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, kannan anjurtupil <kn_anjurtupil

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DearSwamin,

Ia gree with your views as supported by large number of Vaishnavas in India lso.

 

Kannan

 

--- On Wed, 8/5/09, Nadadur Mathavan <nadadurmathavan wrote:

 

 

Nadadur Mathavan <nadadurmathavan

[RamanujaMission] FW: Re: MEETING OF MATURE

MINDS

" " ,

prabhandham

Cc: " Eyetex Rajagopal " <shrirr, " Srinivasan Rangaswamy " <r_sv

Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 1:55 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

ramanbil (AT) hotmail (DOT) com

CC: r_sv

shrirr (AT) gmail (DOT) com

Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:05:34 +0530

Re: MEETING OF MATURE MINDS

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Anbil Swamin,

 

Thanks for your prompt reply.

 

Let adiyen also reciprocate our own high regards for your knowledge,

stature; adiyen has read many of your articles - postings etc., and in this

context wonders why such a wise has come down to make such remarks!!

 

We have both stated and stand by our respective views! Adiyen has already stated

that the Pomona Utsavam is an affair that has to be appreciated & supported. SO

there is no need to attach some appreciative comments by Sevarthis in USA. We

also know about Venkat Kanumalla's devotion - adiyen has had the Bhagyam of

visiting the Pomona Sri Ranganathar Temple  & offering humble worship - We take

that as facts.

 

Having said that, {adiyen would like to be corrected here if the factual

position is wrong} may we submit that our reply ought to be posted on the Sri

Ranga Sri website in as much as your original postings found a place in that

site {obviously without any attempt by any moderator to moderate!!}.

 

Adiyen completely disagrees with your position about " moderation, debating forum

etc., " .

 

You may not do the Moderator's job - BUT - since the Moderator's have posted

your review in full, adiyen submits that our reply in that regard at least must

be posted in toto without any moderation.

 

The rest is upto to your good self & the Moderators of the site.

 

Warmest Regards

 

Daasan RR

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On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Ram Anbil <ramanbil (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

Dear Swamins

Hope you received my latest mail on the subject (copy sent to you separately).

 

It is not that alternate views are blacked out. When too many postings with

alternative viewpoints are received for moderation, publishing one would

necessitate publishing many others and publishing all of them would affect the

standard of the journal, making it a debating forum. So, it becomes necessary to

not approve any of them and take any disacussions in private mails.

 

You would have seen from my latest posting that numerous mails favouring the

article were also received and for the abovementioned  reason, these also have

not been approved for featuring in " Sri Ranga Sri " .

 

And, sometimes, many postings including my own do not show up in the Srirangasri

site and go into the " junk " box (which I do not see).

I have also complained about this to the Admn.

I do not remember to have seen the posting by Sri Srinivasan Swamin.

 

Also, as already announced, nowadays, I do not do moderation duties. They have

been delegated to co-moderators.

 

I have great regard for both of you and personally welcome your inputs in

private mails and am grateful for the same.

 

Daasoham

Anbil Ramaswamy

 

 

 

 

Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:31:01 +0530

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ramanbil (AT) hotmail (DOT) com; r_sv

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Anbil Swamin,

 

Adiyen requests that this reply {to your brilliant mail condemning the

Utsavams conducted in Divya Desams} be posted in Sri Ranga Sri site.

 

Sriman R Srinivasan states that he is unable to get his replies posted on your

site. You have presented your views on the manner in which the Divya Desams

conduct their affairs.

 

It is fair that the coin's other side be seen by your site members - unless of

course you do not wish to receive any critical views bur are only interested to

criticise others.

 

Warmest Regards.

 

Daasan RR

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Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:04 PM

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Srinivasan Rangaswamy <r_sv, andavan@ .com

 

 

 

Dear Sevarthis,

 

POMONA TEMPLE UTSAVAM's

 

Sri RS has forwarded the mail of Sri Anbil Ramaswami {AR in short}.

