on these days are totally constructed in commercial views. They did not know

even thathparyams. Many of us are trying to satisfy our neibhours and collegues

not the Almighty.

Is there anybody have courrage (on these days) like our great great acharya

" Koorthazhvan " ? (Opparum mikkarum illadha thyagi (Sacrifice)) He lost his eyes

by refusing to write a statement as " Shivath Paradharam naasthi " .

If interested I can explain that story later.

VAsu VAdhyAr.

[Guest guest]

***Adiyen,

Sri Koorakesar (@) Kooraththazhvan is one of the famouse sishyas of Srimadh

Ramanuja.

A Chola emporar who is very fond and follower of saivam was started

collecting the acceptance signature under a slokam " Shivath Paratharam

Naasthi " which means there is no supreme God than 'Shivan'. A Vaishnava

minister called " Naaluraan " was working with that chola king. He suggested

the king, that 'there is no use of getting signatures of wandering persons

and unfamiliar persons are mere waste, a great personality Srimadh Ramanuja

who is the only person with whom our sidhandha vidwans are not able to win.

If we are able to get the signature of him (Ramanuja) no need to get

signature from anyone there after. So, send your sevakas to bring Ramanuja

here and ask him to sign.

The king accepted for this and sent his sevakas to bring Ramanuja, but our

kooresar came to know about this and he pretended like Ramanuja by wearing

the cloths of him to save him from this critical situation. The sevakas took

Kooresar and Periyanambigal to the king. Periya nambigal refused to sign.

But Kooresar written a different statement under the above sloka as :

" Dhronamasthi shivath param " and signed. It means when we have the meaning '

a particular quandity to measure solids' then 'Dhronam' is higher than the

quandity 'Shivam'. Nalluran identified the inner meaning of the Sloka to the

king. The king ordered to spoil the both eyes of Kooresar and Periya

Nambigal. The sevakas spoiled the eyes of Periyanambigal with a heated iron.

Kooresar told, I did a plenty of phabham and hence I was forced to see

'phabha aathmas' like you. I feel, that I myself hate my eyes. Immediately

saying the above words he taken out both of his eyes with his own hands in a

fraction of second. Periyanambigal immediately died there itself.

Still there are lot of incidents to show his sacrifices.

Many of the people who are worshiping Vinayaka and Shiva, Paarvathi will

not go to a Church or Mosque; is it shows that they are hurting Christians and

Muslims? !

Even in the same dress still today I will go to the churches and mosques when

a marriage of my friends takes place. I am having a copy of bible in my

bookshelf next to Bhagavath Geetha. I could not read Kurron because I hope

it is not available in Tamil (not text, language of the verses).

VAsu VAdhyAr

On 9/2/05, gopal_s6 <polypro wrote:

>

> Dear Swami,

>

> Can you please explain the story which you said you will do if

> interested ( please see the last line of this page )

>

> I am an Iyer and keen to understand the story.

>

> Please oblige me

>

>

> Regards

>

> S.GOPAL

>

>

> vaideekam , " rvv21 " <ranjan@c...> wrote:

> > Dear Swami VAsu VAdhyar,

> >

> > Am very grateful for the clarification of the stand of the

> Sri

> > Vaishnava AchAryas on the issue of anya devata worship. This is

> very

> > interesting to me as I live in a country where most Hindus are not

> > specifically Vaishnavas, and therefore worship all the devas

> > regularly. Even my own extended family (Iyengar) is not

> > very 'Vaishnava' - most people celebrate Ganesh chaturti, worship

> > Parvati Devi, navagrahas, ganapati homam etc. I certainly don't

> go

> > to criticise them but sometimes they may see me as a bit of

> > a 'fanatic'/'old-fashioned' when I only do puja for

> perumAL/thAyAr.

> > This is mainly my Indian relatives - what to speak of my relatives

> > living out of India!

