Jump to content
IndiaDivine.org

Cost of srardham

Rate this topic


Guest guest

Recommended Posts



SrI:

 

Dear ALL : FYI.

V.Sadagopan

- Vijayaraghavan Chakravarthy

Oppiliappan Group

Sunday, December 28, 2008 12:16 PM

RE: Re: Cost of srardham

 

Dear ShrimAn Kochhappa & other Esteemed members who have expressed their thoughts on the above subject:

 

These are my humble views that somewhat differ from the views expressed so far.

 

We all complain of the cost involved in performing Vaideeka ceremonies. We are also seeing a steady decline in anushtAnams and the aachaarams required by those who officiate in our religious ceremonies and take part in Braahmanaarthams etc., The Bruhaspathees (except a small percentage) also lack the knowledge and the Shraddha required for performing Vaideeka ceremonies correctly and (as far as possible flawlessly). Overall, the cost aspect is only a small problem associated with the performance of Vaideeka ceremonies and our focus should be to increase the quality of these activities as laid down in the Shaastraas. Also, the e-Bruhaspathy while serving a noble goal cannot replace the divine presence of a Brahmana (who practices anushTanams and aachhaarams along with the spiritual qualities of “ashta vidham pushpamâ€), that is so vital to perform vaideeka Karmas. In the USA the problem is much more acute as temple priests who are trained in aagamaas perform Vaideeka karyams. What can we do collectively to improve the situation?

 

First: How we as “Lowkiikaas†have contributed to this problem: For people like Kochhappa, the question to be asked is: Am I contributing at least 3% of my income to Vaideeka Kaaryams and other charitable activities. Statistics show that we as Hindus completely lack the charitable spirit. We need to be generous and practice more wholeheartedly the spirit of giving. Otherwise our complaints have no meaning. We as Hindus need to increase the financial base for Vaideeka activities so that we attract talent and quality people to practice Vaideekam as a profession. We, who have given-up our village, our Vedic roots and the Brahmanical way of life (because of materialistic pursuits), should resist from complaining against the Vaadhyaars who apparently would also like to partake of the economic prosperity that we all enjoy - like cell phones, tv, cars etc - and money is the medium.

 

Second: How can we rekindle the “lowkiikaa’s†interest in Vaideeka kaaryams?. I think the solution lies in every Sri Vaishnava Brahmana learning a minimum of Vaideeka Kaaryams along with their regular education. The matams should focus on opening summer schools (2 to 4 weeks duration) or classes (after school-hours) where children can learn simple things like performing a punyahavaachanam, Upaakarmam, Sandhya vandanam, Bhagavat aaradhanam, Agni sandhaanam, and important mantraas of upanayanam, Vivaaham and Shrarddham etc. This is the only way we can create shraddha and the high standards required to perform the Vaideeka karmas. The proposed e-bruhaspathy can certainly supplement this need but it cannot be a replacement.

 

Finally, no organization including matams & temples can escape the need for money to offer quality services for the people that they intend to serve. We should whole-heartedly support them (by being lavish) but at the same time demanding high quality in their performance. In my humble opinion we should have a Vaideeka Association that will recognize exceptional “Bruhaspathiis†and encourage other Bruhaspathiis to constantly improve through continuing education.

Vijayaraghavan Srinivasan Chakravarthy

Buffalo/NYS. Vijayaraghavan Buffalo/NY

 

Oppiliappan From: kochappaaDate: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 11:43:42 +0530Re: Fw: Re: Cost of srardham

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sri:

Namaskaram to Sri. Sadagopan swamin.

At the outset kindly bear with the delay in my reply. My mail did not open for 3 days.

I am extremely grateful for the kind steps your goodself and Sriman nvs swamy offered. I will certainly render whatever assistance that I could do. The e bruhaspathi would be a great boon to many. I earnestly hope many asthikas will come forward to lend a helping hand.

Adiyen

Kochappaa

--- On Sun, 21/12/08, Dr.V.Sadagopan <yennappan (AT) computer (DOT) net> wrote:

Dr.V.Sadagopan <yennappan (AT) computer (DOT) net>Fw: Re: Cost of srardham"Ponnappan" <Oppiliappan >, "Sgt" <saranagathi >, "SG" <Tiruvenkatam >, "DS" <desikasampradaya >, RamanujaandDesika , "Swami" , "IRS" , "RB" <Raamabhakthi >, Rajeev (AT) parakalamatham (DOT) orgCc: "av" <ahobilavalli >, "Srikanth Veeraraghavan" <hindusrikanth >Sunday, 21 December, 2008, 6:18 PM

 

 

 Sri:

 

Dear Sri Kocchappa Iyengar :

 

Thanks for your mail and staying deeply interested .

