Marriages - transgressing caste, religion and region - and relevance

[Guest guest]

Dear Everybody

 

Namaste

 

I live and work in Andhra Pradesh. My work takes me to various parts

of the State - remote and under previliged. My work also creates

situations where I meet so called " India Intellectuals " who do not

live in India, but advice how Indians should live. Unfortunately, even

the popular electronic media is eulogizing these qualities, poisoing

young minds.

 

Our recent point of discussion was Marriages in Hindu community. They

were quoting Bhagavadgita saying god created only 4 varnas no castes,

there fore justified thier and their friends actions of marrying from

other castes, communities and even foreigners [whites]. I could not

match with thier verbal sofistry or loud voices. can we discuss this

and put this in perspective. I look forward for guidance and

enlightnment from everyone.

 

pranamams

Jyothirmayee Kidambi

 

 

***

" Chaathur Varnam mayaa shrushtam " is the Gita slokam, gives the meaning what you

/ they are using.

One should keep a thing as 'Pramaanam' (Evidence / authority) then he should

keep it for ever and should give equal respect to all verses found in it.

Bhagavan insisting in Gita itself 'Karma yogam, Bhakthi yogam, Gnana yogam and

finally the 'Prapathi yogam'. The mankind were splited into several group

according to their beliveness in God and spirituality. We must accept thar there

are many gatogories of mankind with a typical way of living and keeping some

formalities since thousands of years. Culture and formalities are the

foundations of civilized mankind. Just imagine a world without cultural

festivals, functions, gatherings etc. A wise one should not be a cause to break

this foundation.

 

There is nothing to discuss more on this, every one is having right to do

anything according to his will and wish. We should not try to stop him, let him

expand his relations ship even with animals etc.

" Vinaasa Kaale Vibhareetha Bhudhdhi " .

nvs

[Guest guest]

Namaste Sir,

 

I have pondered about such marriages as well....

.......................

God bless,

 

Srivathsan.

 

Further postings / discussions reqarding this matter is banned by the moderator

to avoid confusions among members. This group will encourrage matters / messages

which are helpful to improve the mentality to stick on Sastrams and

Sampradayams.

 

Almost all members are joining this group with a comment " Wish to know more

about our Sampradayam and Sastram, Vaideekam, Rituals etc. "

 

Sri Andal (Gotha) pointed that " Seyyadhana seyyom, Melaiyar Seivanakal ... " so,

we have no rights even to think about modifications in Sastrams and

sampradayams.

 

So, members who are having difference of opinion on this matter may think about

keeping their membership with this group.

 

Moderator

 

 

 

***Rituals in marriage are having much 'Thathparyams'.

For an example: The Sankalpam for kannikadhanam is :

" Aavayoho dhashanaam poorveshaam, dhashanaam pareshaam, aathmanshcha,

yekavimsathi kula uththaarana dwara nithya niradhisaya aanandha saashvadha

brahmalokha avaapthyartham, mahavishnu preethyartham, kannikadhaanaakya

mahadhaanam karishye " .

 

Which means 'the kannikaanam is releaving all dhoshams of not only the parent of

that girl but also ten previous and ten future generation and it gives way to

brahma lokham.

There are eight type of marriages described in the sashtram itself.

But it accepts only the firs two types.

If a girl is not given as dhaanam to a boy by their parents with the described

rituals, it is a shastra virodha marriage.

We (the respected members of this Vaideekam group) have no worry about the

persons who are willing to have other six type of marriages, but this group is

no way useful for them.

nvs

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr.Srivathsan,

I banned the message only to avoid discussions on this matter stating the reason

ther itself. Otherwise I have permission to simply delete your message. To

respect the freedom of posting only I editted your message and stated my

opinion. But actually I saved your message in a different location to read again

with enough time. Now it is getting late to go to college.

I do not wish to wound anybody, but everybody should realise that I am strict in

matters.

You just go through the starting of your message which shows your pondering ....

nvs

 

 

 

 

 

( You can ban this post, this email is written for your reading only )

 

Respected Sir,

 

In that post, i didn't mention anything about not following the

Shasthra Sampradayams. I joined this group to know about them as well.

all i said was, we don't have to force our practices on people who

don' follow them ( which i believe was mentioned in other posts from

the same thread ). I did not say that we should all marry recklessly.

