Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Hi-- I'm wondering if anyone can tell about their personal experiences in developing a relationship with a guru. TIA -ejt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Aloha Erin... You might want to read " Do You Need a Guru? " by Marianna Caplan. Some good insights to help you make decisions. BTW, her guru I like a lot. Leslie Kundaliniyoga , " erin thomas " <erinjean> wrote: > > Hi-- > > I'm wondering if anyone can tell about their personal experiences in > developing a relationship with a guru. > > TIA > > -ejt > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Thanks for the suggestion. I'll look into it. I'm not so much asking for myself, rather I'd like to hear about personal experiences that anyone may have had. The term gets bandied about quite frequently, but with little or no description as to the ways in which this particular student/teacher relationship forms. Understandably, there may be no rigid structure to it, so I thought some personal thoughts and such might help me fill in some holes in my understanding. Thanks -Erin On 09 Mar 2007 11:57:27 -0800, lilioneth <leslie wrote: > > Aloha Erin... > > You might want to read " Do You Need a Guru? " by Marianna Caplan. Some > good insights to help you make decisions. BTW, her guru I like a lot. > > Leslie > > Kundaliniyoga <Kundaliniyoga%40>, > " erin thomas " > > <erinjean> wrote: > > > > Hi-- > > > > I'm wondering if anyone can tell about their personal experiences in > > developing a relationship with a guru. > > > > TIA > > > > -ejt > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 Erin: The relationship between a student and a guru varies with the guru him or herself. In the kundalini Yoga tradition, Yogi Bhajan requested there be no guru/student relationship. He wanted to create teachers and so he did. He saw himself as a messenger who gave you your message but had no attachment what you chose to do with it (them). With Yogi Bhajan there are no initiation, no guru/student relationship, no strings attached. You become your own master. If you are talking about establishing a relationship with the Sikh gurus then empty yourself, meditate, read about their lives, let yourself be inspired by the guru (name given to the Sikh scriptures). Tune in to them and wait to feel you are in their presence. Blessings, Awtar Singh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 Sat nam! Thank you for these suggestions. I think you have distilled my inquiry well. It's emptiness that I'm looking for. I'm noticing that I'm living very much in my head in terms spiritual searching. It's seems one of the reasons the student/teacher relationship exists is to help the student remain focused on emptiness rather than the intellectualized tendency of self-directed learning. At least that's what I find myself doing. I say wow--this is Truth. I say this in my Self, yes. But also in my head. And then I come to this kind of stalemate in my Self. Something...stops connecting. What meditation would Yogi Bhajan suggest to cultivate emptiness of intellect? Gratefully, -Erin On 3/9/07, yogahs <kundalini_yoga wrote: > > Erin: > > The relationship between a student and a guru varies with the guru him > or herself. In the kundalini Yoga tradition, Yogi Bhajan requested > there be no guru/student relationship. He wanted to create teachers > and so he did. He saw himself as a messenger who gave you your message > but had no attachment what you chose to do with it (them). > > With Yogi Bhajan there are no initiation, no guru/student > relationship, no strings attached. You become your own master. > > If you are talking about establishing a relationship with the Sikh > gurus then empty yourself, meditate, read about their lives, let > yourself be inspired by the guru (name given to the Sikh scriptures). > Tune in to them and wait to feel you are in their presence. > > Blessings, Awtar Singh > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 Erin: So you are looking for emptiness! Great! Welcome! I don't know what Yogi Bhajan would have suggested to you. So if you don't mind I'll just make my own suggestions: 1) Whenever you want (something), whenever you want, notice and feel the void left by accepting not to have that want satisfied. 2) When you sit down for yoga or meditation or before going to sleep, or whenever you choose to really, feel your state of being and let everything else go. One of my students calls this " downloading " . It is an experience as if " stuff " that you are holding on to no longer needs to be held on to and is just being released energetically. 3) When you feel lonely, instead of fighting it, accept it, and learn to feel comfortable with being alone. Accept the empty feelings along the way. 4) Any meditation can be used with this. It is about stopping the questioning, stopping the past habits, stopping the voice that says: " I know " or " I want " , but without actually stopping all of this by will. It is about allowing all of this to stop because there is a void (an emptiness) that wants to be felt and you need all your attention to sense it, everything else is distraction... 5) That emptiness is the " space " (I am using the word " space " because you make space for it, although it feels like a presence, love itself) that is always there, that you connect to when you tune in to your intuition, to communicate with your guidance, Yogi Bhajan, Guru ram Das, etc... That's a good beginning. Let us know what other exercises you come up with that work for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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