Yes , Many have responded and the exchanges are good .

 

Time has now come to take action .

 

The intent in taking action and creating ways to address

the needs of sincere AasthikAs is to come up with a solution

based on modern technology ( Skype , Multimedia , Text

and Video ) so that many who long to perform SrAddhAs but

do not have access to knowledgable Brahaspathys as well as

limited by the steep costs requsted by some Bruhaspathys .

 

We do not plan to reduce the earnings of Bruhaspathys but

want to create a Bruhaspathy assisted performance of

annual SraaddhAs and Maasa TarpaNams etc . The thinking

on my mind is the creation of an ebruhaspathy approach , where

the karthA is assisted online . The technical problems

are addressable . Precursory instructions will be provided

so that one approaches the performance in a prepared state .

 

I come from a family of Bruhaspathys , whose strength was

in the Knowledge of Veda Mantraas and PrayOgams and

they earned very little .They went to extraordinary lengths

for AasthikAs to recite the Mantrams precisely and follow

the prayOgams without Mantra lObham . My grandfather

was an expert in both the Yajur and Saama Veda prayOgams .

They wer eindeed PurohitAs in the fullest sense of the term .

 

There are a few uncompromising Bruhaspathys , who do n ot

look upon their services as a business . SambhAvanai YathA

Sakthi can be made . Those who have can give and the others

can provide sambhAvanai within their means . Bottom line ,

Vaidhika KarmAs are carried out and mental peace is attained

thru the performance of these prescribed pitru karmAs .

 

It will take a little time to set this all up but can be done if

Sri Lakshmi Nrisimhan blesses us to proceed .

 

A Membership oriented organization has to be built

for efficent cooperation and effective scheduling .

It would be more than a full time activity for

that "ebruhaspathy " , who can perhaps be assisted

by similar minded people to ease the load on the assumption

that there will be a good usage of such services to AasthikAs .

 

Let me hear from you whether you like this proposal

so that I can work further on this and streamline this

process . It is a major effort and it is not worth pursuing

unless there is significant interest .

 

Oppiliappan Koil V.Sadagopan

Co-Moderator , Vaideekam Groups

 

 

 

 

 

- kochappa Iyengar

Oppiliappan

Saturday, December 20, 2008 2:27 AM

Re: Re: Cost of srardham

 

 

 

 

 

Adiyen is moved by the sincere response from a number of swamins on the cost of srardham and most have concurred that concern should be for reduction of cost so that people with little or moderate finance will not be driven to think of giving up the practice. However, I doubt whether most of the bruhaspathis will ever listen, as they have their own concerns. However, I prostrate to all those swamins who took the pains to spend time to ponder on the issue. Someday, solution might come.

One swami had remarked that one should understand the meaning and do the srardham. It is true but who is going to explain the detailed meaning of mantras to karthas, as bruhaspathi swamins have also have to race against time. But I request that at least if any one explain, at least briefly, the significance of the following steps in srardham, it would be of solace that the financial strain is compensated.

 

1.After agnisanthanm by wife and owpasanam etc., placing (dropping ) the annam with ghee in the Agni, for pithu, pitha maha, pravitha mahan, mathu pithamahi and prapithamahi.

 

2. Placing annam on the floor before the leaf of nimantrana swamigal, after serving food to them but before their start partaking the food.

 

3. Placing the rice ball to crow

 

4. Pinda pradhanam with water and thil after the above.

 

Of the above, which is very vital and really goes as food to the forefarthers, so that if some bruhaspathi rushes through and omits we can ask for?