 

AR can rightly praise the activities at Pomona Sri Ranganathar Temple and Sri

Venkat Kanumalla and the Bhagavatha Goshti therein for their Efforts, Devotion &

Commitment to Sriman Narayana. To conduct a 3-4 day Utsavam in a far off land is

really a very good affair.

 

Even allowing for some exaggeration, we will take this as a truthful portrayal.

 

BUT, his comments about the Utsavams, Bhagavatha Goshtis in India etc., are

absolutely irresponsible, factually wrong, immature & malicious to say the least

and are totally unacceptable.

 

Perhaps a title " Meeting of an immature mind with a Bhagavatha Goshti "  would be

more appropriate. His mail expressing some kind of regrets is even more

pathetic.

 

It has been adiyen's Bhagyam to personally experience some Divine Instances of

Utsavams in Divya Desams & Abhimana Stalams in India that AR has condemned

outright - just a few of these are listed for the benefit of

Sevarthis:Adhyayana Utsavam at Srirangam Peria Koil:

 

 

Araiyar Seva: If Sriman Narayana Himself came down from KsheerAbdi and recited

those Pasurams, He cannot do this any better than the Araiyar Goshti during

those 10 days.

It is a Divine Bhagyam that cannot be conveyed by mere words. All

SriVaishnavaites - Tenkalai OR Vadakalai - must be Blessed by Sriman Narayana

to have this Seva at least once in their lifetime/s.

These Divya Prabandhams are recited - from MEMORY {no reading out from dubbed or

translated texts!} to a particular TUNE that is unique.

Even daily Parayanams by the Tenkalai Adhyapaka Goshti is a labour of love - who

is paying these Bhagavathas what salary? Even outstation Parayanadhars will

apply for leave {LLP if need be} and run to Srirangam for participating in those

Utsavams,Koil Thirumalai

 

 

Utsavams or otherwise - the Divya Prabandha Parayanams on a daily basis by the

Pedda Jeeyangar Swami { & followed by the Chinna Jeeyangar Swami} at the Sri

BAashyakarar Sannadhi immediately after the Jeeyar Sathumarai is another Divine

Experience that cannot & should NOT missed out for all the wealth in the world.

Apart from a most minor salary, this Adhyapaga Goshti maintains their families -

on the Sambavanai from the Sevarthis - speaking of salaries, does AR have any

idea of the " salaries " paid to Temple Staff such as Aradhakars, Madappalli

Kainkaryaparars?

Only in the recent past, the Prakritham Pedda Jeeyangar has raised funds and

started paying these great Bhagavathas some kind of stipends -

The Veda Parayana Goshti's recital during the Utsavams is another disciplined &

delightful acitivity - go to Thirumala on the Ratha Sapthami &  experience this

for your self!Perumal Koil - Devarajan Sannathi

 

 

RS has already dealt with the Utsavams - so no repetition,

BUT the Veda Parayana Goshti in Kanchipuram is unique.

That Goshti is a permanent fixture for Devaraja Perumal.

Morning & evening - without any break - Veda Parayanam goes on Utsavam or NO

Utsavam all the 365 days,

There will be a break only if someone in Sannadhi Street  attains Acharyan

Thiruvadi & the Temple has to close down till the body leaves!!

Labour of Love is a terrible understatem ent here,

HR & CE never paid them {or pays them} any salary or sambavanai.

The grandson of Vaikuntavaasi Sudarsana Iyengar & Sri Azhisoor Suresh - have

organised some donations and has organised some Sambavanai to these Mahaans.

If you call any of them during any Utsavam Days, they will decline - " Their

Perumal's Utsavam is going on - they will NOT move out of Kanchi " is the stock

answer.Sri Parthasarathy - Thiru Alli Keni

 

 

Look beyond the Kalai Disputes and see the magnificence & grandeur of the

Prabandha Parayana Goshti in this Divya Desam,

Nammazhwar & Nathamunigal will be proud & will Bless these fantastic

performances year after year - over 100,000 sevarthis experience this during

every Adhyayana Utsavam every year.

Who is paying these Bhagavathas any salary?

