[Vaideekam] Vinayakar Chathurthi

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Resp. VAsu VAdhyAr,

 

I read ur reply on acceptance of lord Vigneshwara.Sir, my humble query is:What

then is ur take on NARAYANI(Parvati's other name, the sister of Sriman

Narayanan)I m asking this because if this description as in the ancient scripts

holds good, why this demarcation as the Lord is fine with his family members and

us, the Bhaktas.Awaiting your reponse.

 

Kind Regards

 

Bharat.

 

***Adiyen,

I could not able to understand your question.

Also I can answer for the thing which I know well and I can tell only the

sampradayam about the known subjects and I can not answer for the question 'Why'

in most of the situations.

VAsu VAdhyAr.

 

 

Greg Jay <gregjay wrote:

Dear Deevalur Swami, namaskaram

 

All Hindus worship Vinayakar. I have even seen Sri Vaisnavas worship

him. However Sri Vaisnavas also worship Visvaksena instead of

Vinayakar on several occasions. We have just had Vara Laksmi Vratam

and now Vinayakar Chathurthi. I understand that these are not usually

celebrated by Sri Vaisnavas. My question is when is worship of

Vinayakar or Mahalaksmi considered anya devata puja and when is it

allowable by Sri Vaisnavas?

 

adiyen

 

Keshava

 

***Adiyen,

Whenever A(ny) God or Goddess is treated as an " Amsam " of Mahavishnu, it is

accepted. There is no relation between Vishvaksenar and Vinayakar. The sound of

Vishvaksenar and the first pooja given to him made us to think as Vishvaksena

and Vinayakar are same. But Actually, in Sri Vaishnava Sampradayam, Vishvaksenar

is the Ist Acharyan after Perumal and Thayar, who is also called as 'Senai

Mudhalikal'.

 

Doing pooja to vinayagar by a (So called) Sri Vaishnava indicates that they have

not yet mentally matured to be a Sri Vaishnavan. (Who is not fully realised the

'Thathparyam' of Vaishnavism).

VAsu VAdhyAr.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Adiyen

 

I would like to share my opinion regarding Vinayagar Pooja .

Swamy , apart from the Thathparyam , there are few things like " 'Desa Acharam " .

Sinc their family custom is to celebrate Vinayaagar Pooja .

 

Can u tell me , whether we can follow our family custom or stop doing pooja ?

 

Namo Narayana

Lakshmi Narashimhan .S @ Suresh

 

***Adiyen,

Desacharam (tradition of a part of country) and Sishtacharam (followed by

ancesstors) is very much important. But, they should not violate the basic

principles.

 

I try to explain somthing to avoid the unpleasant circumstance of the members

who think that I am against vinayagar pooja.

 

As per Vedham I know and fully accept that Lord Vinayaga, Lord Siva, Lord

Subramanya and the Nava Grahas are having much power to do favour us in many of

our requirements for our day to day life.

 

Think : A person who is having a dozen children will not do pooja to the

prescribed God who is able to bless for a child to request for one more child?

But he know well if he do pooja to that God he will definitely bless for one

more child. What he will do? He will try to avoid using that street itself

(Street where the temple of that God).

 

As per Vaishnava Sidhantham : If one go to the Devathas temple and do whorship,

they will do some favour to him. He will use that favour to enjoy the life.

Eventually he will die one day with an amount of phapam which causes to rebirth.

Phabham and Punyam both are causes for rebirth.

Sri Vaishnava Sidhantham teaches the followers do not have interest in the

worldly things and the as well as the God's who are able to boostup your

interest in the worldly things. Even do not expect any palan when doing

aaradhanam to Lor Sri Vishnu itself. Always worship only 'Sriman Narayana' who

is the ultimate Paramathma who can remove your Atma (if He wish) from this birth

cycle and to alot the moksham. If He is not willing to give you moksham, you

should think it as his Anugraham only. And hence Sri Vaishnavas doing thyagam

(give up) all the punyam or phabam gained by a karma done at the end of every

karma by saying either " Kaayena vacha.. " or " Bhagavaneva ... Kaarayathi " .

 

Vedham is describing the Mokshams quality that

 

Manushya Aanadham, Devada Anandam, Gandarva Aanandam, Brahma like one by one

step towords the highest place the amount of Aanandham is thousand times higher.

But upanishad is saying it can not messure or explain the aanandham of an atma

when it is in the moksham.

So the aim of a Srivaishnavan should be towards getting the moksham.

If one is not having belief on this concept moksham and all, then he can do

pooja or worship yaagam, yagnam anything what ever he wish.

 

Again I can explain only what our acharyas blessed me, but I can not explain why

they have made it.

 

VAsu VAdhyAr.