Adiyen,

Kochappaa--- On Mon, 15/12/08, thirunarayanan swamy iyengar <nanu_04011955@ > wrote:

thirunarayanan swamy iyengar <nanu_04011955@ >Re: Re: Cost of srardhamOppiliappanMonday, 15 December, 2008, 9:10 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected swamy,I know one Sama vadhyar by name Sriman U.Ve.Devanatha Iyengar, he will help the person(s) who do not have sufficient money to pay to the vadhyaar. But he will get more sambhavanai whose status is high without fail.My periappa who was in Serangulam near Mannargudi. He will go to others house for srardham as "Swamin" take oil bath and food etc. But instead of sambhavanai, he will accept only " THULASI THALAM". Similarly, my mutual understanding when my periappa does srardham in his house, the swami will also take only THULASI THALAM as sambhavanai from my periappa.No one should demand money. We have to do all ceremonies by mutual understanding only.S.THIRUNARAYANAN of Karappangadu--- On Tue, 9/12/08, kidambi1950 <kidambi1950@ > wrote:

kidambi1950 <kidambi1950@ > Re: Cost of srardhamOppiliappanTuesday, 9 December, 2008, 10:43 PM

 

 

 

Oppiliappan, "kochappaa" <kochappaa@.. .> wrote:> i accept the views expressed by Sri. Kochappa. the brahaspathis has to consider the fianancial capacity of the karthas. moreover many of the brahapathis are not even bothered to perform the rites/rituals in full and many times, if the kartha is not having any knowledge of the mantras, they skip the mantras and complete the srartham in 30 minutes. so it is time for them to relaise and come forward to help the poor brahmins. ofcourse, i am capable of meeting the demands of the vadhyars but writing this letter over my willingness that the poor should not stop the srarthams due to financial bvurden

k.r.narasimhan> Respected swamins,> I want to share a haunting thought of mine. I am a retired middle > class pensioner in Banglaore. For the past 3 or so years I find > things are becoming very costly for doing annual pitru srardhams. > The charges are like this: Rs.650 for Bruhaspathi + small coins > Rs.50, Rs.600 for 2 swmingals, Rs.700 for thaligai swami and the > provisions Rs. 600. Thus the total cost of a srardham is Rs.2600. I > have to do two per year and arrange for the srardham of my poor > sister who passed away. Many middle class bramins must be facing > this kind of music. Can any middle class person can afford such > costs? Whether any other people from other religion or even other > caste people would spend like this annually on remembering the > departed souls? Rs.500 if donated to an orphanate or oldage home > would feed atleast 25 mouths. Where is our sect heading towards. I > am sure that unless our sect wakes up and rationalise and regulate > these fleecing bruhaspathis, the whole custom of peforming such > rites would quickly vanish. It is time, our mutts start some > registered body where they should register these bruhaspahtis and > swamins and fix reasonable tariff also.> > adiyen > Kochappaa>

 

Connect with friends all over the world. Get India Messenger.

 

From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India.

 

Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.

 

 

It’s the same Hotmail®. If by “same†you mean up to 70% faster. Get your account now.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 2 weeks later...

Sri:

 

Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama:

 

adiyen's 2 cents - I could be rewinding the same comments from many of

you but slightly differently:

 

1. The " bruhaspathy " industry needs standardization of practices, and

commonization of a " rate-card " system across the country and the

globe. Institutionalization could help this. Regional, national,

global institutions could be formed. Bruhaspathy's could register

themselves with the institution to provide services. I will discuss

the advantages of this institutionalization further in the posting.

 

2. Reaching people in remote locations. When orders start flowing

into the institution in a mass, the institution can then methodically

plan the logistics and deployment of Bruhaspathys to a local area

depending on the number of assignments there. This would save

tremendous amount of time. Today we see Bruhaspathys traveling from

one end of town to another spending lot of time on travel. Optimizing

travel could result in tremendous cost savings that could be passed on

to the customer.

 

3. The institution can use financial planning and forecasting methods

to determine demand-supply. At the same time, if one were to adopt

the model of Aravind Eye Hospital and Shankara Netralaya, the

institution could subsidize the cost of Shrardha for the lower income

group, by requesting higher income group people to pay a little more.

Payment can also be donation from people abroad in order to subsidize

the cost of Shrardha for some low income group person. Adiyen has

been a regular contributor to Shankara Netrayala who promtly send me

the names of people to whom they performed cataract operations with my

donation!

 

4. Institutionalization can help plan logistics better. If the

demand pattern shows a number of vaideeka karyam demand in a

particular rural area during a particular period - say a week or 2

weeks, a bruhaspathy could be sent there for that short period to stay

and perform all karyams.

 

5. In addition, the institution could consider offering e-bruhaspathy

services over web, webcam, videophone, or simply a phone after

establishing its feasibility by considering the variables that are

needed to perform vaideeka karyams.

 

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan,

 

Sudarshan

 

 

 

 

 

 

vaideekam , sounderrajan srinivasan

<nssr1941 wrote:

>

> Respected Sir,

>  

>  I fully agree with the Views expressed by Shriman Dr.V.Sadagopan.