Can we not experience a divine acitvity without picking holes or criticising as

if we are a divinely appointed authority?General

 

 

Adiyen has quoted just a few examples - can quote another 20 examples from

personal experience,

VEDA Parayanams originated from here - in spite of the tremendous fall, we still

have a fair number of Vedapatasalas springing up -

HH Srimad Andavan has started 10 Patasalas with nearly 280 Vidyarthis,

Even these Vidyarthis participa te regularly in many Utsavams,

Prabandhams originated from here - Azhwar Tirunagari, Kattu Mannar Koil are the

HUB's!

In 99.9% cases, Vedas & Prabandhams are recited from MEMORY - NOT read out

from Xeroxed & Dubbed sheets,

Adiyen will NOT criticise any community - has submitted enough articles in The

Paduka to revive the Vedic Education.

The Bramotsavams conducted abroad in Pomona and/or other temples are to be

appreciated and supported.

But they cannot claim to be equal to or be better than the Utsavam in any

Temple anywhere in India - these are the originals - may not be perfect but,

This Sannithyam can never be replicated let alone be bettered - the wealth or

standing of a sevarthi is no indication of an Utsavam's sacred nature.

Adiyen is willing to engage in a discussion on this with anyone in person - not

with eAcharyas on the internet.

We have a fair idea of how many Sevarthis participate in such Utsavam, how many

Paryanadhars recite Vedas & Prabandhams as it should be.

In our excitement, we should not go overboard and claim that 1000's participated

or did this or that!!

Let us assume - without conceding - that the Pomona Utsavam was conducted in a

grand and satisfactory manner - what useful purpose is served by those all the

condemnatory statements about the Utsavams in India?

Let AR & others ponder carefully before shooting off such " brilliant " comments!

Warmest Regards & Respects

 

Daasan RR

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On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Srinivasan Rangaswamy <r_sv wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri RR,

                      This is the background of the earlier

mails.I posted my comments to the also, but it did not

go through the moderator. Now, you may be able to link the messages with the

last reply from Sri Anbil Swamy

Daasan,

RS

 

 

 

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Srinivasan Rangaswamy <r_sv

raghavan veera <raghavanvee@ gmail.com>; Anbil Ramaswamy <@

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Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:03:05 AM

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Dear All,

               I think that I have posted at the right time

Kanchipuram Sri Deva Perumal Sannathi Sri Andal Thirukkalyana Mahothsavam in you

tube link, http://www.youtube. com/rsrinivasan1. Anyone who watch the movie

clips posted therein, will have all the answers,which our respected Anbil Swamy

has raised. Only those who had the opportunity to witness  Kanchipuram Deva

Perumal Uthsavams personally,will  find no need to look for anything else. All

those you see in the movie clips are purely volunteers on their own , for no

personal gains, coming from different places,many do not have  any ambition

except to the service of Sri Deva Perumal . Even if this situation prevails

may be only in this temple as cmpared to other temples, it is our Bhagyam to

see Ubhaya Kalai devotees compete with one another to get the blessings of Sri

Devaadhi Rajan, for no monetary benefits. In the same you tube link, you can see

the Sri Deva Perumal

Brahmothsavam video links also.

             In the end, what I would like to say is that 

festivals at each place has their own imporatance. We all have to respect them.

Festival is a festival, inspite of some draw backs.Please  remember all good

things only and for any thing untoward happening, please take corrective

actions, to the best of our ability.,   

 

 

 

 

 

raghavan veera <raghavanvee@ gmail.com>

Srinivasan Rangaswamy <r_sv; raghunathan r <rraghunathan_ in (AT) (DOT)

com>; sampathkumarr7@ gmail.com; S. GOVINDRAJAN <sgovindrajan@ hotmail.com>;

narasimhan padmanaban <npn72000 (AT) (DOT) co.in>; SRI PRAHALADA VARADAN SRIPAADAM