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Resp. VAsu VAdhyAr,

 

 

 

I wanted a reponse from a learned person like you on the following point i.e. If

Parvati be the sister of Lord Vishnu,as described in the scriptures then why do

we have this demarcation of worshipping only Lord Narayana and not his

sister(Parvati), nephews (Ganesha & Subramaniam) and his brother in law(Lord

Shiva).By the term Lord's family I meant this and i also feel the Lord himself

will not accept this differentiation.Pl.treat this as a query of a young

Vaishnava and not as vidhandavadam.

 

 

 

Kind Regards

 

Bharat.

 

***Adiyen,

Before getting your second mail, I had explained in detail as much as I can and

as simple as I can.

Rest of the things are in your hand.

Onething I wish to remember, this subject is a very huge subject for which our

great great acharyas are not able to convince all. At any one point, we should

decide what we should do further? Do as per our periyavals and acharyals

decission or with our own decession (which causes for your fat) and stop

discussing.

VAsu VAdhyAr.

 

 

Bharat Iyengar <iyengarbharat2003 wrote:

Resp. VAsu VAdhyAr,

 

I read ur reply on acceptance of lord Vigneshwara.Sir, my humble query is:What

then is ur take on NARAYANI(Parvati's other name, the sister of Sriman

Narayanan)I m asking this because if this description as in the ancient scripts

holds good, why this demarcation as the Lord is fine with his family members and

us, the Bhaktas.Awaiting your reponse.

 

Kind Regards

 

Bharat.

 

***Adiyen,

I could not able to understand your question.

Also I can answer for the thing which I know well and I can tell only the

sampradayam about the known subjects and I can not answer for the question 'Why'

in most of the situations.

VAsu VAdhyAr.

 

 

Greg Jay <gregjay wrote:

Dear Deevalur Swami, namaskaram

 

All Hindus worship Vinayakar. I have even seen Sri Vaisnavas worship

him. However Sri Vaisnavas also worship Visvaksena instead of

Vinayakar on several occasions. We have just had Vara Laksmi Vratam

and now Vinayakar Chathurthi. I understand that these are not usually

celebrated by Sri Vaisnavas. My question is when is worship of

Vinayakar or Mahalaksmi considered anya devata puja and when is it

allowable by Sri Vaisnavas?

 

adiyen

 

Keshava

 

***Adiyen,

Whenever A(ny) God or Goddess is treated as an " Amsam " of Mahavishnu, it is

accepted. There is no relation between Vishvaksenar and Vinayakar. The sound of

Vishvaksenar and the first pooja given to him made us to think as Vishvaksena

and Vinayakar are same. But Actually, in Sri Vaishnava Sampradayam, Vishvaksenar

is the Ist Acharyan after Perumal and Thayar, who is also called as 'Senai

Mudhalikal'.

 

Doing pooja to vinayagar by a (So called) Sri Vaishnava indicates that they have

not yet mentally matured to be a Sri Vaishnavan. (Who is not fully realised the

'Thathparyam' of Vaishnavism).

VAsu VAdhyAr.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear VAsu VAdhyAr,

 

Your words of advice are well taken and in case any of my thoughts might have

hurt you I tender my apologies for the same. I m someone who has immense respect

for the learned & senior persons and had just sought your learned counsel on

something that had been within me for quite sometime.

I believe you would forgive the thoughts of a young curious mind.

 

Regards

Bharat.

 

Dear Mr.Bharat,

I do not feel that I was hurted and also I do not feel that I am having the

rights to forgive anybody. I have no feelings on that matter. But, I feel very

much and having curiosity, that my reply convinced you or not?

 

Note: Mistake: In the previous message I missed to type the letter 'e' in 'fate'

Sentence with mistake: (which causes for your fat)

Correction : (which causes for your fate)

Applying for appology to all members.

VAsu VAdhyAr.

 

 

 

 

 

Bharat Iyengar <iyengarbharat2003 wrote:

Resp. VAsu VAdhyAr,

 

 

 

I wanted a reponse from a learned person like you on the following point i.e. If

Parvati be the sister of Lord Vishnu,as described in the scriptures then why do

we have this demarcation of worshipping only Lord Narayana and not his

sister(Parvati), nephews (Ganesha & Subramaniam) and his brother in law(Lord

Shiva).By the term Lord's family I meant this and i also feel the Lord himself

will not accept this differentiation.Pl.treat this as a query of a young

Vaishnava and not as vidhandavadam.

 

 

 

Kind Regards

 

Bharat.

 

***Adiyen,

Before getting your second mail, I had explained in detail as much as I can and

as simple as I can.

Rest of the things are in your hand.

