Guest guest Posted July 28, 2003 Report Share Posted July 28, 2003 SrI: Dear bhAgavadhOthAmAs I came across this werbsite http://home.earthlink.net/~pushpasri/vedanta/dialect_dv.html >> Vishishtadvaita is an attempt at reconciliation of bheda (difference) and abheda (identity) shrutis. VishishtAdvaita posits a 'sharIra-sharIri' (body-soul) kind of relationship between the jIva and the Lord. The jIvas and the matter are like a body that is energized and activated by the soul, which in this case, is Narayana. (This is a different flavour of identity-in/and/cum-difference relationships; others being 'dvaitAdvaita' of Nimbarka, 'bhedAbheda' of Bhaskara, Gaudiya achintyabhedAbheda). They are just attributes of the Lord. The Lord and His attributes are inseparable; just as the 'redness' of a red Lotus is inseparable from the Lotus itself. Thus, the soul and the Lord are in a way identical to each other, but different from each other. Analysis Whatever be the flavour of the concept of identity-in-difference used, it can be easily observed that difference needs to be posited at the root of this relation. Accordingly, Ramanuja accepts in his Vedarthasangraha that the Lord and the jIva are mutually distinct in their nature and attributes and that their attributes cannot be mutually transposed. If difference were to be considered as 'intrinsic' or natural, positing identity is superfluous. The abheda (non-difference or identity) statements are interpreted in terms of the Lord being the energizer, motivator, and controller of the Jiva. Such being the case, there is no identity to speak of in the first place, to have identity-cum-difference. The relation between an object and its attributes cannot be explained in known terms of either absolute identity or difference (which are the only two possible relations). The entity cannot be absolutely identical with its attributes, for (among several reasons), the difference between the attributes themselves cannot be explained. On the other hand, if the attributes, say lotusness, were to be treated as 'different' from the object, the difficulty would be in answering this: If the object (X) is said to be different from its attributes (Y), what exactly constitutes 'the object' X? What exactly is implied by the term, 'object' (X)? In a Vishishtadvaitin's conception of the relation of 'aprathaksiddhatva' of object and its attributes, difference between the same would be accepted at the root of this relation too. Obviously, there is hardly any sense in considering identical entities to be 'non-separable'. These arguments are not for empty philosophical speculation, but have their spiritual concerns. Consider the famous shruti from Taittiriya Upanishad, 'satyaM jnAnaM anantaM brahma'. Here, it is said that Brahman is said to possess 'satyaM', 'jnAnaM' and 'anantaM'. The question encountered, in case it is accepted that object is different from its attributes, is 'what is the exact nature of Brahman (which is different from the majestic qualities such as 'satyam','jnAnaM', 'anantaM')?.It can be easily seen that it is nothing but an empty abstraction,over which there are infinite royal attributes 'imposed'! Unless, these qualities,though inseparable from the Lord,form the core of Brahman,what purpose can they serve to the spiritual aspirant? Then too, one would be forced to think, should the empty abstract form be worshipped? Or the attributes? Also,what exactly binds these attributes together? Shouldn't that which binds these different attributes also be worshipped? Also, one gets to more abstract questions, 'Is this non-separability also an attribute of the Lord or not?' It can be easily seen that either option is not palatable to the Vishishtadvaitin. >>>>>> I request those who have done VedAntha kAlakshebams to clarify such a doubt /objection raised by Dvaitha sampradhAya followers. regards venakatarAghava dhAsan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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