Guest guest Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 At 08:40 PM 2/4/2004 +0000, Malolan Cadambi wrote: >Sri > >I recently read somewhere that a Sri Vaishnava acharya (?) opined >that the five states of perumAl (para, vyuha, archa, antaryamI etc) >can be compared to states of water (solid, liquid, gaseous etc). Swami Pillai Lokachariyar compared the five forms thus: Para = Water in clouds (or is this viraja nadi, I have to check) Vyuham = Thirupparkadal Antharyami roopam = water deep in the earth Vibhavam = floods in river long gone Archa = cool water holes readily and easily available -- adiyen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 SrI: " Dear Sri Malolan I believe it should be five forms of waters (and not Solid liquid or gas- as they are NOT forms of waters... :-) I may be wrong)... There are comparisons of waters like AvaraNa jalam, the fountai waters, the well waters, etc.. to the five forms.... AsmadhAchAryan His Holiness Srimath PaRavaakkOTTai Andavan swami had mentioned in one of tele upanyasams in 99... about the same and Sri SatakOpan mama (of New york) beautifully translated the same into English for everyone'e enjoyment: I have reproduced the same (collected from my archives): The superiority of ArchA rUpam among Sriman NarAyaNA's pancha rUpams ( param , VyUham , Vibhavam , antharyAmi and ArchA ). Parama padham , where the Lord is resident as Parama padha nAthan is surrounded by the aNDams and the aavaraNam waters (Oceans ) . It is not of easy access to us residing on earth . We can not travel there even to get a vessel filled with aavaranam waters .It is too far away . Hence param and parama padham can not be enjoyed with our sthUla sarIram . Only as a muktha Jivan possesing Sookshma sarIram , one can enter and enjoy the anthamil pErinbham there . The second rUpam of the Lord is as Sesha saayee in the middle of the milky ocean .Here He is presenting Himself as KshIrAbhdhi nAthan to DevAs and maharishis . Again , this is beyond our reach with SthUla sarIram . hence , it is not of much use either for us to see and enjoy . The Third rUpam of the Lord is what has been celebrated as Raama , KrishNAvathArams . These Vinhava avathArams were enjoyed by those who were contemproaries . Today , it is histroy and we can not enjoy Lord KrishNA as Gopis and AkrUrar did . Thus this rUpam is in the past like last year's river water , which is no longer available to quench our thirst ( dried up river bed ). The fourth rUpam is antharyAmi savrUpam . It is likened to OoRRu jalam . You have to dig in the river bed sand and access the water under . Through the difficult JNa~na Yogam , one can visualize this svarUpam of the Divya dampathis seated in our heart cavities . Very few have the power to succeed in such efforts and thus , this svarUpam is also not within reach of ordinary folks on this earth . The fifth rUpam is the One that Sriman NaarAyaNan took to make Himself easily available to one and all and to enjoy Him with our own sthUla sarIram and Maamsa chakshus . No divya dhrushti as needed by ArjunA is a must to see the VisvarUpam of the Lord . " angu vaitthu , inghE piRanthathu " is the celebration of this ArchAvathAram by Eedu grantham . Srimath Andavan went on to describe the five rUpams celebrated by Vedams in the manthram in the manner of tamizh maRai : ambhasya paarE bhuvanasya madhyE naakasya prushtE mahathO mahIyAn sukrENa jyOthIgumshi samanupravishta: PrajApathisccharathi garbhE antha : -- TaittirIya AaraNyakam : III.13.3 In ParAvathAram , the Lord is in Sri Vaikuntam as para VaasudEvan enjoying the Saama ghAnam . Therefore it is described as Paattu kEtkumidam . It is not accessible to us ; we can not hear this music with our Maamsa karnams . In VyUham , Lord rests on the serpent bed enjoying His yOga NidhrA .He is rudely awakned by all the terror stricken devAs , who seek His interventiion and complain about the terrors inflicted on them by the asurAs . He has to come to help after listeing to their fear-laden prayers ( muRaidal iDam ). This far off place is also inaccessible to us .We can not get there to appeal to Him to intervene and help us from our afflictions. Therefore Vyuha Moorthy is off limits for us. Vibahva avathArams are known as kuthittha iDam . Lord NarasimhA jumped out of the pillar and performed His avathAra Kaaryam and can no longer be seen in His original vibhava form . AntharyAmi svarUpam is known as OottumiDam . It is a svarUpam exclusively seen by those , who have succeeded in their Jn~ana Yoga saadhanais. It is