help with overcoming negative thoughts

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I have a question, I'm not very good at explaining my questions concisely so I

apologize beforehand for that. I guess my basic question is, how to get rid of

a tendency to have negative thoughts? It seems that there's always something

negative trying to occupy my mind and attention. It may happen that a real

problem is bothering me sometimes, but I notice that even if it is a real,

worrisome problem (illness in the family, for instance), once the problem is

solved my mind immediately goes on trying to find the next negative thing to

focus on. And if there's nothing important to bother me, then it will be the

most silly things that will do it. It may be the noise outside my apartment, or

the idea of my mother-in-law coming to visit. I'd like to stress that most of

the time the cause of these thoughts it's not even something real or justified!

For instance, my mother-in-law has her little annoying quirks but she's overall

a very good and nice person who treats me very

well. Not only that, but ff she may come visit, it will be for a handful of

days a year. It's such a minor thing, there's no reason to have a constant

negative worry about it. So I see it's not the problems outside of me that are

causing these negative thoughts, but something within me. IT's a sort of

tendency, very bothersome tendency, or habit. I've been trying meditation,

mantras, and it all helps. But I wonder if kundalini would offer something

specific that I could do as well.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts and suggestions.

Betin

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Betin,

 

You have explained yourself quite perfectly and I went through a

similar period about six months ago. It was is if my mind was working

very very diligently to find the next morsel of worry to sink its teeth

into. Just as you explained, when that issue was resolved off it went

in search of the next. This is not my normal state of being and it was

agonizing for me. What helped was not to fight my mind, to continue my

sadhana and meditation, sometimes in tears, and to be aware of my

mind's wandering. I did some journaling stream of consciousness

journaling which always helps me identify the truth of a situation.

And even that doesn't happen immediately. Sometimes it is not what I

have written, but that my mind needs to slow down and focus in order

for the words to translate to writing. It is, for me, the process in

my mind when I write, not the words on the paper that helps. It

passed. When the tendency comes up now, I remember that it passed and

am no longer attached to the worriness in my mind.

 

Not very specific, sorry!

 

Sat Nam,

 

Guru Gopal Kaur

 

On Monday, June 11, 2007, at 05:38 PM, B E wrote:

 

> Hi all,

> I have a question, I'm not very good at explaining my questions

> concisely so I apologize beforehand for that. I guess my basic

> question is, how to get rid of a tendency to have negative thoughts?

> It seems that there's always something negative trying to occupy my

> mind and attention. It may happen that a real problem is bothering me

> sometimes, but I notice that even if it is a real, worrisome problem

> (illness in the family, for instance), once the problem is solved my

> mind immediately goes on trying to find the next negative thing to

> focus on. And if there's nothing important to bother me, then it will

> be the most silly things that will do it. It may be the noise outside

> my apartment, or the idea of my mother-in-law coming to visit. I'd

> like to stress that most of the time the cause of these thoughts it's

> not even something real or justified! For instance, my mother-in-law

> has her little annoying quirks but she's overall a very good and nice

> person who treats me very

> well. Not only that, but ff she may come visit, it will be for a

> handful of days a year. It's such a minor thing, there's no reason to

> have a constant negative worry about it. So I see it's not the

> problems outside of me that are causing these negative thoughts, but

> something within me. IT's a sort of tendency, very bothersome

> tendency, or habit. I've been trying meditation, mantras, and it all

> helps. But I wonder if kundalini would offer something specific that I

> could do as well.

> Thanks in advance for any thoughts and suggestions.

> Betin

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Try to perform one good deed a day,start your day with a smile and ask

god to help, be thankful for everthing you have in life and also

important is having good friends who think and act positively. I can

understand that this is a bit difficult but not impossible. Only look at

everybody's good qualities and believe me you will enjoy the change in

your behaviour.ONE GOOD DEED A DAY, 365 GOOD DEEDS A YEAR. Be happy

always.