>  

>  In Singapore for instance the Association has to be informed for

our needs and we are provided with all the facility to perform our

Vaideeka ceremonys. There is a standard Charge( may be comparitively

high) but it renders a Good and Quality Service.

>  

>    We should have a begining on these aspects and those who are

not qualified for the job should be sidelined.

>  Regards,

>  N.S.Sounderrajan.

>

>

> --- On Mon, 29/12/08, Dr.V.Sadagopan <yennappan wrote:

>

> Dr.V.Sadagopan <yennappan

> [Vaideekam] Fw: Re: Cost of srardham

> vaideekam

> Monday, 29 December, 2008, 9:27 AM



> SrI:

>  

> Dear ALL : FYI.

> V.Sadagopan

> -

> Vijayaraghavan Chakravarthy

> Oppiliappan Group

> Sunday, December 28, 2008 12:16 PM

> RE: Re: Cost of srardham

>

>

>

> Dear ShrimAn Kochhappa & other Esteemed members who have expressed

their thoughts on the above subject:

>  

> These are my humble views that somewhat differ from the views

expressed so far.

>  

> We all complain of the cost involved in performing Vaideeka

ceremonies.  We are also seeing a steady decline in anushtAnams and

the aachaarams required by those who officiate in our religious

ceremonies and take part in Braahmanaarthams etc.,  The Bruhaspathees

(except a small percentage) also lack the knowledge and the Shraddha

required for performing Vaideeka ceremonies correctly and (as far as

possible flawlessly).  Overall, the cost aspect is only a small

problem associated with the performance of Vaideeka ceremonies and our

focus should be to increase the quality of these activities as laid

down in the Shaastraas.  Also, the e-Bruhaspathy while serving a

noble goal cannot replace the divine presence of a Brahmana (who

practices anushTanams and aachhaarams along with the spiritual

qualities of “ashta vidham pushpamâ€), that is so vital to perform

vaideeka Karmas.  In the USA the problem is much more acute as temple

priests who are trained in

> aagamaas perform Vaideeka karyams.  What can we do collectively to

improve the situation?

>  

> First: How we as “Lowkiikaas†have contributed to this

problem:  For people like Kochhappa, the question to be asked is: Am

I contributing at least 3% of my income to Vaideeka Kaaryams and other

charitable activities.  Statistics show that we as Hindus completely

lack the charitable spirit.  We need to be generous and practice more

wholeheartedly the spirit of giving.  Otherwise our complaints have

no meaning.  We as Hindus need to increase the financial base for

Vaideeka activities so that we attract talent and quality people to

practice Vaideekam as a profession.  We, who have given-up our

village, our Vedic roots and the Brahmanical way of life (because of

materialistic pursuits), should resist from complaining against the

Vaadhyaars who apparently would also like to partake of the economic

prosperity that we all enjoy - like cell phones, tv, cars etc -  and

money is the medium. 

>  

> Second:  How can we rekindle the “lowkiikaa’s†interest in

Vaideeka kaaryams?.  I think the solution lies in every Sri Vaishnava

Brahmana learning a minimum of Vaideeka Kaaryams along with their

regular education.  The matams should focus on opening summer schools

(2 to 4 weeks duration) or classes (after school-hours) where children

can learn simple things like performing a punyahavaachanam,

Upaakarmam, Sandhya vandanam, Bhagavat aaradhanam, Agni sandhaanam,

and important mantraas of upanayanam, Vivaaham and Shrarddham etc. 

This is the only way we can create shraddha and the high standards

required to perform the Vaideeka karmas.  The proposed e-bruhaspathy

can certainly supplement this need but it cannot be a replacement.

>  

> Finally, no organization including matams & temples can escape the

need for money to offer quality services for the people that they

intend to serve.  We should whole-heartedly support them (by being

lavish) but at the same time demanding high quality in their

performance.  In my humble opinion we should have a Vaideeka

Association that will recognize exceptional “Bruhaspathiis†and

encourage other Bruhaspathiis to constantly improve through continuing

education. 

>

> Vijayaraghavan Srinivasan Chakravarthy

>  Buffalo/NY

> S. Vijayaraghavan Buffalo/NY

>

>

>

>

>

> Oppiliappan

> kochappaa (AT) (DOT) co.in

> Thu, 25 Dec 2008 11:43:42 +0530

> Re: Fw: Re: Cost of srardham

>

>

>

Sri:

> Namaskaram to Sri. Sadagopan swamin.