> >

> > One question I have regarding some of the modern temples is:

> we

> > often see temples these days with Vishnu/Thaayaar as the main

> > deities, but sometimes with sannidhis for Ganesha, Subramaniya and

> > Siva even. I have seen some VaikhAnasa and Sri Vaishnava pujaris

> > performing archanai even for some of these devatas (despite having

> > undergone samashrayaNam themselves). This is not only in the UK -

> > even in Bangalore I have seen a Ganapati sannidhi with Vaishnava

> > archakas. What I wonder is - because they perform archanai in

> > someone else's name, does this not count as 'anya devata pooja'?

> That

> > is, because they are only performing it for somebody else? '....

> > naama dehasya... ' etc. etc.

> >

> > I ask these questions because you provide help to all

> > sampradayams with your services - providing details about ganapati

> > homam, Iyer upakarma/tarpaNams, auspicious days for shaivas,

> smaartas

> > as well as Vaishnavas - but yet you maintain a clear understanding

> of

> > vaishnavam for yourself. I think that is a very difficult balance

> to

> > strike and I wonder sometimes how to do it myself!

> >

> > I would also be interested to hear more about Vishwaksenar's

> > mention in puraaNas, etc. as the other member said already.

> >

> > best regards,

> > with praNaamams

> >

> > namo naarAyaNAya

> >

> > Ranjan

> >

> >

> > ***Adiyen,

> > Dear Ranjan,

> > When I was in 20s (age) I was a serious " Kamatchi Bhakthan " , I

> used to go to 'Mangadu' Kamatchi temple from Saidapet to Mangadu by

> walk every Saturday (15 KM) for one year. I wrote many poems and

> bhajans on Kamatchi and released some books also. My favorite style

> is forming poems in Tamil Vowels as first letter. See the below poem:

> > "

> > Ammaye Neeyum poyye - Nin

> > AAndarul Yaavum poyye

> > Illaiyendru arivulaarkku - Nin

> > Egaiyam iyalbhum poyye

> > Unmaye undan naamam - En

> > Oonudan Kalandhu vaazhum

> > Ezhiluruvadive ninnai

> > Eatru agham poruththuvaarku

> > Ayyamara meyyaneye

> > Ondrulam unnai enni

> > O..dha o..r vaayum thandhu

> > Auvviyam thanai ahatri - En

> > Aham irundhalvai neeye! "

> >

> > O.. = Nedil long sound of O

> > Aham -- used the letter ikh (Ayudha Ezuththu)

> > This poem extends for some more lines with the starting

> letters " Ka " .

> >

> > Let it be :

> > As per vaishnava sidhdhantham everything in the world is belongs

> to Mahavishnu only. We should not be a cause to make any damage on

> the properties of him. HE knows very well about everything. HE had

> given us some amount of freedom to rome arround in these world. You

> might have happen to see, the own mother or father of a one year

> child, will ask the child " Kanna amma yaru knadupidi?! " , " Amma

> Kaatuppa " like that. It menas that the mother wish to know is that

> child is able to find its real mother in a crowd of ladies. Like

> that 'Perumal' expecting us to identify him. It is not the mistake

> of both of 'Perumal' of us. Some children identifies their mother

> within few months and some takes few years. Thats all.

> > We should realise their inability. The mentality to respect all

> and all type of anushtanam is only the 'Pichchai' of our acharyas.

> Also, by birth they are having their own acharyas and they should

> obey their acharyas verses. That is their dharmam. We should not be

> a cause to damage their dharmam which is also a sin. They should

> realise themselves and pray for next birth to moksham. If anybody

> feels that I want moksham in this birth itself, then they can go to

> any Vaishnava acharya and get 'Pancha samskaram' to become a Sri

> Vaishavan. Many Advaidins (great personalitis like Shri Shri Krishna

> Premi Maharaj) were did it.

> >

> > About the latest sannidhis : As per my opinion 99 percent of Koils

> constructed on these days are totally constructed in commercial

> views. They did not know even thathparyams. Many of us are trying to

> satisfy our neibhours and collegues not the Almighty.

> > Is there anybody have courrage (on these days) like our great

> great acharya " Koorthazhvan " ? (Opparum mikkarum illadha thyagi

> (Sacrifice)) He lost his eyes by refusing to write a statement

> as " Shivath Paradharam naasthi " .

> > If interested I can explain that story later.

> > VAsu VAdhyAr.

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

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