Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 Dear Guru Rattana and Group members. Sat Nam! I am happy to have read your response about the " pain " of separation. I am doing the work of identity and lower chakra triangle development in order to stand on my own. The " neediness " of another is being replaced (oh so painfully slowly) with this new awareness of and connection to my soul. The Kundalini sets for the hips and nabhi kriya help tremendously as does the meditations provided by Guru Dev. This group and the response below is very helpful at this point for me. I have heard Yogi Bhajan said that almost all men need a momma or a wife to act as one. (or some facsimile there of to care for them). And most people do not want to grow up. I know why.it is hard work this self identity stuff.. But at 38 I would have it no other way. There is an old samurai saying, " You cannot have both beauty and comfort, I hope you will understand. " I cannot manifest my destiny unless I am willing to do the work of changing and being uncomfortable for a while - how ever long it takes. Are there any other men out here that are MUCH further down this path than I who can share their early experiences of this process with the group? I would love to hear from them. Also I am doing the neutral mind meditation: Does anyone have any experiences with this one that they can share? I have been doing it for 6 months and notice I for the first time can actually, at certain moments, engage the neutral mind and not be reactionary or emotional. The Neutral mind meditation I was given is: the " wa he gu ru " mantra, silently, focused on 3rd eye with eyes closed, breathe regulates itself, hand in Buddha mudra. Note: (When I first embarked on this journey last November Guru Dev gave me the Sa Ta Na Ma meditation for 11 minutes ( as a stop gap) then the Wa he Gu Ru one for 11-62 minutes). It is very interesting to see how the development of identity, a root chakra, and the navel point have everything to do with the ability to manifest and have prosperity in my life with my relationships, my private practice, and finances. The universe has not and will not let me receive the goodies unless I do the work to deserve it :-) Thank you and Sat Nam! Marty Kestin, BS, MSW, LMBT Moderator: Please do not include your telephone number in a post that can be exchanged offboard Good health is not expensive . it's priceless. If you can't afford prevention today, can you afford sickness tomorrow? Marty Kestin, BS, MSW, LMBT Phone Number Deleted Good health is not expensive . it's priceless. If you can't afford prevention today, can you afford sickness tomorrow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Dear Marty, Sat Nam! *Thank you for sharing about your work in developing a sense of your own identity and connection with your soul. You have probably made more progress than you think. (But it is good not to think too much.:+) The Kundalini sets for the hips and nabhi kriya help tremendously * This is good for people to note. I know why.it is hard work this self identity stuff.. But at 38 I would have it no other way. * Great spirit shinging through. I cannot manifest my destiny unless I am willing to do the work of changing and being uncomfortable for a while - how ever long it takes. * Oh so true. But change does happen and it feels so good. Are there any other men out here that are MUCH further down this path than I who can share their early experiences of this process with the group? I would love to hear from them. * Ok guys, come forth. :+) Also I am doing the neutral mind meditation: Does anyone have any experiences with this one that they can share? * Not this one in particular, but any meditation for neutral mind. You can expedite your progress by paying attention -- listening and looking inside your head to the neutral space. * There is a space and place that IS neutral. Keep bringing your attention to this space and to the quality of neutral. It also has all the other male qualities of stable, permanent, always present, imperturbable. Meditate on and feel these qualities until you can feel that this space is always available to you and that you can feel it in your body. Focus on this as much as you can during the meditation and for a few minutes after the meditation. * This is also how women can cultivate the male polarity in their psyche. One woman in particular who did this got her emotions stabilzed and attracted a very different and wonderful partner into her life. * These are the qualities also that women want to feel in men. So men, hold stable, neutral, imperterbable in your psyche and see what happens. I have been doing it for 6 months and notice I for the first time can actually, at certain moments, engage the neutral mind and not be reactionary or emotional. * Good work. The Neutral mind meditation I was given is: the " wa he gu ru " mantra, silently, focused on 3rd eye with eyes closed, breathe regulates itself, hand in Buddha mudra. It is very interesting to see how the development of identity, a root chakra, and the navel point have everything to do with the ability to manifest and have prosperity in my life with my relationships, my private practice, and finances. The universe has not and will not let me receive the goodies unless I do the work to deserve it :-) * You might want to consider the idea that it is not a question of deserving. It is a question of becoming conscious. In a higher state of consciousness you are able to attract what you want much better and to discriminate, not attract and not choose what you don't want. You are more at choice. Pain of separation is really the pain of separation from Self. When you hold the Self in your own consciousness, there is no more separation and no more pain -- just joy of being YOU. Sat Nam, Guru Rattana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Guru Rattana <gururattan Kundaliniyoga Monday, July 23, 2007 6:06:57 AM Re: Kundalini Yoga pain of seperation Dear Marty, Sat Nam! *Thank you for sharing about your work in developing a sense of your own identity and connection with your soul. You have probably made more progress than you think. (But it is good not to think too much.:+) The Kundalini sets for the hips and nabhi kriya help tremendously * This is good for people to note. I know why.it is hard work this self identity stuff.. But at 38 I would have it no other way. * Great spirit shinging through. I cannot manifest my destiny unless I am willing to do the work of changing and being uncomfortable for a while - how ever long it takes. * Oh so true. But change does happen and it feels so good. Are there any other men out here that are MUCH further down this path than I who can share their early experiences of this process with the group? I would love to hear from them. * Ok guys, come forth. :+) Also I am doing the neutral mind meditation: Does anyone have any experiences with this one that they can share? * Not this one in particular, but any meditation for neutral mind. You can expedite your progress by paying attention -- listening and looking inside your head to the neutral space. * There is a space and place that IS neutral. Keep bringing your attention to this space and to the quality of neutral. It also has all the other male qualities of stable, permanent, always present, imperturbable. Meditate on and feel these qualities until you can feel that this space is always available to you and that you can feel it in your body. Focus on this as much as you can during the meditation and for a few minutes after the meditation. * This is also how women can cultivate the male polarity in their psyche. One woman in particular who did this got her emotions stabilzed and attracted a very different and wonderful partner into her life. * These are the qualities also that women want to feel in men. So men, hold stable, neutral, imperterbable in your psyche and see what happens. I have been doing it for 6 months and notice I for the first time can actually, at certain moments, engage the neutral mind and not be reactionary or emotional. * Good work. The Neutral mind meditation I was given is: the " wa he gu ru " mantra, silently, focused on 3rd eye with eyes closed, breathe regulates itself, hand in Buddha mudra. It is very interesting to see how the development of identity, a root chakra, and the navel point have everything to do with the ability to manifest and have prosperity in my life with my relationships, my private practice, and finances. The universe has not and will not let me receive the goodies unless I do the work to deserve it :-) * You might want to consider the idea that it is not a question of deserving. It is a question of becoming conscious. In a higher state of consciousness you are able to attract what you want much better and to discriminate, not attract and not choose what you don't want. You are more at choice. Pain of separation is really the pain of separation from Self. When you hold the Self in your own consciousness, there is no more separation and no more pain -- just joy of being YOU. Sat Nam, Guru Rattana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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