> At the outset kindly bear with the delay in my reply. My mail

did not open for 3 days.

> I am extremely grateful for the kind steps your goodself and Sriman

nvs swamy offered. I will certainly render whatever assistance that I

could do. The e bruhaspathi would be a great boon to many. I earnestly

hope many asthikas will come forward to lend a helping hand.

> Adiyen

> Kochappaa

>

>

> --- On Sun, 21/12/08, Dr.V.Sadagopan <yennappan (AT) computer (DOT) net> wrote:

>

> Dr.V.Sadagopan <yennappan (AT) computer (DOT) net>

> Fw: Re: Cost of srardham

> " Ponnappan " <Oppiliappan>, " Sgt " <saranagathi@

. com>, " SG " <Tiruvenkatam>, " DS "

<desikasampradaya>, RamanujaandDesika@ .

com, " Swami " <>, " IRS " <@

. com>, " RB " <Raamabhakthi>,

Rajeev@parakalamath am.org

> Cc: " av " <ahobilavalli>, " Srikanth Veeraraghavan "

<hindusrikanth@ gmail.com>

> Sunday, 21 December, 2008, 6:18 PM

>

>

>

>

> 

> Sri:

>  

> Dear Sri Kocchappa Iyengar :

>  

> Thanks for your mail and staying deeply interested .

> Yes , Many have responded and the exchanges are good . 

>  

> Time has now come to take action .

>  

> The intent in taking action and creating ways to address

> the needs of sincere AasthikAs is to come up with a solution

> based on modern technology ( Skype , Multimedia , Text

> and Video ) so that many who long to perform SrAddhAs but

> do not have access to knowledgable Brahaspathys as well as

> limited by the steep costs requsted by some  Bruhaspathys . 

>  

> We do not plan to reduce the earnings of Bruhaspathys but

> want to create a Bruhaspathy assisted performance of

> annual SraaddhAs and Maasa TarpaNams etc . The thinking

> on my mind is the creation of an ebruhaspathy approach , where

> the karthA is assisted online . The technical problems 

> are addressable . Precursory instructions will be provided 

> so that one approaches the performance in a prepared state .  

>  

> I come from a family of Bruhaspathys , whose strength was

> in the Knowledge of Veda Mantraas and PrayOgams and

> they earned very little .They went to extraordinary lengths

> for AasthikAs to recite the Mantrams precisely and follow

> the  prayOgams without Mantra lObham . My grandfather

> was an expert in both the Yajur and Saama Veda prayOgams .

> They wer eindeed PurohitAs in the fullest sense of the term .

>  

> There are a few uncompromising Bruhaspathys , who do n ot

> look upon their services as a  business . SambhAvanai YathA

> Sakthi can be made . Those who have can give and the others

> can provide sambhAvanai within their means . Bottom line ,

> Vaidhika KarmAs are carried out and mental peace is attained

> thru the performance of these prescribed pitru karmAs .

>  

> It will take a little  time to set this all  up but can be done if

> Sri Lakshmi Nrisimhan blesses us to proceed .

>  

> A Membership oriented organization has to be built

> for efficent cooperation and effective scheduling .

> It would be more than a full time activity for

> that " ebruhaspathy " , who can perhaps be assisted

> by similar minded people to ease the load on the assumption

> that there will be a good usage of such services to AasthikAs .

>  

> Let me hear from you whether you like this proposal

> so that I can work further on this and streamline this

> process . It is a major effort and it is not worth pursuing

> unless there is significant interest . 

>  

> Oppiliappan Koil V.Sadagopan 

> Co-Moderator , Vaideekam Groups       

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

> -

> kochappa Iyengar

> Oppiliappan

> Saturday, December 20, 2008 2:27 AM

> Re: Re: Cost of srardham

Adiyen is moved by the sincere response from a number of swamins on

the cost of srardham and most have concurred that concern should be

for reduction of cost so that people with little or moderate finance

will not be driven to think of giving up the practice. However, I

doubt whether most of the bruhaspathis will ever listen, as they have

their own concerns. However,  I prostrate to all those swamins who

took the pains to spend time to ponder on the issue. Someday, solution

might come.