Onething I wish to remember, this subject is a very huge subject for which our

great great acharyas are not able to convince all. At any one point, we should

decide what we should do further? Do as per our periyavals and acharyals

decission or with our own decession (which causes for your fat) and stop

discussing.

VAsu VAdhyAr.

 

 

Bharat Iyengar <iyengarbharat2003 wrote:

Resp. VAsu VAdhyAr,

 

I read ur reply on acceptance of lord Vigneshwara.Sir, my humble query is:What

then is ur take on NARAYANI(Parvati's other name, the sister of Sriman

Narayanan)I m asking this because if this description as in the ancient scripts

holds good, why this demarcation as the Lord is fine with his family members and

us, the Bhaktas.Awaiting your reponse.

 

Kind Regards

 

Bharat.

 

***Adiyen,

I could not able to understand your question.

Also I can answer for the thing which I know well and I can tell only the

sampradayam about the known subjects and I can not answer for the question 'Why'

in most of the situations.

VAsu VAdhyAr.

 

 

Greg Jay <gregjay wrote:

Dear Deevalur Swami, namaskaram

 

All Hindus worship Vinayakar. I have even seen Sri Vaisnavas worship

him. However Sri Vaisnavas also worship Visvaksena instead of

Vinayakar on several occasions. We have just had Vara Laksmi Vratam

and now Vinayakar Chathurthi. I understand that these are not usually

celebrated by Sri Vaisnavas. My question is when is worship of

Vinayakar or Mahalaksmi considered anya devata puja and when is it

allowable by Sri Vaisnavas?

 

adiyen

 

Keshava

 

***Adiyen,

Whenever A(ny) God or Goddess is treated as an " Amsam " of Mahavishnu, it is

accepted. There is no relation between Vishvaksenar and Vinayakar. The sound of

Vishvaksenar and the first pooja given to him made us to think as Vishvaksena

and Vinayakar are same. But Actually, in Sri Vaishnava Sampradayam, Vishvaksenar

is the Ist Acharyan after Perumal and Thayar, who is also called as 'Senai

Mudhalikal'.

 

Doing pooja to vinayagar by a (So called) Sri Vaishnava indicates that they have

not yet mentally matured to be a Sri Vaishnavan. (Who is not fully realised the

'Thathparyam' of Vaishnavism).

VAsu VAdhyAr.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks for your clarification "Lakshmi Narashimhan.S" <sureshnkl2000 wrote: Adiyen I would like to share my opinion regarding Vinayagar Pooja .Swamy , apart from the Thathparyam , there are few things like"'Desa Acharam " . Sinc their family custom is to celebrate Vinayaagar Pooja .Can u tell me , whether we can follow our family custom or stop doing pooja ? Namo NarayanaLakshmi Narashimhan .S @ Suresh ***Adiyen,Desacharam (tradition of a part of country) and Sishtacharam (followed by ancesstors) is very much important. But, they should not violate the basic principles.I try to explain somthing to avoid the unpleasant circumstance of the members who think that I am against vinayagar pooja.As per Vedham I know and fully accept that Lord Vinayaga, Lord Siva, Lord Subramanya and the Nava Grahas are having much power to do favour us in many of our requirements for our day to day

life.Think : A person who is having a dozen children will not do pooja to the prescribed God who is able to bless for a child to request for one more child? But he know well if he do pooja to that God he will definitely bless for one more child. What he will do? He will try to avoid using that street itself (Street where the temple of that God).As per Vaishnava Sidhantham : If one go to the Devathas temple and do whorship, they will do some favour to him. He will use that favour to enjoy the life. Eventually he will die one day with an amount of phapam which causes to rebirth. Phabham and Punyam both are causes for rebirth. Sri Vaishnava Sidhantham teaches the followers do not have interest in the worldly things and the as well as the God's who are able to boostup your interest in the worldly things. Even do not expect any palan when doing aaradhanam to Lor Sri Vishnu itself. Always worship only 'Sriman Narayana' who is the ultimate Paramathma who can remove your

Atma (if He wish) from this birth cycle and to alot the moksham. If He is not willing to give you moksham, you should think it as his Anugraham only. And hence Sri Vaishnavas doing thyagam (give up) all the punyam or phabam gained by a karma done at the end of every karma by saying either "Kaayena vacha.." or "Bhagavaneva ... Kaarayathi".Vedham is describing the Mokshams quality that Manushya Aanadham, Devada Anandam, Gandarva Aanandam, Brahma like one by one step towords the highest place the amount of Aanandham is thousand times higher. But upanishad is saying it can not messure or explain the aanandham of an atma when it is in the moksham. So the aim of a Srivaishnavan should be towards getting the moksham.If one is not having belief on this concept moksham and all, then he can do pooja or worship yaagam, yagnam anything what ever he wish.Again I can explain only what our acharyas blessed me, but I can not explain why they have made it.VAsu

VAdhyAr.

