RE: HR & CE - How it works on certain issues

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Thank you Sriman Hamsan, for your efforts to clarify on certain issues.I very much agree that most of our opinions are generated through apprehensions and we must seriously try to read the organisations' bylaws to learn about the rules and guidelines that actually are put to practise (atleast expected to be practised).

I do not have the age or experience with temple administration to give suggestions beyond the points I did raise earlier, which have been in the back of my mind for quite sometime.

The only appeal I have is to the public to actively participate in temple activities and to have vibrant community participation in policy and decision making of the HRCE; And to progressively effect a situation where in HRCE sees itself to be a redundant body and considers transferring administrative duties to the locals, retaining only the supervising rights with themselves.

Regards,DasanSriram R2009/10/19 Hamsan <hamsantg

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear shri Sriram,

 

There is nothing personal in your remarks.Myself as an employee of HR & CE try to clarify some of your opinions regarding sale of temple lands.

 

The following procedures are adopted while making a temple land sale.

 

a) whether the land proposed to be sold is in anyway usefule to temple?

 

b) whether the organisation which buys the temple land has any other option other than this temple land

 

c)the prevailing market value and the guideline value(obtained from the local sub registrar)of the area in which the temple land is situated.

 

d)150% of guideline value or market value(whichever is beneficial to temple) is calculated to the total land extent.

 

e)opinion from the general public is obtained regarding the land sale by publising a notice in the temple notice board

 

f)the sale proceeds obtained from the land sale will be deposited in permenant nature and the interest amount only will be utilised for the daily poojas etc, and the FD amount will remain untouched.

 

g) Inspection and auditing are made by the Higher officials of this department for the correctness of the procedure.

 

h) There is a general circular for us not to incline towards sale of temple lands in first hand and we were well aware of the Golden egg laying goose theory.

 

It may be surprising for you but there is insturction for us to buy lands in the name of temple when there is surplus funds in that temple.

 

You have made a valuable suggestions about competitive bidding.

 

Right now competitive biddings are adopted in the following areas.

 

i) shops which are within temple premises which provide archanai items, ghee, parikaram items, books etc.

 

ii) agricultural land,temple tanks, usufructs of trees, thulabaram items, offerings such as sarees, dhoties etc,

 

iii) tenders for prasadams, construction etc.

 

Regarding the sites for offices for other government departments the government may think it as a capital expenditure rather than a revenue expenditure. The decision are made by policy makers of the government and I will try my best to implement your valuable suggestion.

 

I think my explaination to you in this matter may satisfy you. I appreciate your feed back but please make it as suggestion rather than remarks or comments.

 

The following opinions are PERSONAL and it has nothing to do with my employment.

 

There is an irritation within general public about the functioning of some government department or organisations. The vexed mind may be due to its red tapism, corruption etc. We are part of this system.In one way or other we are partly are wholly responsible for this situation. For that we may answer the following questions with conscience.

 

a) Do we excercise our voting franchise promptly?

b) Don't we bribe inorder to get speedy disposal of our work?

c) Don't we use special tickets to avoid serpent queue to have a divya darshan of our graceful deity?

d) Don't we try to avoid taxes if we can?

e) Do we care of our environment?

e) Least of all do we obey traffic rules if there is no supervision?

 

It is our duty to clean it. We have to give our generations a pleasant country to live with.

 

Thanks for your valuble time.

 

Thanks again

 

Hamsan.

 

Oppiliappan , Sriram Raghunath <rsiriraam wrote:

>

> Sriman Raguveeradayal,

> Please do not trivialise your sentiments by comparing with other religious

> institutions. The opposition to " some " activities by the HRCE, in my

> opinion, is to be addressed on a different note.

>

> Dear HRCE Inspector Sriman Hamsan,

>

> Please do not take it personally, it is your office and the department that

> some of us are unhappy with and as rightful citizens we are entitled to

> critise and show our grudge against " some " of the policies of " some "

> Government institutions and handling of religious board(s) in a manner

> similar to PWD or TNEB and at times even at poorer standards.

>

> Land endowed to a temple were originally to yield revenue to sustain the

> regular activities of the temple. In today's scenario, temples close to

> urban areas cannot depend on agricultural revenue; instead they go about

> leasing the land for a long term to some commercial building and take the

> agreed rent as the revenue. In the case of " Government organisations and

> departments which are essential to the general public " needing a site to

> have their office, the lands belonging to the temples could very well have

> been leased at a commercial price so that the temple's interest is

> safeguarded and the land is still with the Temple. Instead laws pertaining

> to HRCE seem to encourage cutting the golden egg laying goose for a mere one

> time payment.

>

> Despite personally being opposed to sale of lands, I am interested to know

> if the HRCE can site any evidence where in the leasing or sale of the land

> been open to public and these " Government organisations and departments

> which are essential to the general public " did compete with other commercial

> organisations in any auction, so that through the competition, the temple

> would actually benefit. Property any other govt. organisation is usually

> auction. We would be happy if " the Policy Note of this department,

> presented by Hon'ble Minister for HR & CE " contains records of competitive

> bidding and the arrangements made with the funds generated by the sale of

> lands be utilised for a steady income for the temples to sustain themselves.

>

> I admit that I thought only once before writing this response, but will

> definitely appreciate if the Institution under scrutiny does atleast that.

>

> -

> Regards,

>

> Dasan

> Sriram R

>

>

>

> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:25 PM, <rajamragu wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Sri Hamsan,

> >

> > Can you show a single instance of selling a property belonging to a Church

> > or Mosque for public utilities? Or can you prove that all that lands sold by

> > HR & CE were utilised for that particular purposes?

> >

> > dasan,

> >

> > T.Raguveeradayal

> >

> > ---- Hamsan <hamsantg wrote:

> > >

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I am T.G.Hamsan working as inspector in HR & CE. I strongly oppose to your

> > views expressed in your post relating to the sale of temple lands. The Act

> > and rules for Hindu religious and Charitable Endowments department provides

> > various protection and upkeepment of temples and its properties. The sale of

> > temple lands are done only to government organisations or departments which

> > are essential to general public. The proceeds from the land sale are

> > deposited in the name of the particular temple. As I have already said in my

> > earlier post all your queries about the functioning of this department can

> > be had through RTI Act. The infrastructure and various schemes implemented

> > by this department and its current status can be obtained from the Policy

> > Note of this department, presented by Hon'ble Minister for HR & CE. Please

> > think twice before you post anything.

> >

> > Thanks for your time.

> >

> > T.G.Hamsan.

> >

> >

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> [Rediff: But you cannot deny the fact that English is a must for the

> society, especially in today's world.

>

> Gurumurthy: A must is different from being worshipped. Toilet is very

> necessary, but will you do pooja there? ]

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-- Sriram R[Rediff: But you cannot deny the fact that English is a must for the society, especially in today's world.Gurumurthy: A must is different from being worshipped. Toilet is very necessary, but will you do pooja there? ]