> One swami had remarked that one should understand the meaning and do

the srardham. It is true but who is going to explain the detailed

meaning of mantras to karthas, as bruhaspathi swamins have also have

to race against time. But I request that at least if any one explain,

at least briefly, the significance of the following steps in srardham,

it would be of solace that the financial strain is compensated.

>  

> 1.After agnisanthanm by wife and owpasanam etc., placing (dropping )

the annam with ghee in the Agni, for pithu, pitha maha, pravitha

mahan, mathu pithamahi and prapithamahi.

>  

> 2. Placing annam on the floor before the leaf of nimantrana

swamigal, after serving food to them but before their start partaking

the food.

>  

> 3. Placing the rice ball to crow

>  

> 4. Pinda pradhanam with water and thil after the above.

>  

> Of the above, which is very vital and really goes as food to the

forefarthers, so that if some bruhaspathi rushes through and omits we

can ask for?

> Adiyen,

> Kochappaa

> --- On Mon, 15/12/08, thirunarayanan swamy iyengar <nanu_04011955@

> wrote:

>

> thirunarayanan swamy iyengar <nanu_04011955@ >

> Re: Re: Cost of srardham

> Oppiliappan

> Monday, 15 December, 2008, 9:10 PM

>

>

Respected swamy,

>

> I know one Sama vadhyar by name Sriman U.Ve.Devanatha Iyengar, he

will help the person(s) who do not have sufficient money to pay to the

vadhyaar.   But he will get more sambhavanai whose status is high

without fail.

>

> My periappa who was in Serangulam near Mannargudi.  He will  go to

others house for srardham as " Swamin " take oil bath and food etc.  

But instead of sambhavanai, he will accept only " THULASI THALAM " .  

Similarly, my mutual understanding when my periappa

> does srardham in his house, the swami will also take only THULASI

THALAM as sambhavanai from my periappa.

>

> No one should demand money.  We have to do all ceremonies by mutual

understanding only.

>

> S.THIRUNARAYANAN of Karappangadu

>

>

> --- On Tue, 9/12/08, kidambi1950 <kidambi1950@ > wrote:

>

> kidambi1950 <kidambi1950@ >

> Re: Cost of srardham

> Oppiliappan

> Tuesday, 9 December, 2008, 10:43 PM

Oppiliappan, " kochappaa " <kochappaa@ .> wrote:

> > i accept the views expressed by Sri. Kochappa. the brahaspathis

has to consider the fianancial capacity of the karthas. moreover many

of the brahapathis are not even bothered to perform the rites/rituals

in full and many times, if the kartha is not having any knowledge of

the mantras, they skip the mantras and complete the srartham in 30

minutes. so it is time for them to relaise and come forward to help

the poor brahmins. ofcourse, i am capable of meeting the demands of

the vadhyars but writing this letter over my willingness that the poor

should not stop the srarthams due to financial bvurden    

> k.r.narasimhan

> > Respected swamins,

> > I want to share a haunting thought of mine. I am a retired middle

> > class pensioner in Banglaore. For the past 3 or so years I find

> > things are becoming very costly for doing annual pitru srardhams.

> > The charges are like this: Rs.650 for Bruhaspathi + small coins

> > Rs.50, Rs.600 for 2 swmingals, Rs.700 for thaligai swami and the

> > provisions Rs. 600. Thus the total cost of a srardham is Rs.2600. I

> > have to do two per year and arrange for the srardham of my poor

> > sister who passed away. Many middle class bramins must be facing

> > this kind of music. Can any middle class person can afford such

> > costs? Whether any other people from other religion or even other

> > caste people would spend like this annually on remembering the

> > departed souls? Rs.500 if donated to an orphanate or oldage home

> > would feed atleast 25 mouths. Where is our sect heading towards. I

> > am sure that unless our sect wakes up and rationalise and regulate

> > these fleecing bruhaspathis, the whole custom of peforming such

> > rites would quickly vanish. It is time, our mutts start some

> > registered body where they should register these bruhaspahtis and

> > swamins and fix reasonable tariff also.

> >

> > adiyen

> > Kochappaa

> >

>

>

>

> Connect with friends all over the world. Get India Messenger.

>

>

>

> From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India.

>

>

> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.

>

>

>

>

> It’s the same Hotmail®. If by “same†you mean up to 70%

faster. Get your account now.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

http://messenger./invite/

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Sri:

Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama:

 

Please do not mis-understand the " rate-card " to be a limiting factor.