THANGIGAL SABHA . <spvstsabha >; Ramanujan Patrachari <srisaila (AT) gmail (DOT)

com>; srinivasan sowmianarayanan <vasans2004 >; thiruthiru

<rajamragu (AT) gmail (DOT) com>; ssaajagan ; narasimhannd@ gmail.com

Thursday, July 30, 2009 8:01:50 AM

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Dear all, It is very surprising that a learned person like Sri.Anbil Ramaswamy

shoud pour out on the calibre of Adhyaapaka Goshti in India as also Sripadam

Thangigal contributions. I do not post any messages in SriRangasri. If any of

you feel what has appeared is not the truth,please react and post a message in

this group,if you are a member.Otherwise pease ignore this message.Regards,

Veeraraghavan

 

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Ram Anbil <Ramanbil (AT) grouply (DOT) com>

Jul 29, 2009 3:33 PM

MEETING OF MATURE MINDS

Journal SDDS <>, srtsevak <srtsevak@

s.com>, venkat kanumalla <sridhardikshit@ >

 

 

 

 

 

 

MEETING OF MATURE MINDS

 

Do you wish to be a part of a “meeting of mature minds�

Come to Sri Ranganatha temple at Pomona, New York during any of the several

celebrations being conducted there like the just concluded 3rd BrahmOtsavam,

2009. 

 

What is so special and different about Pomona celebrations that you do not

experience elsewhere?

If you read the following, I am sure that you will agree with me.

 

 

 

In several Divya decamps back in India, it is usually a motley crowd of floating

population with diverse stages of knowledge and interest - some not even knowing

what is going on! Here in Pomona, you will find hundreds of devotees from coast

to coast and even from abroad having absolute understanding of the protocols and

with exclusive devotion to the Lord.

 

 

In several Diva desams back in India, you will find that the so called

“kainkarya paras†called hereditary “Srimaan ThaangigaL†are just

“wage earners†- employees†who “work for food†(udara nimittam) Here

in Pomona, the volunteers eagerly look forward and compete in offering their

services for FREE. They are not professional “Srimaan ThaangigaL†but hold

high positions in the corporate world but have come with a genuine interest to

serve the Lord.

 

 

In several Divya desams back in India, you will find that members of

“Adhyaapaka GOshTis†reciting Veda mantras and Divya Prabandams so

mechanically (like the cawing of a murder of crows or croaking of an army, knot

or colony of frogs) without understanding what they are reciting! Their concern

is on completing the quota of recitals within a time frame. Here in Pomona when

these amateur volunteers holding high positions in life recite in resonance,

there is life in it. You feel as if you are in the midst of Nityasooris in Sri

VaikunTam praising the lord heartily because they recite with an understanding

of the meanings of StOtrams and Paasurams they recite.

 

 

The thorough manner of the rites and rituals were organized by

“Paramaikanti Sarvabhouman†Sri Venkat Kanumalla Swami and his dedicated

band of Trustees like Sri Srinivas Tanikalla Swami, Sri Murthy Ayyala Swami and

scores of volunteers was really for “Gods to seeâ€! Due to the diligence and

dedication of the volunteers every detail was meticulously attended to without

skipping any essentials.

Anyone who was someone worthy of being mentioned as “Bhaagavata†was present

at the premises coming as they did from far flung areas between the East coast

and the West coast. This was a telling attestation of the SlOkam in Srimad

Bhagavatam 10.48.31 which says that bath in sacred waters and even worshipping

Archa moorthis in temples can purify one’s soul only in due course but the

very sight of the congregation of Saadhus can do the same almost instantly.Na hi

ammayaani therthaani na devaa: mrith silaa mayaa: /

 tE punanti uru-kaalEna Darsanaad Eva Saadhava: //

 

 

I may mention in this regard that my connections with this temple are special

for the following reasons - 

-         Firstly, it was at the feet of Prakritam 45th PaTTam Azhagiya

Singhar (in His Poorvaasramam) that I had the Bhaagyam of learning through

Closed-circuit KaalakshEpams of Grantha ChatushTayams that any VaishNava ought

to learn in one’s lifetime.

-         Secondly, it was my own nephew, Late Sri Ranganathan

Kuppuswami who dreamed of raising a temple for Sri Ranganatha in the USA (as per

the wishes of H.H. 44th PaTTam Mukkur Azhagiya Singhar). He was also

instrumental in providing necessary motivation in the first place.

