[Vaideekam] Fw: [t'venkatam] Fw: Regarding Sama Veda Upakarma on 6th September 2005

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thaishee pakshasya rohinyam pournamasyam va utsargaha.

As mentioned prAyaschiththam is only kamokarshit japam and not UpAkarma.

UpAkarma is only KAnDa rishi tarpanam and not deva or pitru tharpanam.

Homam is also for them only. You may send the copy of old book on seeing

it I will give proper explanation and meenings. Either text form or scanned

image or pdf form. Pl not that pulavargal means greedy for name and not

sAma vidwans.

Dasan

koothapakkam Jillu

nvs wrote:



Dear

Asthikas,I expected some pandits will explain the

details in the sankalpam of Sama Uapkarma.Now I wish

to explain it in brief.All vedins (including Sama

vedins) should do the 'Adhyayana Uthsarjanam' on Powrnami Day of Thai.Which

is sastram.No one is doing it and hence we are doing

it in the Upakarma as a parihaaram. So, the sankalpam

tells:"Proshtapathyam Hastharukshe" - Proshtapatha

= Aavani or Purattasi (more explanation required)Proshtapatha

maadham hastha nakshaththirathil, thai maadham powrnamiyil panna vendiyadhana

adhyayana uthsarjana karmavukkuangmaaha, devargal,

rushigal matrum avargaludaiya pithrukkalin preethikkaha deva rushi pithru

tharpanangalai pannugiren. This sankalpam is

not my own text, I have attached the copy of the page from more than hundred

years old book. There is no room to discuss about

the period or time to do the Upakarma and the sankalpam is not meaning

like that.They have mentioned that, Yajur vedins will

do like that. That is also wrong. Nobody will do Upakarma on Thaishyam

Powrnamasyam(Thai Powrnami). So, the Thai powrnami

is given to mention the period of 'Adhyayana Uthsarjanam'.

For your information the Adhyayana Uthsavam

for Tamil Vedham is properly going on Thai month.

 

I remember a dialogue : "Paatezhudhi peyar

vaangum pulavargalum irukkirargal, Kutram kandupidiththu vaangupavarkalum

irukkiraarkal"

Adiyen,

Dasan,

Deevalur N.V.Srinivasan

 

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nvs

dpk1941

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Friday, September 09, 2005 12:05 AMRe: [t'venkatam] Fw:

Regarding Sama Veda Upakarma on 6th September 2005

Dear Shri Sadagopan Swami,(My

Sanskrit Guru Adviced me to write as 'Satakopan')I

came to understand a swamin had find fault in the Sankalmpam uploaded in

our website.Pandiya King declared his justice without

getting the opinion from Kovalan. Like that, the declaration as faultin

my website is declared. I take it is a bhagavath sankalpam. But it is my

duty to clarify you the fact. The sankalpam given

in our site is as follows: "Proshtapathyam

hastharukshe, thaishyaam powrnamaasyam karthavya

adhyaya uthsarjana karmaangamdheva

rushi pithru preethyartham, dheva rushi pithru tharpanam karishye" I

had attached the evidence for the above sankalapma which had been given

to me by my Guru, and whichI am using for the past

15 years. The evidence is in Grantham liphi. You can check it with Grantham

known persons.Also I request you to kindly indicate

me the mistake in it.God only knows that how can the

bad name created on me will disappear?!This is the

big problem for the persons who wish to do the public service widely by

spending their own time and money.My mother will say

like these "Kozhiyum koduththu koralaiyum izhandhaalaam".Sorry

for the inconvenience anything I made out of this.Adiyen,DasanDeevalur

N.V.Srinivasan (a) VAsu VAdhyAr

 

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dpk1941

nvs

Thursday, September 08, 2005

5:21 PM

Fw: [t'venkatam] Fw: Regarding

Sama Veda Upakarma on 6th September 2005

Dear Swamin!As

desired by devarIr, adiyEn forward the message reg. Sankalpam for Samaveda

Upakarma. The mails are self explanatorey.Adiyen

dasan,Damal Pathangi Kannan

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sgopan

Ponnappan

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; SG

; Rajeev

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; DSCc:

PNSSent:

Friday, August 19, 2005 6:51 PM[t'venkatam] Fw: Regarding

Sama Veda Upakarma on 6th September 2005

SrI:

Dear AasthikAs :

One of the benefits of these e-lists are to learn from

experts in India about the accuracies in anushtAnam .

I am glad to learn that there are additional nuances to

the nirNayam of the day of Saama UpAkarma and

am pleased to share with them .