The idea of the standardization of the rates is to set expectations

with consumers, while at the same time, those who are highly

appreciative of the Bruhaspathy can pay more than the suggested rates.

you may consider this more as " suggested minimum rate. " I do

acknowledge that " One needs rigorous training in vaidhikam and Vedam. "

The idea of the minimum suggested rate is to ensure that

Bruhaspathies earn well as well, while setting an expectation with

customers. I have not suggested any " limiting " rates - this would be

dependent on market factors - that includes the locality, and spending

power of the consumer. I have not said anywhere in my posting that

the rates should be increased. In fact, as the spending power of the

consumer increases, the rates would be revised.

 

The suggestion of institutionalization is merely to make the industry

an organized one, and enhance the earning power of the Bhruhaspathy

community. It improves their collective bargaining power as a service

provider. AT the same time, institutionalization allows the ability

to address consumer grievances and exceptions (like lower income group

customers) in a more structured manner than treating them as ad-hoc.

 

Your analogy with Doctor community is a good one - However, you have

not considered that the Doctor community is itself institutionalizing

under " hospitals " and other institutions. You may want to look at the

medical practices in the US for example. Practically everywhere in

the US, doctors practice under the umbrella of an institution - which

then s to an insurance, and owns the costs of defending the

doctor when there is a law suit. That is why the cost of medical

treatment in the US is so high. India is slowly catching up with the

US in this matter, and one day you will find individual doctors

charging whatever they want to will vanish.

 

On the otherhand, have you considered? If doctors, make a mistake,

the patient may no live, and could become crippled for life.

Therefore customers (Patients) have the right to sue a doctor for

committing a mistake. If Bruhaspathy makes a mistake - perhaps cuts

short a procedure in order to make time to go to another appointment,

who do you go to? Today, individual Bruhaspathys do not have the

" collective bargaining power " an institution can offer - and therefore

have to charge at will. Many times there is disappointment with the

customer over what a Bruhaspathy charges, and at the same time,

disappointment with the Bruhaspathy over what the customer is willing

to pay. When a relatively poorer customer cannot afford to pay more,

the bruhaspathy is disappointed, and that leaves the

well-intentioned-yet-incapable-to-pay customer even more disappointed!

As the disappointment grows over years, people look for ways to avoid

these expenses! Somebody in the list asked whether we Hindus as a

community pay even 3% of our salary to charity or vaideeka karyams.

It is a good question to ask the top 10% of the salaried class in

India! Only they probably read and particiapte in these forums.

Remaining 90% of the salaried class do not participate in these

forums, nor own a computer. Even if they do own a computer, they do

not have Internet. They are busy preparing their monthly expense

account, keeping track of much they earned, and how much they paid for

what.

 

The idea of the institutionalization of this industry is:

 

1. Do not overcharge the customer.

2. yet, ensure Bruhaspathys earn well - achieved by implementing

" cost-saving " features by studying the demand-supply dynamics in a

region, and promoting remote bruhaspathy services for regions that are

very remote, and perhaps very poor.

3. Improve the collective bargaining of the customer groups as well

as Bruhaspathys

 

 

 

 

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan

 

Sudarshan

 

 

vaideekam , venkat chari <venkigopu wrote:

>

> SrI:

> What a comparison?

> When it comes in getting a medical treatment, no one says the

doctors fee or charges are high. There is no such suggestion in

limiting the lawyer or doctor's charges. When a medical professional

has freedom to charge their fees for the services rendered, why is a

Bruhaspati being asked to limit the sambhavana for their service? 

When there is a pay raise (D.A.) announced  by Govt. Of India, our

vendors like milkman increase the prices of commodity we buy. Do we

say that price increase is too much and it should be restricted? Can

we do anything about?

>

> Why not we respect our bruhaspati for what they do? Not everyone can

become a priest. One needs rigorous training in vaidhikam and Vedam.

>

> dasan.

> --- On Thu, 1/8/09, Sudarshan <sudarshan_ji wrote:

> Sudarshan <sudarshan_ji

> [Vaideekam] Fw: Re: Cost of srardham

> vaideekam

> Thursday, January 8, 2009, 12:33 PM

>

>

>

>

>

Sri:

>

>

>

> Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama:

>

>

>

> adiyen's 2 cents - I could be rewinding the same comments from many of

>

> you but slightly differently:

>

>

>

> 1. The " bruhaspathy " industry needs standardization of practices, and

>

> commonization of a " rate-card " system across the country and the

>

> globe. Institutionalizatio n could help this. Regional, national,

>

> global institutions could be formed. Bruhaspathy' s could register

>

> themselves with the institution to provide services. I will discuss

>

> the advantages of this institutionalizatio n further in the posting.

