A clarification sought

[Guest guest]

SrI:

 

Dear Members of the Groups I moderate:

 

FYI.

V.Sadagopan

 

 

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Dr. Sadagopan

Oppiliappan

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:24 AM

Re: A clarification sought

 

 

Dear Sri Ravi Narayanan :

 

Thanks very much for your comments .

I agree with you and will try my best

to stay away from all distractions :

 

irrelevant topics , intellectual exercises

and misintrepretations , commercial

attempts to advertise company products and

all kinds of unnecessary intrusions

that distort the execution of the stated

mission of the groups I have the privelege

to moderate ( Saranagathy , Malolan ,

Vaideekam , Raama Bhakthi) . I am

moderating Vaideekam group for

a limited time , while the owner/Moderator

is tied up .

 

Members:Please do not be upset if I reject any

postings of yours in the above categories

for all other groups in the context of

their missions .

 

NamO SrI VenkatEsAya ,

V.Sadagopan

 

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ravi narayan

Oppiliappan

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:27 AM

Re: A clarification sought

 

 

Namaskaram,

 

I really appreciate your reply to this mail. This site should be operated

exclusively for oppiliappan and we should learn and listen only messages related

to Lord Rama. The concept of this website should never be diluted or

commercialised. I hope I am right at my thinking.

 

Regards

 

RAVI NARAYAN

 

" Dr. Sadagopan " <yennappan wrote:

Dear Srimathy Janaki :

 

Oppiliappan List is not the right group

to pose this academic question . Kumudham

Josyam or Vaideekam group is

better forum to tackle this kind of

Question . Astrology is different from

JyOthisham . As in the case of Economists ,

if there are 8 Jyothishars , there will be

nine opinions . Very rarely , you find

some one who is truly trained .

 

It is sad that some girls' or boy's life is

adversely affected by these prouttham based matches

and other similar things . Because

some one has Moolam , Aayilyam or some other

Nakshathram , people reject proposals

immediately . What is a parent to do ?

Blame the poor girl or the boy ? There are only

27 Nakshathrams after all .

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Sri :

 

Dear Sriman Sowmianarayanan :

 

Thanks very much for your thoughtful note .

Your points are well made . Bhagavath Bhakthi

and Ishta DevathA UpAsanam are two big

themes for AzhwArs , AchAryAs and NaadhOpaasakAs

and blessed poets .

 

The Chadal Pasasurams of Thirumangai

debate about the Vaibhavam of Raam and

KrishNa in the form of two ghOshtis of Gopis .

 

One KrishNa Bhakthar addresses Lord Raamachandra

and makes this request :

 

Oh SeethApathi! Please set aside Your bow named

KodhaNDam and the arrows and adorn the beautiful flute

in Your hand and decorate Your tresses with the peacock

feather . I will prostrate before You thereafter ( PascchAth

ThvAm praNamAmi) .

 

An ardent Raama Bhathar started the Aarabhi Pancha Rathnam:

SaadhinchanE to praise KrishNa ; halfway thru , his KrishNa-

dhyAnam was disturbed and the krithi vAkyams shifted to

his ishta Dhaivam , Sri Raama chandran . Elsewhere

this Saintly Bard says : Tava DaasOham and RaamachadrAth

anyam na jaanE .

 

Ditto for SrI Nrusimha and Sri HayagrIva BhakthAs .

 

As the goal of Oppiliappan Group , all celebrations

of Sriman NaarAyaNa is totally acceptable .

 

NamO SrIman NaarAyaNAya ,

V.Sadagopan

 

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srinivasan sowmianarayanan

Oppiliappan

Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:05 PM

Re: A clarification sought

 

 

Respectful Bhagavathas,

It was very kind of Dr Srimathi Ramanujam to justify adiyen's response to the

original query, but adiyen has apololgised for it.