7.  PRIEST SERVICES

The devotion and dedication with which the priests conducted the various Homams

like Vaasudeva Homam, Sri Lakshmi Nrisimha Homam, Srimad Ramayana Homam,

Mahalakshmi Homam, Maha-Sudarsana Homam, Kalyana Utsavams. Pushpa Yaagam etc

with meticulous attention to every detail were indeed breathtaking. The

Alankarams (costumes) for the Lord for Purappadus (Circumambulation) both in the

morning and the evening were matchless.

 

The services of Sri Paravastu Srinivasa Raghavan Swami from Andhra, Sri Naryana

Bhattar Swamin from Karnataka and Sri Rajagopalan Swami from Tamilnadu were

particularly noteworthy.

8. MASTERS OF CEREMONIES

It is discipline that differentiates an orderly brigade from a motley crowd.

Even the Lord is assisted by Sri Vishwak sEnar in organizing his devotees. We

had a couple of such “Masters of ceremonies†in Sri A.M.R. Kannan, Sri Arun

Krishnamachari and their group of friends who spared no efforts to regulate the

proceedings with razor sharp precision at every stage.

 

 

MUSIC GALOREThe Nadaswaram party consisting of two grandsons of the famous Sheik

Chinna Moulana Saheb of Srirangam (Mr. Kasim and Mr. Babu) on the pipe and two

on percussion (Thavil) was ever ready with their enchanting music. The Tavil

Vidwans who performed in sync with the modulations of recitation of the mantras

set to music by Sri Paravastu Srinivasa Raghavan Swami is absolutely

unforgettable.

 

10. SRIMAN THAANGIGAL

When the Lord danced our hearts danced in unison and some were tempted to dance

physically too! Such an enthralling experience it was!

 

11. NADAI, UDAI, VADAIIt used to be said that the gait (naDai) of Sri Ranganatha

(in Srirangam), costume (UDai) of Kanchi Varadaraja and the edible cake (Vadai)

of Tirumalai TiruvenkatamuDaiyaa n are proverbially famous. In Pomona

BrahmOTsavam there was a combination of the best of all the three!

 

12. FOODFood was aplenty and always available on all the days FOR FREE to all

those who attended the Utsavam. “Even an army marches on its stomachâ€

 

The never ending stream of visitors was fed with a variety of items to heart’s

content. The food was as filling in the belly as the Darshan of the Lord in

various Sannidhis was filling to the heart. The “Anna Daanam†was a 24/7

affair. At no point of time that anyone had to go without food!

 

The credit for the preparation of such delicious fare goes to Sri Muralikrishnan

Swami, who toiled day and night untiringly and with a smiling countenance at all

times.

 

13. ENTERTAINMENTS GALOREThere were a number of entertainments in music and

dance which kept the audience spell bound in the afternoons. The notable ones

were the music by the Bombay sisters and the Kuchipudi dance by Kuchipudi Arts

Academy besides other dance dramas by amateur artists.

 

14. VAAHANAMS (MOUNTS)The most essential requirement of BrahmOTsavam is the

provision of Vaahanams (mounts) on which the Lord goes about giving Darshan even

to those who could not or would not come to the temple.

 

Besides GaruDa Vaahanam, the new additions were Hanumanta Vaahanam, SEsha

Vaahanam and Kalpaka Vriksham.  I request all devotees to donate liberally for

acquiring other Vaahanams (Mounts) for the temple like Aswa (Horse), Gaja

(Elephant), Simha (Lion) Surya Prabha (The Sun dial), Chandra Prabha (The Arc of

the Moon), Hamsa ( Swan) and YaaLi (a hybrid of lion and elephant- a

mythological creature)

15. RATHOTSAVAM

The highlight of this year’s BrahmOtsavam was the grand and colorful

RathOtsavam †" a Chariot specially constructed at great expense and greater

effort. The car was pulled by hundreds of volunteers to the delight of the

thousands of spectators.

 

Daasoham

Anbil Ramaswamy

 

 

 

 

 

 

           

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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