My sincere thanks to Dr.P.N.Sridharan of PiLLaipAkkam

HH Srimath Azhagiya Singar Vamsam serving as the Hon.Secretary

of

the Sri Matam Schools located at MadhurAnthakam , where future

scholars of our SanAtana dharmam are being trained :

http://www.ahobilamutt.org/education

The learned faculty there are helping us with all these mattrs of

serious interest to us living far away from home . Please see the

note below

..

Thank you Sriman Sridharan Swamy ,

V.Sadagopan

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"Sridharan Pillaipakkam N" <pns

"sgopan" <sgopan

Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:37 PM

RE: Regarding Sama Veda Upakarma on 6th September 2005

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> swamin,

> The asthika from NJ is correct but there is a clarification further

in his

> explanation.

> For Samagas (Saama Saakha AdhyAyins ) the following pramanAs

exist:

> 1. hasta nakshatra yuktayam panchamyam amavasyam va paushtapadyam

samga:

> kuryu:|

> 2. poushtapada mase panchamee yukte haste chandoga: (samaga:)

kuryu:|

> 3. 'poushtapadyam hastam kruheetva' (drahyayana)|

> It is clear for them hasta nakshtra is pradanyam. Panchami yukta

hasta is

> vishesam. some time it may come on other titis (+/- 1).

>

> My point are these:

> - the asthika has left panchami, when there is pramana

> - i am not sure the occurance of amavasya along with hasta..i

need to

> enquire vidwans on this...

> - when it will come on dvitia..

>

> Dasan

>

>

> sgopan [sgopan]

> Fri 19-Aug-2005 7:27 AM

> Ponnappan; Sgt; Rajeev; DS; Swami; Iowa;

> Ramanujamission ; SG; acharya

> Cc: MR; VKA

> Fw: Regarding Sama Veda Upakarma on 6th September 2005

> SrI:

>

> Dear AasthikAs :

>

> A Saama Saakha AdhyAyin has invited our attention to

> a mistake in the Sankalpam for Saama UpAkarmA made in

> http://www.ahobilam.com

, which is usually careful. There must

> have been an oversight by the Bruhaspathy Swamy , who

> is the owner of ahobilam.com . This web site has nothing

to do

> with srimatam Web site ( http://www.ahobilamutt.org

) .

>

> Please note the correct Saama UpAkarma Sankalpam below ,

> courtesy an aasthikar from NJ . I am glad this Aasthikar caught

it

> in time (Sep 6 is the date of Saama UpAkarma : Tritiya

> Hastham for USA East Coast ) .

>

> V.Sadagopan

>

> Forwarded Message :

> *************************

> > srI:

> > Sri Sadagopan,

> > dasoham.

> > There is an error in the sankalpam details given for Sama Upakarma,

> > with Ahobilam.com site. Sama upakarma is performed in bhadrapada

sukla

> > paksham when Hasta nakshatram is present. This falls on either

> > chaturti or Tritiyai or dvitiyai. Presence of hastra nakshatram

is

> > very important for Sama upakarma. In that we site, the sankalpam

is

> > given like taishyam paurnamasyam. Paurnami is significant for

Yajur

> > upakarma. The bhagavathas please note that in observing sama

upakarma.

> > dasan.

>

>

>

> Srimate Sri Laksminrisimha Divya Paduka Sevaka

> Srivan Satakopa Sri Narayana Yatindra Mahadesikaya Nama:

 

 

 

 

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SrI:

 

Dear Sriman Srinivasan :

 

It will be valuable to know a little more about you .

You can be awonderful resource for people with

questions on the different aspects of AnushtAnam and

variations .

 

Are you at KootthapAkkam near Thiruvaheendhrapuram ?

Please introduce yourself for the benefit of aasthikAs

as a resource for the community . Thanks .

 

I have recd. number of mails but could not connect .

Daasan , V.Sadagopan

 

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R.Srinivasan

vaideekam

Friday, September 09, 2005 6:28 AM

Re: [Vaideekam] Fw: [t'venkatam] Fw: Regarding Sama Veda Upakarma on 6th September 2005

thaishee pakshasya rohinyam pournamasyam va utsargaha. As mentioned prAyaschiththam is only kamokarshit japam and not UpAkarma. UpAkarma is only KAnDa rishi tarpanam and not deva or pitru tharpanam. Homam is also for them only. You may send the copy of old book on seeing it I will give proper explanation and meenings. Either text form or scanned image or pdf form. Pl not that pulavargal means greedy for name and not sAma vidwans. Dasan koothapakkam Jillu