Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Dear M.V.Suresh, Sincere thanks from bottom of my heart! Very useful information indeed! Thanks and Regards Suresh > " Melarkode Venkateswaran Suresh " <mvsureshbaroda >vaideekam >vaideekam >CC: " Suresh Jayaraman " <sureshjraman >[Vaideekam] IMP. OF SWARAM IN VEDAS >14 Sep 2005 00:51:03 -0000 > >IMPORTANCE OF SWARAM IN VEDAS >------------------------------ > >Vedas remains to-day the same in form and feature as it was at time out of >memory. The reason for this absence of distortion or deterioration is that >Vedic chanting has been so carefully guarded, as not to allow any >possibility of a lapse from its pristine form. Of the innumerable Veda >Saakhaas, we know now only of one out of the 21 branches of the Rig Veda, >three out of the 101 branches of the Yajur Veda, two or possibly three out >of 1,000 branches of the Saama Veda, and one only out of 11 branches of >Atharva Veda, one will have to devote to its learning about eight years, >night and day. > >There are various methods in Vedhaadhyayana (memorising the Veda mantras) >which help to preserve the number and the order of the words and letters of >each Veda Mantra. There are specifications regarding the time interval >(matra) for the utterance of each letter in a word; the part of the body >from which each of the sounds in the word should emanate by the exhalation >of the breath in an appropriate manner ; the affinities between the Swaraas >in the Vedas and the Swaraas in Sangeeta (music) and the affinities of both >(Veda Swaraas and Sangeeta Swaraas) to the natural Swaraas in the sounds >produced by animals , birds, etc. These methods of memorising the Veda >Mantras are known as Vaakya, Pada, Krama, Ghana, Jata, Swara,etc. > >The Vedas are not like the sounds of common speech to undergo periodical >changes by usage; on the other hand, they have been meticulously preserved >as a result of being protected by definite prescriptions and indices >relating to the sound measures, their nature, sequence, manner of >utterance, etc., which have been preserved by oral transmission from >generation to generation. > >M.V.Suresh > > > >On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 Suresh Jayaraman wrote : > >Sincere thanks mama. > >BTW, I am curious to know if I can get your recordings and writings on >veda > >works. > >Namaskarams > >Suresh > >> " sgopan " <sgopan > >>vaideekam > >><vaideekam > > >>Re: [Vaideekam] Pradhosha Mahima > >>Tue, 13 Sep 2005 07:44:15 -0400 > >> > >>Dear Sri Jayaraman : > >> > >>Your questions about the scope of the Vaideekam > >>group that I am moderating temporarily at the request > >>of Sri Vaasu VaadhyAr can only be answered by > >>the Founder of this Aasthika Group . It appears that > >>He has very good intentions of addressing the spiritual needs > >>of all AasthikAs . > >> > >>Vedam is nothing but Manthrams , where Svaram > >>is central . Even a slight variation can give the opposite > >>effect of waht one is seeking . This tradition needs to be > >>protected as it always has been in the form of oral tradition . > >>Very elaborate means have been created to keep the Svarams > >>associated with the Veda ManthrAs . Kaanchi PeriyaVAl was > >>expressing , practising and protecting this ancient tradition > >>of Manthra dhrashtAs , who assembled these manthrams of Vedams, > >>which are the breath of the Lord . Saama Vedam is a calssical case > >>of how elaborate these Svarams are protected . If one is fortuanate > >>to hear Saama Vedam rendered in the three different SaakhAs , one can > >>appreciate it . > >> > >>By the way , I am in the middle of recording Purusha Sookthams recited >in > >>the four SamhithAs and their different SaakhAs . As you might know , > >>Purusha Sooktham is the only assembly of Veda Manthrams that is > >>part of all the Four VedAs . > >> > >> > >> > >>Rudram is right smack in the middle of Yajur Vedam and as Veda Manthram > >>is recited as a part of the full Veda PaarAyaNam by Vedic adhyApAka >Ghoshti > >>. It can not be disassembled since it is part of the Vedams . > >>VaishNavite Bruhaspathys will not perform Sri Rudra Homams > >>(Athirudhrams etc) . I have written extensively about the Meanings of > >>Sri Rudram , the Veda Manthram and that came to 100 plus pages . > >>This was before my Prapatthi . If anyone wants to hear Sri Rudram being > >>chanted , they should visit Thirusur Vadakku Naathar Temple during > >>Athirudra Homams , which are done periodically . When VaishNavites > >>recite Sri Rudram , they meditate on Sriman NaarAyaNan as the indweller > >>of Rudran and address their prayers to Him . > >> > >>Prapatthi is a defining moment for a VaishNavan or Aasthikan .At hat >time , > >>the person performing Prapatthi takes a vow to worship Sriman > >>NaarAyaNa as the Supreme Lord and focuses on Him alone to protect > >>his/her Prapatthi . > >> > >>V.Sadagopan > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>- > >> " Suresh Jayaraman " <sureshjraman > >><vaideekam > > >>Tuesday, September 13, 2005 7:10 AM > >>Re: [Vaideekam] Pradhosha Mahima > >> > >> > >> > Forum, > >> > > >> > A related question here: > >> > > >> > 0. Why is it told that veda parayanam have to be learnt by the word >of > >> > mouth? Even a script reading is prohibited(as per paramacharya > >> > chandrashekar > >> > saraswathi). Why is that ? > >> > > >> > 1. Why is it important that veda parayanam has to be done with the > >>proper > >> > SWARAM?? > >> > > >> > Note: > >> > I am indeed surprised to see the mention of Rudram Chamakam in this > >>forum > >> > as > >> > most of the discussion inclined towards vaishnavism in the past. No > >> > offense > >> > meant here please. > >> > > >> > Regards > >> > Suresh > >> > > >> > > >> >>raman subramanian <rahul_remya > >> >>vaideekam > >> >>vaideekam > >> >>Re: [Vaideekam] Pradhosha Mahima > >> >>Tue, 13 Sep 2005 02:32:36 -0700 (PDT) > >> >> > >> >>Dear Sada Gopan Sir, > >> >>The site --Ramanuja-cannot be opened in my system.Sorry to disturb >u,Can > >>u > >> >>briefly tell me if chanting of Rudram Chamakam and PurushaSuktham is > >> >>eneough at the time of Pradosam.I knew only that and no chance for >any > >> >>other reading is possible here. > >> >>Hare Krisha-Raman-Dubai > >> >> > >> >>sgopan <sgopan wrote: > >> >>Dear Members : > >> >> > >> >>In Ahobila Matam , special PaarAyaNam and Thirumanjanam > >> >>are done during PradhOshams as a part of VisEsha AaarAdhabam > >> >>for SvarNa Narasimhan . > >> >> > >> >>The details are available at : > >> >> > >http://www.Ramanuja.org/sv/Bhakti/archives/rituals/june2002/0019.html > >> >> > >> >>Please refer to it . > >> >>V.Sadagopan > >> >>- > >> >>Melarkode Venkateswaran Suresh > >> >>vaideekam > >> >>Cc: subramanian rama > >> >>Monday, September 12, 2005 1:56 PM > >> >>[Vaideekam] Pradhosha Mahima > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>Pradhosha Mahima > >> >>----------------- > >> >>Pradhosha pooja is one of the most important among the poojas >performed > >>to > >> >>the Graceful Lord Shiva. In Shukla Paksha (15 moon days from New moon >to > >> >>Full moon) and Krishna Paksha (15 moon days from Full moon to New >moon) > >> >>the > >> >>evening of the trayodasi (thirteenth moon day) between 4.30 p.m. to >6.00 > >> >>p.m. is called Pradhosha. It comes once in fifteen moon days. >Pradhosha > >> >>time is especially meant for praying Lord Shiva. Praying in that time > >>will > >> >>free us from out sins and gives moksha finally (hence the name > >>Pradhosha). > >> >>During pradoSha time a special type of circumambulating called soma > >>sUtra > >> >>pradaxiNam(1) is done. > >> >> > >> >>Pradhosha Purana: > >> >> > >> >>Once Dhevas and Asuras using the serpent Vasuki and the hill Mandhara > >>were > >> >>trying to get Amrutham (nector) from the Kseerabthi (milk ocean). >Then > >>the > >> >>terrible poison Halahalam came up. All got frightened and pleaded to > >>Lord > >> >>Shiva for rescue. Being the peak of mercy Lord Shiva ate that poison. > >>Then > >> >>as per His order they resumed their effort to get Amrutham. They got >it > >>on > >> >>Dhwadhasi (twelfth moon day). Without praying and thanking the God, >by > >> >>whom > >> >>they got Amrutham, Devas started dancing and celebrating their >victory. > >> >> > >> >>On thrayodhasi (thirteenth moon day) they realised their sin of not > >> >>praying > >> >>the God and pleaded for forgiveness. The pleased graceful Lord Shiva > >> >>forgave them and danced between the horns of the Nandhi (holy bull). > >>That > >> >>time is called Pradhosham. Whoever prays Lord Shiva in that time, >Lord > >> >>Shiva fulfills their wishes and give them mukthi. > >> >> > >> >>During Prodhosha time anointing (Abhishekam) the Shiva deity with the > >> >>following is considered fruitful. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>Milk gives long life > >> >>Ghee gives Moksha state > >> >>Curd gives good children > >> >>Honey gives melodious voice > >> >>Rice powder frees from debts > >> >>Sugar cane juice gives good health > >> >>Panjamrutham gives wealth > >> >>Lemon removes fear of death > >> >>Sugar removes enmity > >> >>Tender coconut gives enjoyment > >> >>Cooked Rice(Annam) gives mejestic life > >> >>Sandal gives Lakshmi's grace > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 subramanian rama wrote : > >> >> >Respected swami, > >> >> > > >> >> >Could you please explain the significance of pradosham ? > >> >> > > >> >> >Regards > >> >> > > >> >> >S.GOPAL > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 vaideekam wrote : > >> >> > >-----------------I am here to help you ever >----------------------- > >> >> > >To Post a message, send it to: vaideekam > >> >> > >To Leave this group send a message to: > >> >>vaideekam- > >> >> > >---------------------------Access Trouble? >------------------------- > >> >> > >Be active member, Use all the features: Chat, Files, Photos, >Links, > >> >>Polls, calander. 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