Kundaliniyoga , B E <jawoosux wrote:

>

> Hi all,

> I have a question, I'm not very good at explaining my questions

concisely so I apologize beforehand for that. I guess my basic question

is, how to get rid of a tendency to have negative thoughts? It seems

that there's always something negative trying to occupy my mind and

attention. It may happen that a real problem is bothering me sometimes,

but I notice that even if it is a real, worrisome problem (illness in

the family, for instance), once the problem is solved my mind

immediately goes on trying to find the next negative thing to focus on.

And if there's nothing important to bother me, then it will be the most

silly things that will do it. It may be the noise outside my apartment,

or the idea of my mother-in-law coming to visit. I'd like to stress that

most of the time the cause of these thoughts it's not even something

real or justified! For instance, my mother-in-law has her little

annoying quirks but she's overall a very good and nice person who treats

me very

> well. Not only that, but ff she may come visit, it will be for a

handful of days a year. It's such a minor thing, there's no reason to

have a constant negative worry about it. So I see it's not the problems

outside of me that are causing these negative thoughts, but something

within me. IT's a sort of tendency, very bothersome tendency, or habit.

I've been trying meditation, mantras, and it all helps. But I wonder if

kundalini would offer something specific that I could do as well.

> Thanks in advance for any thoughts and suggestions.

> Betin

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Sat Nam,

 

Our negative mind does have a purpose and that is to inform us of possible

problems and protect us from negative outcomes It sometimes gets trapped in

scenarios that seem to be less than useful. However, it may just we trying to

tell us something. So listen to the thoughts and try to hear the message

underneath. Is there a NEED that is not being met? A need for attention, for

recognition, for acknowledgment, for love, for relaxation, for action? If you

listen attentively, hear the message, and take appropriate action if required,

it may just stop annoying you.

 

Trying not to listen, judging, and superimposing other thoughts to cover up or

deny the mind, usually don't work. Try acceptance, allowing and listening,

which are forms of love -- self love!

 

Let us know if this works.

 

Sat Nam,

 

Guru Rattana

 

 

[Guest guest]

Sat Nam Betin,

Generally speaking, one wants to solve the problems of the Body and

*then* solve the problems of the Mind. Until we do this we are

operating from a dense, contracted and acidic place, and it's too easy

to react and not be in our depth. Performing an effective Kriya or

Yoga set and layout will open your breath and meridians, and alkalize

your system. At this point we can be our own analyst and through

honest self assessment, chart our way out of self-defeating patterns

of thought and behaviour. It's not easy or simple but this is where

your power is and it is very rewarding.

 

My first teacher ('77, Rolling Tnunder) said to me " you can control

your feelings by controlling your thoughts " . The trick here is

understanding which thoughts to " control " and where to exert some

will. To wrestle with the " negative thought " is to miss the target as

they are just like ripples on the surface (see other responses to your

question). There is a much deeper emotion (ego motion) going on here.

 

As far as a practice, and what works for me, I like the " Exercise Set

for Lungs and Bloodstream " on page 82 of " Transitions to a

Heart-Centered World " (

go/start.cgi/store/shop.html?showprod=P01001 )

It balances the Negative, Postive and Neutral Minds and aligns the

energy and muscles of the Heart.

I then do the " Last Meditation " (page 138 from the same book by

Gururattan Kaur) to think, act and see right. It blesses the entire

psyche and through it, my entire universe. Chant Wahe Guru like you

mean it! It is a mantra of bliss, gratitude, and fulfillment.

 

Blessings,

Dharam Singh

Millis, MA

 

 

 

Kundaliniyoga , B E <jawoosux wrote:

>

> Hi all,

> I have a question, I'm not very good at explaining my questions

concisely so I apologize beforehand for that. I guess my basic

question is, how to get rid of a tendency to have negative thoughts?

[Guest guest]

I found this posting very interesting, thanks Dharam Singh for replying, I

actually learn something from your reply.