 

Maybe you should have read the article once more before jumping to

conclusions on the meaning of what I wrote. I encouraged people to

follow our culture. I just told Jyo that my opinion was that we should

continue our way and thoughts, and let others be.

 

Besides, he asked for everyone's opinion, not for a strictly edited

message board. I gave my opinion. And i think it was rude of you to

say " We (the respected members of this Vaideekam group) have no worry

about the persons who are willing to have other six type of marriages,

but this group is no way useful for them. " especially to me, because

here i am trying to learn more about it, ( the reason i joined the

group ) and you're accusing me of trying to get people thinking the

other way and of believing in marriage against the system.

 

I think I mentioned that we should marry people with the same shasthra

sampradayams to keep it alive. I'd certainly do so.

 

Well. It looks like you don't want people with opinions on freedom in

this group, and that you assume them to go against Shastrhas and

Sampradhayas. I have opinions, and I believe in freedom of opinion.

And I know I wasn't changing or aiming to change the meaning of any

text or scripture.

 

I'm not going to quit this group myself ( i like the information and

wish to learn ). But i certainly won't be making anymore posts or

replies on anything mentioned or asked in the posts because of the

'stable thoughts' in this forum . So, i'm leaving it up to you to

either cancel my registration or leave it.

 

I'm sorry if I sound arrogant, I really respect you for having this

forum. And i totally appreciate what you're doing. But i'd have

expected you to either ban the post or leave it in, in the case of the

latter adding the shasthra part of what you have told me in this

email. What i didn't expect was a message accusing me of trying to go

against the sasthras.

 

Thanks, for your comment though.

 

God Bless,

 

Srivathsan.

 

 

 

 

mantratecnik <mantratecnik wrote:

 

Namaste Sir,

 

I have pondered about such marriages as well....

......................

God bless,

 

Srivathsan.

 

Further postings / discussions reqarding this matter is banned by

the moderator to avoid confusions among members. This group will

encourrage matters / messages which are helpful to improve the

mentality to stick on Sastrams and Sampradayams.

 

Almost all members are joining this group with a comment " Wish to

know more about our Sampradayam and Sastram, Vaideekam, Rituals etc. "

 

Sri Andal (Gotha) pointed that " Seyyadhana seyyom, Melaiyar

Seivanakal ... " so, we have no rights even to think about

modifications in Sastrams and sampradayams.

 

So, members who are having difference of opinion on this matter

may think about keeping their membership with this group.

 

Moderator

 

***Rituals in marriage are having much 'Thathparyams'.

For an example: The Sankalpam for kannikadhanam is :

" Aavayoho dhashanaam poorveshaam, dhashanaam pareshaam,

aathmanshcha, yekavimsathi kula uththaarana dwara nithya niradhisaya

aanandha saashvadha brahmalokha avaapthyartham, mahavishnu

preethyartham, kannikadhaanaakya mahadhaanam karishye " .

 

Which means 'the kannikaanam is releaving all dhoshams of not only

the parent of that girl but also ten previous and ten future

generation and it gives way to brahma lokham.

There are eight type of marriages described in the sashtram itself.

But it accepts only the firs two types.

If a girl is not given as dhaanam to a boy by their parents with

the described rituals, it is a shastra virodha marriage.

We (the respected members of this Vaideekam group) have no worry

about the persons who are willing to have other six type of marriages,

but this group is no way useful for them.

nvs

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vaideekam , " mantratecnik " <mantratecnik wrote:

>

> Namaste Sir,

>

> I have pondered about such marriages as well....

> ......................

> God bless,

>

> Srivathsan.

>

> Further postings / discussions reqarding this matter is banned by

the moderator to avoid confusions among members. This group will

encourrage matters / messages which are helpful to improve the

mentality to stick on Sastrams and Sampradayams.

>

> Almost all members are joining this group with a comment " Wish to

know more about our Sampradayam and Sastram, Vaideekam, Rituals etc. "

>

> Sri Andal (Gotha) pointed that " Seyyadhana seyyom, Melaiyar

Seivanakal ... " so, we have no rights even to think about

modifications in Sastrams and sampradayams.

>

> So, members who are having difference of opinion on this matter may

think about keeping their membership with this group.

