[Vaideekam] no mathematics

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Dear All,

 

As per my understanding the pavam and

punyam on an individual is non-transferrable (be it friend or foe or even

family members). The group may correct.

Each individual has to face the karmas

whatever he/she has accumulated in his/her previous lives.

 

The accumulation of Punya and Pavam

will end once the individual becomes a " Saranagathan " . However

as told in previous messages the Saranagathan should not do what he/she

is not suppose to do.

 

I hope i am not diverting the discussion

but i feel that understanding the jurisdiction of the following will be

help.

 

What is Gyana Margam, Bhakti Margam

& Karma Margam?

Are they related or different to each

other?

Will the duties of an individual differ

if he/she chooses one of the margam?

Can one choose to be part of all the

above given margam?

 

Thanks & Regards,

R. Aravamudan [Arvind]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

" T.V.Padmanabhan "

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I am also keenly waiting for the publication of the book.

In the meantime, I thought I would share what I know about Saranagathi

with the members. I may be corrected by those who feel what I am

saying is not correct. I am only a Prapannan endeavouring to do what

is expected of a Prapannan and mostly I am facing difficult situations

and depend on God alone as Prapathi I did presupposes that I am utterly

helpless and have no other go but to surrender at the Lord's feet fully

understanding the Sesha Seshitva Bhava inherent in the three Rahasya Mantras.

There are two types of Prapathi. If I remember right,

they are Aartha Prapathi and Thruptha Prapathi. The first one will

give Moksham immediately after Saranagathi is done. To illustrate

this I was told that one Parakala Mutt Head, in answer to a question

from the Mysore Maharaja, proved it by himself doing that kind of prapathi

with a curtain between him and the Raja and after a while when the curtain

was lifted, HH attained Moksham leaving the mortal body. The other

Prapathi will result in the Prapannan getting Moksham when his present

life comes to an end. At the time of doing this Prapathi, with the

Grace of God and the Acharyan through whom it is done, all papams done

till that time are condoned by God and Prapannan is not expected to do

any pavam later. But in the world that we live in, various karmas

have to be done till the Jivatma leaves this body and in the process, pavams

may accrue. No pavam should be done knowingly. If done unknowingly,

the consequences of that will have to be experienced before the Jivatma

leaves the present body as at that time the Jivatma is sure to go to Moksham.

I also read somewhere that when a Prapannan goes to Moksham,

the residual Punyas go to his friends and residual Papams go to his enemies

(I am sorry this is not the right word as a Prapannan should have no enemy

in the real sense as he should not hurt or offend anyone and be friends

only with everyone). Here the term means that people whom he did

not like during his lifetime will be burdened with his residual papams.

This is a big matter to understand or appreciate and I think instead

of discussing this with pros and cons, we should take the message that

this gives as, at the time of leaving the body, the Prapannan goes to Moksha

without any vasanas relating to punyams and papams and those that accrued

to him till he leaves the body for which he had not enjoyed or suffered

the consequences will go to his relatives/friends/acquaintances as the

case may be so that no karma requiring a consequence is left unenjoyed

or not suffered.

If one reads Varaha Charama Slokam, Ramayana Saranagathi

slokam (Sakrudeva prapannaya..............dhadham ethath vrutham mama)

and the Charama Slokam in the Gita and understand the import of it with

the elucidation given by Bhagavath Ramanuja and Sri Vedanta Desika in their

works (especially Desika in his Rahasya Granthas), we will know what the

Prapathi is and what are its Angas. There are 5 Angas and Mahaviswasam

tops the five and when the Mahaviswasam is there, no question can be raised

by anyone in regard to the papams or punyams of a Prapannan.

Adiyen

Padmanabha Dasan

 

 

 

T V Padmanabhan

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[Guest guest]

Dear Sri Padmanabhan,

 

I am keen to know the " Code of Conduct of Saranagathan " as prescribed by

Swami Desikan . Kindly share the code of conduct if you have it in

softcopy, i will be thankful to you.

 

As i understand that Moksham should be the goal to come out of " Birth

Death Cycle " .

 

Request if any of the group member can help understand what is expected

(one pager on DOs and DON'Ts) from any individual who would want to attain

moksham at the end of this present life itself.

 

Pardom me if am asking " out of scope " questions to the group.

 

Thanks & Regards

R. Aravamudan [Arvind]

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Dear Mr.Aravamudan,

It is pleasure to know your interest in this subject.

But it is better to join groups like sharanagathi

or else. You can contact shri.Dr.Sadagopan in this subject to suggest a best

group for your purpose.

Kindly avoid using this group for continuously discussing about subjects other

than vaideekam, which will change the intention and purpose of this group.

P.S:- I am not against this matter, but as a moderator I have to go through all

the messages word by word to approve or reject the messages to keep the groups

quality, for which I have to spend many hours a day?!

If I blessed with that much of hours, I can do some more works related to this

group.

Even members are not helping by removing the old contents of their mails, all

are simply clicking the reply button and just typing type few lines what they

want to add and sneds. Here I have to spend much time to delete all those

contents?!!

nvs