 

I am a beginner into the yoga world, looking forward in learning all the

benefits yoga has to offer.

 

Neida ~

 

 

 

Dharam Singh <pran.108 wrote: Sat

Nam Betin,

Generally speaking, one wants to solve the problems of the Body and

*then* solve the problems of the Mind. Until we do this we are

operating from a dense, contracted and acidic place, and it's too easy

to react and not be in our depth. Performing an effective Kriya or

Yoga set and layout will open your breath and meridians, and alkalize

your system. At this point we can be our own analyst and through

honest self assessment, chart our way out of self-defeating patterns

of thought and behaviour. It's not easy or simple but this is where

your power is and it is very rewarding.

 

My first teacher ('77, Rolling Tnunder) said to me " you can control

your feelings by controlling your thoughts " . The trick here is

understanding which thoughts to " control " and where to exert some

will. To wrestle with the " negative thought " is to miss the target as

they are just like ripples on the surface (see other responses to your

question). There is a much deeper emotion (ego motion) going on here.

 

As far as a practice, and what works for me, I like the " Exercise Set

for Lungs and Bloodstream " on page 82 of " Transitions to a

Heart-Centered World " (

go/start.cgi/store/shop.html?showprod=P01001 )

It balances the Negative, Postive and Neutral Minds and aligns the

energy and muscles of the Heart.

I then do the " Last Meditation " (page 138 from the same book by

Gururattan Kaur) to think, act and see right. It blesses the entire

psyche and through it, my entire universe. Chant Wahe Guru like you

mean it! It is a mantra of bliss, gratitude, and fulfillment.

 

Blessings,

Dharam Singh

Millis, MA

 

Kundaliniyoga , B E <jawoosux wrote:

>

> Hi all,

> I have a question, I'm not very good at explaining my questions

concisely so I apologize beforehand for that. I guess my basic

question is, how to get rid of a tendency to have negative thoughts?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

HI Guru Rattana,

Thanks for writing, what you wrote is very interesting. I am not very sure I

understand correctly, but I get the general idea. I mean, I can't think of a

specific need right now but it does make sense that there is something else

underneath which is the real cause of these thoughts. Also I wonder if I should

try to understand this need specifically or in general? I mean, should I look

specifically for what may be lacking in my relationship with my mother-in-law

(to use my previous example, for instance), or maybe it's a more general need in

my life? Well maybe just being quiet and trying to listen for the message behind

my thoughts, as you wrote, will answer this also!

Again, thanks and best wishes,

Betin

 

 

Guru Rattana <gururattan wrote: Sat Nam,

 

Our negative mind does have a purpose and that is to inform us of possible

problems and protect us from negative outcomes It sometimes gets trapped in

scenarios that seem to be less than useful. However, it may just we trying to

tell us something. So listen to the thoughts and try to hear the message

underneath. Is there a NEED that is not being met? A need for attention, for

recognition, for acknowledgment, for love, for relaxation, for action? If you

listen attentively, hear the message, and take appropriate action if required,

it may just stop annoying you.

 

Trying not to listen, judging, and superimposing other thoughts to cover up or

deny the mind, usually don't work. Try acceptance, allowing and listening,

which are forms of love -- self love!

 

Let us know if this works.

 

Sat Nam,

 

Guru Rattana

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Betin,

 

Yes just be quiet and listen. You will may get general or specific information

about your needs. The important thing is to listen and honor what you hear, not

judge your inner voice. Your inner voice will only develop into a useful

trustworthy tool if you get to know it.

 

Sat Nam,

 

Guru Rattana

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Guru Gopal Kaur,

Thank you so much for your answer. Sometimes I do think that if I have patience

and only continue practicing things will get better eventually. And it's

encouraging for my practice to know that in your experience things did get

better. I also do feel that writing helps, and again it was good to see this

feeling confirmed by your experience.

Best wishes!