 

 

 

Lakshmi Narashimhan .S @ Suresh

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Resp. VAsu VAdhyAr,

Your reply was good.I was just going through the panchangam today and i saw many kalams like the usual Rahu kalam, Yama Gandam. I also something which was mentioned as Kuligai.

I would like to know what is this and what is its impact on our daily life? I m also told that in case a vaishnanva attains paramapadam during the Mahalaya Paksham, his salvation is guaranteed.Is that so?

Awaiting your replies on the same.

RegardsBharat.

 

Bharat Iyengar <iyengarbharat2003 wrote:

Dear VAsu VAdhyAr,Your words of advice are well taken and in case any of my thoughts might have hurt you I tender my apologies for the same. I m someone who has immense respect for the learned & senior persons and had just sought your learned counsel on something that had been within me for quite sometime.I believe you would forgive the thoughts of a young curious mind.RegardsBharat.Dear Mr.Bharat,I do not feel that I was hurted and also I do not feel that I am having the rights to forgive anybody. I have no feelings on that matter. But, I feel very much and having curiosity, that my reply convinced you or not?Note: Mistake: In the previous message I missed to type the letter 'e' in 'fate'Sentence with mistake: (which causes for your fat)Correction : (which causes for your fate)Applying for appology to all

members.VAsu VAdhyAr.Bharat Iyengar <iyengarbharat2003 wrote:Resp. VAsu VAdhyAr,I wanted a reponse from a learned person like you on the following point i.e. If Parvati be the sister of Lord Vishnu,as described in the scriptures then why do we have this demarcation of worshipping only Lord Narayana and not his sister(Parvati), nephews (Ganesha & Subramaniam) and his brother in law(Lord Shiva).By the term Lord's family I meant this and i also feel the Lord himself will not accept this differentiation.Pl.treat this as a query of a young Vaishnava and not as vidhandavadam.Kind RegardsBharat.***Adiyen,Before getting your second mail, I had explained in detail as much as I can and as simple as I can.Rest of the things are in your hand.Onething I wish to remember, this subject is a very huge subject for which our great great acharyas are not able to convince all. At any

one point, we should decide what we should do further? Do as per our periyavals and acharyals decission or with our own decession (which causes for your fat) and stop discussing.VAsu VAdhyAr.Bharat Iyengar <iyengarbharat2003 wrote:Resp. VAsu VAdhyAr,I read ur reply on acceptance of lord Vigneshwara.Sir, my humble query is:What then is ur take on NARAYANI(Parvati's other name, the sister of Sriman Narayanan)I m asking this because if this description as in the ancient scripts holds good, why this demarcation as the Lord is fine with his family members and us, the Bhaktas.Awaiting your reponse.Kind RegardsBharat.***Adiyen,I could not able to understand your question.Also I can answer for the thing which I know well and I can tell only the sampradayam about the known subjects and I can not answer for the question 'Why' in most of the situations.VAsu VAdhyAr.Greg Jay

<gregjay wrote:Dear Deevalur Swami, namaskaramAll Hindus worship Vinayakar. I have even seen Sri Vaisnavas worship him. However Sri Vaisnavas also worship Visvaksena instead of Vinayakar on several occasions. We have just had Vara Laksmi Vratam and now Vinayakar Chathurthi. I understand that these are not usually celebrated by Sri Vaisnavas. My question is when is worship of Vinayakar or Mahalaksmi considered anya devata puja and when is it allowable by Sri Vaisnavas?adiyenKeshava***Adiyen,Whenever A(ny) God or Goddess is treated as an "Amsam" of Mahavishnu, it is accepted. There is no relation between Vishvaksenar and Vinayakar. The sound of Vishvaksenar and the first pooja given to him made us to think as Vishvaksena and Vinayakar are same. But Actually, in Sri Vaishnava Sampradayam, Vishvaksenar is the Ist Acharyan after Perumal and Thayar, who is also

called as 'Senai Mudhalikal'.Doing pooja to vinayagar by a (So called) Sri Vaishnava indicates that they have not yet mentally matured to be a Sri Vaishnavan. (Who is not fully realised the 'Thathparyam' of Vaishnavism).VAsu VAdhyAr.-----------------I am here to help you ever -----------------------To Post a message, send it to: vaideekam To Leave this group send a message to: vaideekam- ---------------------------Access Trouble? ------------------------- Be active member, Use all the features: Chat, Files, Photos, Links, Polls, calander. If you have any trouble to use the above web features; you may need to use the "Membership Wizard" to access the above web features. http://help./help/us/groups/groups-52.html Still you have problem? Do write to me.------------------------Did you know ?

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