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Sri:

Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama:

 

Adiyen would like to clarify more on my previous posting.

 

Institutionalization means setting up a company. Bruhaspathys can

sign-up to work for this company. The company would publish the

standardized rates and pubicize/market Bruhaspathy's services through

various means. Like every other company, this company would have

financials, balance sheet, income statements, etc.

 

Bruhaspathy's would be compensated for their services either as a

monthly salary or a percentage of income from services performed.

Adiyen's opinion is that a monthly salary model would benefit many

Bruhaspathys as it takes care of months when sales is low. However,

for the benefit of realizing its potential, the model must remain open

and take Bruhaspathy's apprehensions,if any, with the operating model

into account.

 

The rates published by the company are no means a limiting factor as

the rates could be reviewed and revised annually taking into account

salaries paid to administrative staff, and other overheads like

publicity and advertising.

 

Customers can sign-up with the company for Bruhspathy services and

payments would be made to the company prior to the event - through

check or credit card. On top of this payment, well-intentioned

customers may also pay the Bruhaspathy at their residences when the

event is conducted. This is entirely up to them, and this would be an

additional earning for Bruhaspathys.

 

Depending on the number of customers that sign-up for services - the

company may modify and offer various " package " rates to customers -

for instance, a customer may sign-up for a package of 12 events in a

year for a package rate and make payments for the package on a monthly

basis. This way, the customers are allowed to financially plan for

year long events - most of which are known at the beginning of the

year itself. Services offered would also include, besides shrardhams,

marriages, and other sanskaramams - basically all vaidheeka karyams.

In addition, few regular features like pre-recorded Amavasya

Sankalpams, (dial-in service) may be offered to regular customers for

free.

 

Lower income group members may submit an application for the company's

consideration for lower rates based on " yathashakti. " The company

could subsidize services for them based on its own financial position.

 

Another advantages is that, since this would be run as a

professionally run company, based on its financial health, the company

may also take bridge loans as needed, for working capital. The

company may extend loans to Bruhaspathys that for it, for personal

needs, based on its financials.

 

I would like to humbly submit this idea for the groups consideration

and follow-up as I felt there are immense benefits to the community as

well as to the Bruhaspathys. The intention is create a win-win

situation for everyone concerned with this matter. However, the

success of the idea depends on its implementation. Should members

have more questions, adiyen will try my sincere best to answer, and

modify the idea to suit various situations, and ally any

apprehensions. Please treat this as an evolving idea than a

completely conceptualized one. That means, other members who agree

with the idea may post their approval or add features to it.

 

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan

 

Sudarshan

 

 

***

I very much appreciate the proposals of Sri Sudharsan,

Also I wish add my opinions below:

 

***

Again and again all are much worrying about lower income group.

I wish to clarify a thing; as logic, if one is getting less income, then the

time spending for his job will be equally less.

So, he may have much time to spend on vaideeka things to learn and practice.

 

By this he can reduce his own vaideeka expenses and as well as he could earn

extra money.

So, this is not good to talk about less income group. Actually less income group

are not at all minding this.

With my experience I can assure, that people who are not agreeing to spend money

(though capaple) only shouting about the rates and hikes.

Let it be.

 

My ambition is :

There will not be a group of people to do only bArhaspathyam (bruhaspathyship)

in the future.

It means, majority of us should know everything. It can be possible by

performing the upanayana samkaram to all male children at the age of seven,

and every child should (must) spend few minutes everyday to learn the vaideeka

karmas bit by bit.

People are often confusing with veda pArAyaNam and vaideekam, both are entirely

different.

The Ahobila mutt Oriental School in West Mambalam is very well training complete

vedam (of their own) side by side from sixth to 12th.

 

People can encourrage such activities and those boys in the future to utilize

them, by which they can keep the vedam in memory.

 

Now I am trying to teach interested people to manage as a bruhaspathy in the

foregin places. I hope, it will increase the strength of people willing to do

vaideeka karamas and can put in the links.

 

My worries are; most of the members are willing to support other to perform as a

bruhaspathy and nobody is willing to come forward as one.

It is something like, saluting and donating the soldiers to protect the nation

instead of becomming a soldier.

regards,

nvs

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
×
×
  • Create New...