again out of reach for us . ArchA SvarUpam is known as VaLaittha iDam . Here , the Lord ahs become very accessible to us and rests at Srirangam suggestign that He would not leave us until all of our Paapams are removed . He patiently waits for us to get SadAchArya Sambhandham and come to Him . AzhwArs and AchAryAs enjoyed the ArchA mUrthys at the various divya desams and stated unequivocally that it is their prefeered choice among the five prakAra rUpams of Sriman NaarAyaNan . It is interesting to note that para VaasudEvan gives us sEvai on the PraNava VimAnam at Srirangam , VyUha Moorthy is seen as Archai at Srirangam , Anbil , Thirukkudanthai et al , Vibhava Moorthys are present in the ArchA form at ThiruevuLL ( Sri Veera Raaghavan ), Dwarakai ( KrishNan ), AhObilam ( Narasimhan ) et al. AzhwArs and AchAryAl's assertion of their preference for the archA form of the Lord over all the other Four forms are abundant . Srimath Andavan quoted a few of them . I have added a few moreto illustrate his point : icchuvai taviRa yaan pOy Indira lokamALum achuvai peRinum vENDEn Arangamaa naharuLAnE -- ThirumAlai of ThindaradipoDi : 2nd Paasuram aNdavANanarangan , van pEy mulai uNDa vAyanRanunmatthan kANminE -- KulasEkharar : PerumAL Thirumozhi:3.4 sempavaLa vaayan ThiruvEnkatamennum EmperumAn Ponn malai mEl yEthEnum aavEnE --- Kulasekharar : PerumAL Thirumozhi : 4.10 AanDAi unaik KaaNpathOr aruLenaakaruLithiyEl vENDEn manai vAzhkhayai ViNNagar MEyavanE -- Thirumangai's Paasuram on ThiruviNNagarAn Manai means here Sri Vaikuntam . athraiva sukhamAsva -- Sri RanganAthA's instruction to AchArya RaamAnujA nirantharam nirvisatha : tvadhIyam asprushta chinthA padham aapirupyam satyam sapE Vaarana sailanAtha vaikunta vaasEpi na mEabhilAsha : --Swaami Desikan , Sri VaradharAja- PanchAsath: 49th slOkam Here Swami Desikan that he has no desire to reside in Sri Vaikuntam since he has the bhAgyam to enjoy the unparalleled beauty of Sri VaradarAjan right here in His archA form on top of Hasthigiri .He swears that he prefers Kaanchi Vaasam to have the Sevai of Lord VaradarAjA over residence in Sri VaikuntanAthan . That is the glory of ArchA rUpam for us as revealed by our AzhwArs and AchAryAs . Lord Ramachandra in His vibhavAvathAram performed AarAdhanam to Sri RanganAthA in ArchA form at AyOddhi . That is the highest form of tribute that one can come across regarding the celebration of ArchA rUpam as the most enjoyable by us on earth among all the five prAkarams of Sriman NaaraayaNan . AzhwAr AchAryan ThiruvadigaLE SaraNam Daasan , Oppiliappan Koil VaradAchAri SadagOpan , Malolan Cadambi <mcadambi> wrote: > Sri > > I recently read somewhere that a Sri Vaishnava acharya (?) opined > that the five states of perumAl (para, vyuha, archa, antaryamI etc) > can be compared to states of water (solid, liquid, gaseous etc). > > I would like more information in detailed about this. > > Thanks in advance, > > Regards, > > Malolan > > > > > > _________ > BT Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save £80 http://bt..co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Adiyen has heard this analogy before. Param - This is compared to the water in the Ocean. Though it is " everywhere " or " infinite " , you cannot drink it. Vyuham - Water in Clouds. This is not also in a easily realizable state. Vibhavam - Water that flows in the river. It is conditioned by time (for us). Its long gone. Antharyaami - Water that is present under the ground. You need to search for this. Archai - Water in a tank or pond. This is the one that is readily available for all of us. -- adiyen srikanth raghava ramanuja dasan. - " Parthasarati Dileepan " <dileepan Wednesday, February 04, 2004 5:09 PM Re: Perumal in five forms and water > At 08:40 PM 2/4/2004 +0000, Malolan Cadambi wrote: > > >Sri > > > >I recently read somewhere that a Sri Vaishnava acharya (?) opined > >that the five states of perumAl (para, vyuha, archa, antaryamI etc) > >can be compared to states of water (solid, liquid, gaseous etc). > > > Swami Pillai Lokachariyar compared the five forms thus: > > Para = Water in clouds (or is this viraja nadi, I have to check) > Vyuham = Thirupparkadal > Antharyami roopam = water deep in the earth > Vibhavam = floods in river long gone > Archa = cool water holes readily and easily available > > -- adiyen > > > > Srimate Sri Laksminrisimha Divya Paduka Sevaka > Srivan Satakopa Sri Narayana Yatindra Mahadesikaya Nama: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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