>

> Moderator

>

>

>

> ***Rituals in marriage are having much 'Thathparyams'.

> For an example: The Sankalpam for kannikadhanam is :

> " Aavayoho dhashanaam poorveshaam, dhashanaam pareshaam,

aathmanshcha, yekavimsathi kula uththaarana dwara nithya niradhisaya

aanandha saashvadha brahmalokha avaapthyartham, mahavishnu

preethyartham, kannikadhaanaakya mahadhaanam karishye " .

>

> Which means 'the kannikaanam is releaving all dhoshams of not only

the parent of that girl but also ten previous and ten future

generation and it gives way to brahma lokham.

> There are eight type of marriages described in the sashtram itself.

> But it accepts only the firs two types.

> If a girl is not given as dhaanam to a boy by their parents with the

described rituals, it is a shastra virodha marriage.

> We (the respected members of this Vaideekam group) have no worry

about the persons who are willing to have other six type of marriages,

but this group is no way useful for them.

> nvs

>

[Guest guest]

24th August 2006

 

Dear Sajjans,

 

 

The very purpose of seeking guidance in this issue is to stick to

what our Sastras and Sampradayas have said. I want to spread message

to NOT to even think of Modifications, we have not yet fully

understood it, where does the question of correction or modification

arise?

 

I also agree there no dearth of so called " pseudo intellectuals " who

feel there is a need to rewrite or redefine our sampradayams. Yes,

fully agree this group is not for those people. In my opinion, they

are more dangerous than ignorant. I will be happy if one can guide

on the references I can read and learn too.

 

I reiterate my purpose I WANT TO KNOW HOW AND WHAT I SHOULD SHARE OR

TELL YOUNGSTERS WHO ARE NOW ON THE PRECIPICE OF `FALL'. LACK OF

KNOWLEDGE SHOULD NOT LEAD TO PERVERSITY IN ANY DIRECTION.

 

I am reminded of a beautiful narration, from one of the enlightened

from similar group. I retold the same thing to my young children,

they were impressed. I just want to share it with you all.

 

Please think: There are two huge buildings which were constructed

with well design by vast experience. Few idiot brick stones from

both buildings came out and planed to construct a new building of

their own without any design or experience. Within few days one man

saw those loose stones. He could not able to realize that as a new

type of building. So, he removed all the stones from there and

thrown out in ditch. What happened? The idiot stones made themselves

to go to a ditch one side and weakened the well designed building on

the other side.

 

Now you think, and act upon it. Be proud of your culture and do not

give-up it for anything?

 

Pranamams

 

Jyothirmayee Kidambi

 

 

***

Well,

I don't think the given example is that much apt.

I strongly suggest, and insist there is no need to say any explanation for

children if the parent abide by the Sastrams and Sampradayams well from their

childhood. When one generation breaking this proceture is getting this problem.

For this main reason only people like me are taking steps and efforts to make

awarness among people.

But mostly the people who missed to keep the sampradayam are turned

against Sastras and sampradayams due to their inferiority complex and making

comments and spreading some intellectual and imaginary ideas, logics to

substantiate their mistakes.

 

I am telling youngesters that 'A thing what you saw when you were at the age of

five will be the same when you are at the age of 20, but the value and usage of

the same thing must be very different.' So, you should think about the scholars

like 'Nammalvar, Nathamuningal, Srimath Ramanujar, Sriman Vedhantha Desikan,

Manavala Mamunigal, and ordinary our old age parents, all might be crossed the

teenage, why the majority of the people are supporting the same spiritual way?'

There is only one eternal truth, after enjoying all the worldly things they find

nothing is in those things to give the real pleasure to their mind. So,

everybody should attain the old age, the person who followed the spiritual rules

moderately will not get much mental sufferings. But the person who failed to do

so is getting much mental disturbance and even he hates himself. This can be

realised only after getting out of worldly things. So, you just follow what your

ancestors did, you will find it is correct and good when you are reaching that

stage. Moreover there is nothing to lose by following those customs. But a great

discipline, virtue, good habits, self respect, confidence, courage, respected

by others etc. will be the award for it. Also, if we participate in a race, we

are getting an opportunity to win the prize. So, we should participate in this

race let the result be the same as non participant.

 

regards,

nvs