Guest guest Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Good Morning Satish, Visiting Sabarimalai with 41 day penance is good from a religious as well as personal standpoint. Yes, you can visit Sabarimalai with out 41 day penance, however you will not or shall not go thru " Pathinettam Padi " , instead you should go thru the steps in the rear entrance or side entrance of the temple. You can have a good darshan of Lord Ayyappa. Ensure you are aware of the Temple timings. Having said all that I would also like to emphasize that the experience of visiting Sabarimalai after 41 days penance is beyond any kind of explanation. Have a nice journey:) Regards, Prasanna K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Sri: Dear members, I do not underrstand how the moderator has allowed this mail to be circulated when he is not circulating mails from me reg TV programs for SRIVAISHNAVAS HE CALLS HIMSELF A PRAPANNA[ that he should not even think of other deities like IYYAPPA]------MARANDHUM PURANTHOZHA MAANDHAR[refer THIRUMAZHISAI AAZHWARS PASURAM] dasan, N.PADMANABAN *** 1. This group is not only for Prappannas or Sri Vasihnavas. 2. He has not asked me directly about it, he wanted some information, and I had not added any information under that message. 3. Sharing the personal knowledge between members is different from using the group resources to make advertisement to a TV Program or to a website. Moderator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Dear Mr.Satish Bharathan Though a Srivaishnava, I visit the Holy Shrine every year. I consider that Lord Ayyappa as personification of Sri Sudarshanar. If it comes to your mind that you wish to take a trip to the Holy Shrine, please do so without any hesitation. You may be on tour (I also travel a lot) but make sure that the " penace " for 41 days prior to visit is kept whether you wear malai or not. In other words, keep yourself clean - mentally and physically; desist from female company; take food once a day and fruits only in the nights; as far as possible avoid things which give comfort to the body such as soft bed/pillows; take bath in cold water only; as far as possible avoid taking foods which are considered " rajas " ; keep your surroundings clean and do not mix with any bad company; go to a Ayyappa temple daily (if your tour is to a place where there is no Ayyappa temple, then go to any temple); do the dhyanam daily 10 or 24 or 108 times ( " Om Bhootanathaya Vidmahe, Bhava Puthrayadhimahi, Tanno Sastha Prachodayath " ); start seeing Lord Ayyappa in every human being and you will go very near to Him; if possible and you can have " maladhranam " also it is excellant and in your tours you can wear black dress (not necessarily dhoti). Lord Ayyappa is omnipotent and what He expects is a Antha-shuddi. Before you go the Holy Shrine invite Ayyappa Bhakthas for doing a pooja in your house followed by serving them with food. While on the way to the Holy Shrine, do not forget to visit Srivaishana Divya Kshetram: TIRUVALLAVAZH ( Tiruvalla ) This Divya kshetram is at Tiruvalla town near Kottayam in Kerala. The moolavar is Kolappiran also called Sri Vallabhan in standing posture. The Thayar is Selvathirukozhundu Nachiyar. The Theertham is Kandakarna Theertham and the Vimanam Chathurangakola Vimanam. There is a shrine for Viswaksenar. According to the sthala purana Shankara Mangalathammai used to observe Ekadasi vratham and feed one Brahmachari on the Dwadasi day. Tolakarana, a demon was creating hurdles to her vratham. Responding to her prayers the Lord killed the demon and came for the feast in the form of a Brahmachari, and later gave darsan to her with Lakshmi adorning His chest and gained the name Tiruvazhmarban. The place Tiruvalla originates from the presiding deity Vallabha. Alwar pasurangal : Nammaazhwar - 3205-15 and Tirumangai Azhwar - 1808 -17, 2674 (118). Also try to visit Srivaishana Divya Kshetram: TIRUKKODITTAANAM. This Divya kshetram is 3 Kms from Chengannacheri near Kottyam in Kerala. The moolavar is Athputha Narayana and the Thayar Karpagavalli. The Theertham is Bhoomi Theertham and the Vimanam Punyakoti Vimanam. Please share with us your divine experiences with all of us. Best regards B.K.Srinivasa Ragavan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 Dear Mr.K.Prasanna, Just a correction in your mail. One can climb up the Holy Padinettu Padi even without 41 days of penace. You can climb if you have the Maladharanam, carry Irumudi and wear black dhoti. Climbing the Padi is the pinnacle of the Vratam and one should not miss it. Regards B.K.Srinivasa Ragavan - Prasanna Karimanickam vaideekam Friday, October 19, 2007 8:47 PM Re: [Vaideekam] Visit to Sabarimalai Good Morning Satish, Visiting Sabarimalai with 41 day penance is good from a religious as well as personal standpoint. Yes, you can visit Sabarimalai with out 41 day penance, however you will not or shall not go thru " Pathinettam Padi " , instead you should go thru the steps in the rear entrance or side entrance of the temple. You can have a good darshan of Lord Ayyappa. Ensure you are aware of the Temple timings. Having said all that I would also like to emphasize that the experience of visiting Sabarimalai after 41 days penance is beyond any kind of explanation. Have a nice journey:) Regards, Prasanna