As for distinction between Rama, Krishna etc., it occurs to adiyen's mind,

that is a unque aspect of our sampradaya. In this prakriti life, living beings

are all differ one from another even within one category like plant, animal and

human forms. The Lord also appears in different forms so that everyone of His

beings is attracted towards Him. In this way even Aasthikas can be brought. We

also see difference in the time frame like morning, day evening & night, winter,

summer etc. These are all to be transcended to get absorbed into the Lord Who is

one and one alone. His Divyaathma is one only, but with countless Divya mangala

vigrahas.

One Acharya indicated, for quick progress we have to confine ourselves to One

Acharya, One Deva, One Murthi and One Nama. It is to keep our mind in total

concentration so that there is no chalanam. Sri Krishna agrees, our mind is

sanchalah. Only through constant practice it can be controlled. To start with

one has to choose one murthy of the Lord with all His leelas in that form

according to the initial nature of our mental position.

Kindly excuse me if anything wrong adiyen said. After all adiyen is ignorant

basically.

With regards,

Srinivasan

Saroja Ramanujam <sarojram18 wrote:

I agree fully with Dr.Sadagopan that this site should be exclusively devoted

to bakthi. Of course Sri Sowmya narayanan only answered the question about

astrology since it is natural to give areplywhen you know the facts . But as

Mr.ravi Narayanan says this sir te is not restricted to the subject of

Oppipliappan or Rama alone. I do not think that as a devotee one should

distinguish between one form of the Lord and another as all are His

manifestations only. In fact Dr.Sadgopan has very knindly asked me to write on

yadhavabhyuadhaya , krishna karnamrtha and Ramyana etc.in this site and I have

been doing so.When we know that God is one, why to distinguish between even Rama

and krishna etc.?

saroja ramanujam

 

 

 

 

 

Dr. Saroja Ramanujam, M.A., Ph.D, Siromani in sanskrit.

Please visit www.freewebs.com/sarojaramanujam

www.freewebs.com/asrama3

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Respected Swamins,

In respect of the annual srardhams that is done, we, who live in flats

in cities face a dilemma regarding the disposing of the leaves after

the swamigal complete their bhojanam. In flats all around the area is

cemented or laid with interlocking slbas. We do not have any pond at

any reasonable distance. Even if we go to famous tanks, the

environmentalist object to throwing leaves. Cows do not come anywhere

near the flats. What are we to do? Whenever srardhams approach, we

shudder at this prospect of holding the used leaves after swamigal

bojanam. Things have changed. Cannot the learned shastric pandit find a

way out for this dilemma. For many things we have found a way out -

panchasamsakra without tuft, saints moving in vehicles, brahmins going

abroad and doing sankalpa at places beyong bharatha varsha. But for

these small things no one gives a way out, except the bruhaspathis

giving a veiled warning about any improper diposal of leaves.

Since this issue gives trouble at every srardham, I am seeking the

advice of the learned a way out.

With respects

GJ

 

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Well,

I do not thing that disposing the green leaves will create that much problem as

said by this member.

 

Also I abject the method he approached - mentioning other faults done by

gruhasthas and saints - by assuming himself it was accepted by shastram.

 

As I am a Bruhaspathy of Chennai City, I wish to suggest the following for

people who are doing shradham in small flats.

 

1) Paadha Prakshalanam :- It is difficult to found a place to accomodate three

or four persons in a place where some amount of water can be spent. Most people

are using the bathrooms for this purpose. But I used to do it in the hall

itself, by placing a big brass or ever silver plate and keeping the legs of

swami's in that plate in sitting or standing posture. It will be more perfect

than doing it in other places.

 

2) Disposal of green leaves :- It is very very simple. Lot of flower pots are

available in various sizes. We can buy one and fill it with sand or mud up to

half of it. After the completion of swami's bhojanam, wipe out all the wastages

into that flower pot and fill the balance portion of the pot again with sand or

mud. Keep the pot under a tree in the garden place of the flat, or even keep it

in the corner of the bathroom for few days and then dispose it. Wash the green

leaves well with water and give it to cow or sheep or just throw it in the dust

bin.

 

Do not try to commit faults by comparing with others.

Ekaha paapani kurute phalam bhunkthe maha janaha |

bhoktharo vipramuchyanthe kartha dhoshena lipyathe ||

nvs