Betin

 

joan richards <joancarol wrote: Betin,

 

You have explained yourself quite perfectly and I went through a

similar period about six months ago. It was is if my mind was working

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

Thanks for your answer, yes it's hard but as you say not impossible and I will

try it.

Best wishes,

Betin

 

saffronexotic <saffronexotic wrote: Try to perform one good deed a

day,start your day with a smile and ask

god to help, be thankful for everthing you have in life and also

important is having good friends who think and act positively. I can

understand that this is a bit difficult but not impossible. Only look at

everybody's good qualities and believe me you will enjoy the change in

your behaviour.ONE GOOD DEED A DAY, 365 GOOD DEEDS A YEAR. Be happy

always.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Dharam,

Thanks so much for your message. It's great to know there's a specific practice

that you find helpful to deal with this issue and that I can add to my routine.

It took me a while to answer your message because I was trying to understand

better the part you wrote about controlling the thoughts. I don't think I can

really understand it. I mean, I don't understand what do I do to distinguish

between what thoughts I should try to control and those I shouldn't. Unless you

mean that by a regular practice I will get there (being able to make this

distinction) naturally at some point?

Finally, thank you for your advise about chanting " wahe guru " like I mean it!

I've been doing it and it works. What I've been doing is, if an annoying

thought comes along, I just chant and in the least it will put the thought in

the background. And sometimes it will even totally go away. And I always get a

very peaceful feeling.

Best wishes,

Betin

 

Dharam Singh <pran.108 wrote: Sat Nam Betin,

Generally speaking, one wants to solve the problems of the Body and

*then* solve the problems of the Mind. Until we do this we are

operating from a dense, contracted and acidic place, and it's too easy

to react and not be in our depth. Performing an effective Kriya or

Yoga set and layout will open your breath and meridians, and alkalize

your system. At this point we can be our own analyst and through

honest self assessment, chart our way out of self-defeating patterns

of thought and behaviour. It's not easy or simple but this is where

your power is and it is very rewarding.

 

My first teacher ('77, Rolling Tnunder) said to me " you can control

your feelings by controlling your thoughts " . The trick here is

understanding which thoughts to " control " and where to exert some

will. To wrestle with the " negative thought " is to miss the target as

they are just like ripples on the surface (see other responses to your

question). There is a much deeper emotion (ego motion) going on here.

 

As far as a practice, and what works for me, I like the " Exercise Set

for Lungs and Bloodstream " on page 82 of " Transitions to a

Heart-Centered World " (

go/start.cgi/store/shop.html?showprod=P01001 )

It balances the Negative, Postive and Neutral Minds and aligns the

energy and muscles of the Heart.

I then do the " Last Meditation " (page 138 from the same book by

Gururattan Kaur) to think, act and see right. It blesses the entire

psyche and through it, my entire universe. Chant Wahe Guru like you

mean it! It is a mantra of bliss, gratitude, and fulfillment.

 

Blessings,

Dharam Singh

Millis, MA

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

To the writer of the question on overcoming negative thoughts,

thanks for asking! It never occured to me to ask that question, and

I feel the same way. To all those who responded, thanks, I found

all of your responses helpful and insightful.

 

Kundaliniyoga , " Guru Rattana "

<gururattan wrote:

>

> Sat Nam,

>

> Our negative mind does have a purpose and that is to inform us of

possible problems and protect us from negative outcomes It

sometimes gets trapped in scenarios that seem to be less than

useful. However, it may just we trying to tell us something. So

listen to the thoughts and try to hear the message underneath. Is

there a NEED that is not being met? A need for attention, for

recognition, for acknowledgment, for love, for relaxation, for

action? If you listen attentively, hear the message, and take

appropriate action if required, it may just stop annoying you.

>

> Trying not to listen, judging, and superimposing other thoughts to

cover up or deny the mind, usually don't work. Try acceptance,

allowing and listening, which are forms of love -- self love!

>

> Let us know if this works.

>

> Sat Nam,

>

> Guru Rattana

>

>