K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 Dear Shri.Narasimhan Padmanabhan, Only Sriman Narayana can grant Moksha and all other deities can grant only other material comforts. If you visit any other temple other than Sriman Narayana as the presiding diety you as a Srivaishnava should not ask for any boon from the diety as they can give only materialistic boons. Only Perumal is the " Jyotinam Jyotihi " and other dieties draw power from Him. On the other hand if you see Sriman Narayana even when you stand before any other diety then you will see Him only in everywhere. If you feel that going to worship Sri Ayyappa is not for a Srivaishavite, please remember when we are sick, we go to the specialist who can cure us of his area; we do not go to a Cardiolist to cure common cold or cough. I am of personal opinion that sometimes we need to take solutions on certain trivial but persisting ailments by going to dieties like Sri Ayyappa, it will not be an act against prapatti. Keeping our body in a fit condition is also only to serve Sriman Narayana and with no other intention. This discussion is important and please correct me if I am wrong in my thinkings. Best regards Dasan, B.K.Srinivasa Ragavan - narasimhan padmanaban vaideekam Friday, October 19, 2007 9:10 PM Re: [Vaideekam] Visit to Sabarimalai Sri: Dear members, I do not underrstand how the moderator has allowed this mail to be circulated when he is not circulating mails from me reg TV programs for SRIVAISHNAVAS HE CALLS HIMSELF A PRAPANNA[ that he should not even think of other deities like IYYAPPA]------MARANDHUM PURANTHOZHA MAANDHAR[refer THIRUMAZHISAI AAZHWARS PASURAM] dasan, N.PADMANABAN *** 1. This group is not only for Prappannas or Sri Vasihnavas. 2. He has not asked me directly about it, he wanted some information, and I had not added any information under that message. 3. Sharing the personal knowledge between members is different from using the group resources to make advertisement to a TV Program or to a website. Moderator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 Sri RAmajayam SrimathE GopAla DEsikAya Namaha > I am of personal opinion > that sometimes we need to take solutions on certain > trivial but persisting ailments by going to dieties > like Sri Ayyappa, it will not be an act against > prapatti. Please desist from personal opinions, and provide qualified answers. Prapatthi, Prapanna, Mumukshu are used so casually, for which AchAryas have detailed & clear answers. So please seek the feet of an AchArya of JnAna-AnushtAna-VairAghyA (like DinAchArya scholars), and seek clarifications, especially Sri Vaishnavites and aspiring Srivaishnavites can benefit by seeking an AchArya of an Avichinna AchArya Parampara (unbroken guru parampara from Sriya Pathi to current AchArya). AdiyEn Sri RAmAnuja DAsan, Sudarsana DAsOsmi --- BKSRagavan <bks wrote: > Dear Shri.Narasimhan Padmanabhan, > Only Sriman Narayana can grant Moksha and all other > deities can grant only other material comforts. If > you visit any other temple other than Sriman > Narayana as the presiding diety you as a > Srivaishnava should not ask for any boon from the > diety as they can give only materialistic boons. > Only Perumal is the " Jyotinam Jyotihi " and other > dieties draw power from Him. On the other hand if > you see Sriman Narayana even when you stand before > any other diety then you will see Him only in > everywhere. If you feel that going to worship Sri > Ayyappa is not for a Srivaishavite, please remember > when we are sick, we go to the specialist who can > cure us of his area; we do not go to a Cardiolist to > cure common cold or cough. I am of personal opinion > that sometimes we need to take solutions on certain > trivial but persisting ailments by going to dieties > like Sri Ayyappa, it will not be an act against > prapatti. Keeping our body in a fit condition is > also only to serve Sriman Narayana and with no other > intention. > This discussion is important and please correct me > if I am wrong in my thinkings. > Best regards > Dasan, > B.K.Srinivasa Ragavan > - > narasimhan padmanaban > vaideekam > Friday, October 19, 2007 9:10 PM > Re: [Vaideekam] Visit to Sabarimalai > > > Sri: > Dear members, > I do not underrstand how the moderator has allowed > this mail to be circulated when he is not > circulating mails from me reg TV programs for > SRIVAISHNAVAS > HE CALLS HIMSELF A PRAPANNA[ that he should not > even think of other deities like > IYYAPPA]------MARANDHUM PURANTHOZHA MAANDHAR[refer > THIRUMAZHISAI AAZHWARS PASURAM] > dasan, > N.PADMANABAN > > *** > 1. This group is not only for Prappannas or Sri > Vasihnavas. > 2. He has not asked me directly about it, he > wanted some information, > and I had not added any information under that > message. > 3. Sharing the personal knowledge between members > is different from using the group resources to make > advertisement to a TV Program or to a website. > Moderator > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Messages are not moderated. The reply of interested > member will reach the sender only. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 Adiyen Namaskarangal, I do not agree with Srinivasa Ragavan swami , A person who has complete faith in Sriman Narayana need not go to other deities for temporary material desires. A true vaishnavite is a person who surrenders himself to our Lord Sriman Narayana and he will no longer seek favours from other dieties, he understands and believesthat the Lord will take care of him and will always seek t he refuge of the lords holy feet. I beg your pardon , if I have hurt you , but going to tother deites for small favours is in turn a depiction of non trust in Sriman Narayana. Adiyen Sridhar.S Sudarsan Parthasarathy.S. <sudarsanp BKSRagavan <bks; vaideekam Monday, 22 October, 2007 3:37:53 PM Re: [Vaideekam] Visit to Sabarimalai Sri RAmajayam SrimathE GopAla DEsikAya Namaha > I am of personal opinion > that sometimes we need to take solutions on certain > trivial but persisting ailments by going to dieties > like Sri Ayyappa, it will not be an act against > prapatti. Please desist from personal opinions, and provide qualified answers. Prapatthi, Prapanna, Mumukshu are used so casually, for which AchAryas have detailed & clear answers. So please seek the feet of an AchArya of JnAna-AnushtAna- VairAghyA (like DinAchArya scholars), and seek clarifications, especially Sri Vaishnavites and aspiring Srivaishnavites can benefit by seeking an AchArya of an Avichinna AchArya Parampara (unbroken guru parampara from Sriya Pathi to current AchArya). AdiyEn Sri RAmAnuja DAsan, Sudarsana DAsOsmi --- BKSRagavan <bks (AT) ptlonline (DOT) com> wrote: > Dear Shri.Narasimhan Padmanabhan, > Only Sriman Narayana can grant Moksha and all other > deities can grant only other material comforts. If > you visit any other temple other than Sriman > Narayana as the presiding diety you as a > Srivaishnava should not ask for any boon from the > diety as they can give only materialistic boons. > Only Perumal is the " Jyotinam Jyotihi " and other > dieties draw power from Him. On the other hand if > you see Sriman Narayana even when you stand before > any other diety then you will see Him only in > everywhere. If you feel that going to worship Sri > Ayyappa is not for a Srivaishavite, please remember > when we are sick, we go to the specialist who can > cure us of his area; we do not go to a Cardiolist to > cure common cold or cough. I am of personal opinion > that sometimes we need to take solutions on certain > trivial but persisting ailments by going to dieties > like Sri Ayyappa, it will not be an act against > prapatti. Keeping our body in a fit condition is > also only to serve Sriman Narayana and with no other > intention. > This discussion is important and please correct me > if I am wrong in my thinkings. > Best regards > Dasan, > B.K.Srinivasa Ragavan > - > narasimhan padmanaban > vaideekam@grou ps.com > Friday, October 19, 2007 9:10 PM > Re: [Vaideekam] Visit to Sabarimalai > > > Sri: > Dear members, > I do not underrstand how the moderator has allowed > this mail to be circulated when he is not > circulating mails from me reg TV programs for > SRIVAISHNAVAS > HE CALLS HIMSELF A PRAPANNA[ that he should not > even think of other deities like > IYYAPPA]---- --MARANDHUM PURANTHOZHA MAANDHAR[refer > THIRUMAZHISAI AAZHWARS PASURAM] > dasan, > N.PADMANABAN > > *** > 1. This group is not only for Prappannas or Sri > Vasihnavas. > 2. He has not asked me directly about it, he > wanted some information, > and I had not added any information under that > message. > 3. Sharing the personal knowledge between members > is different from using the group resources to make > advertisement to a TV Program or to a website. > Moderator > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Messages are not moderated. The reply of interested > member will reach the sender only. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Sri: Dear Sir, WHO TOLD YOU that ayyappa has become a household name throughout the WORLD. IS HE KNOWN IN RUSSIA dont blabber something and you are only trying to force your conclusions on others AS i have written in the past ONE MUST APPROACH ONES Aacharyan[guru] OR THE LEARNED scholars in their AACHARYA PARAMPARAI and get their doubts clarified, instead of coming to ones own conclusions[WHICH WILL BE WRONG MOST OF THE TIMES] dasan, N.PADMANABAN s Rajagopalan <s11081946 wrote: Swamin, Whether one likes or dislikes, a large chunk of Hindu population worship Ganapathy, Hanuman and Durgai(in many incarnations). It is common knowledge whether you find any other temple or not, temples for the three will find place in every habitation. Also the village Deity(Kula Deivam) is worshipped. There is no doubt that Vaishnava scripts describe Shriman Narayana as the Supreme Lord. But equally other faiths also have their versions about their Gods. Infact a small fraction of the Hindu community also visit Darghas and Churches. Ayyappa has become an household name throughout the world. His shrine is visited by many faiths and beliefs. It is one's belief and circumstances. What ever be the form, let us worship our preferred deity in those forms. When He resides in THOON and THURUMBU why not in other forms? E groups are not a few persons personal properties, though Moderator / owner starts them and moderate . They are discussion forums. So all sorts of ideas will crop in. We can not stop freedom of expressions. S Rajagopalan Share files, take polls, and discuss your passions - all under one roof. Click here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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