Guest guest Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 I have noticed lately that “breath of fire” and other pieces of Kundalini Kriyas are making there way into Hatha and Vinyasa classes I attend. I am wondering if others have had a similar experience and how you feel about it. I have recently been approached by yoga teachers who want to learn Kundalini Yoga, but that I feel will not teach it in the tradition of Yogi Bhajan, but will take pieces of what they think students will accept. I love most all styles of yoga, but I always teach Kriyas in my Kundalini classes. I am interested in how you all feel about “Kundalini techniques” being taught outside of a kriya. Hardev Kaur Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/990 - Release 9/4/2007 10:36 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 If it aint broke don´t fix it. The teachings are the teachings. Teach them as they were taught to you. YB was clear on that. He never told me personally that was what I read and it makes sense. Otherwise your just doing Dawn Schoeder yoga. Why disassemble a kriya if it´s already designed to have a specific outcome. Why teach Kundalini -Pilates? On the other hand, you could do a sun salutation (Hatha yoga) followed by Sat Kriya or sodarshan kriya because you are doing the kundalini part as it was taught as long as you tune in three times. Would I change the order of excercises in kriyas or leave excercises out that i didn´t like?- No Would i do Sat kriya to a different mantra other than Sat Nam?- No- I´m sure you could do a kundalini part of the class after a hatha set though. I´m not the authority though. Talk to Gururattana I think we´ve already seen this question before.-Sat Nam, Chris Dawn Schroeder <dawn.yoga wrote: I have noticed lately that “breath of fire” and other pieces of Kundalini Kriyas are making there way into Hatha and Vinyasa classes I attend. I am wondering if others have had a similar experience and how you feel about it. I have recently been approached by yoga teachers who want to learn Kundalini Yoga, but that I feel will not teach it in the tradition of Yogi Bhajan, but will take pieces of what they think students will accept. I love most all styles of yoga, but I always teach Kriyas in my Kundalini classes. I am interested in how you all feel about “Kundalini techniques” being taught outside of a kriya. Hardev Kaur Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/990 - Release 9/4/2007 10:36 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2007 Report Share Posted September 6, 2007 Hi All, As Kundalini Yoga Teachers, we are karmicly and contractually bound to " teach what was given " by Yogi Bhajan. For hatha yoga teachers, reiki practitioners, bodyworkers, palm readers, faith healers, pet psychics, therapists, personal trainers and any others who may choose to mix and match what they encounter for the benefit of their students and clients... I can neither police nor judge them. One of them may create the next leap in consciousness technology, or may simply be reincarnated as cockroaches for taking too lightly the responsibility of helping others as teachers. I trust God is inside, behind, and on top of it all. It's God's game, God's call. Kundalini Yoga is a hybrid yoga that borrows from many traditions including hatha yoga. If Hatha Yogis are inclined to borrow back, maybe that is the way things evolve. On the other hand, Hatha Yoga from its introduction in the West is a surgically reconstructed discipline that only vaguely resembles its Eastern roots. There is less to protect or to be true to there. Hopefully, Hatha Yogis have the wisdom to choose wisely how they continue to reinterpret and transform their style. If it doesn't work, one would hope it will drop away. If it starts making their students crazy, hopefully they will stop teaching it that way. If students begin leading more enlightened and powerful lives, the integrations will likely endure. I'm rampantly eclectic in my willingness to learn from a variety of practices and styles, but narrowly conservative about what I'm offering as a teacher of Kundalini Yoga in the service of others. Hatha Yoga in the West, on the otherhand, is a bastardization from the beginning. Sooo... in summary, I have no opinion on the matter and neither should you. Don't worry, be happy! ---DJYogiray : - ) ---- Dawn Schroeder <dawn.yoga wrote: ============= I have noticed lately that “breath of fire†and other pieces of Kundalini Kriyas are making there way into Hatha and Vinyasa classes I attend. I am wondering if others have had a similar experience and how you feel about it. I have recently been approached by yoga teachers who want to learn Kundalini Yoga, but that I feel will not teach it in the tradition of Yogi Bhajan, but will take pieces of what they think students will accept. I love most all styles of yoga, but I always teach Kriyas in my Kundalini classes. I am interested in how you all feel about “Kundalini techniques†being taught outside of a kriya. Hardev Kaur Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/990 - Release 9/4/2007 10:36 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 Sat Nam, I quite enjoyed reading this answer. You made many good points. Either you have no opinion or every opinion. :+) Blessings, Guru Rattana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 Thanks for the reply Chris. I am not questioning how I teach Kundalini yoga, as I wrote I always teach kryias. My question is teaching to other teachers that I feel will take bits and pieces. If they don’t learn it from me, they will find it somewhere else. I am also curious if those of you who also do other styles of yoga have noticed Kundalini yoga being blended into classes, or if this is just something that is happening in my area (Cleveland, OH) Hardev Kaur Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release 9/6/2007 3:18 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 You should teach Kundalini Yoga as you were taught to teach it. What others do with those teachings is, to quote New Age thinking, " their Karma. " What you give must be correct and complete. That is your obligation as a KY teacher. You have no control beyond your own classes. You have no obligation but the truth. That said, what is the harm in a Hatha Yogi teaching or practicing Breath of Fire? It is a complete pranayam in and of itself. We practice a lot of asanas using BoF. As long as they don't advertise it as a complete, certified, " as taught by Yogi Bhajan " Kundalini Yoga kriya,I think it can only help any yogi. KartaPurkh S Khalsa Your job is to deal with everything in life with affection, love and kindness. --Yogi Bhajan http://kartapurkhkhalsa.typepad.com/ http://kckundaliniyoga.com http://kartapurkh.smugmug.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 Sat Nam Remembering that Yogi Bhajan himself appeared to break rules to bring KY to the west, I feel moved to write. Your responsibility as teacher is simply to teach. Our responsibility as humans, divine beings, I feel, is simply to be. The divine truth encapsulated in lessons cannot be damaged. Sat Nam. Any of the students blessed with you as a teacher may decide to experiment, explore, pick apart or modify exercises at home. Teachers who learn from you may do the same and pass on a modified message to their students. In the smaller view this is their responsibility - not yours. In the biggest picture we all seem to have our parts to play. As KY teachers we may believe that we are clear about our part in that grandest of patterns. True joy can come from the appreciation that others have paths which add equally to the richness of the weave of the Cosmos - paths that we cannot fathom and cannot share but that we can accept with grace and without losing integrity. May the long time Sun shine upon you In joy Bob Kundaliniyoga , " Dawn Schroeder " <dawn.yoga wrote: > > Thanks for the reply Chris. I am not questioning how I teach Kundalini > yoga, as I wrote I always teach kryias. My question is teaching to other > teachers that I feel will take bits and pieces. If they don't learn it from > me, they will find it somewhere else. I am also curious if those of you who > also do other styles of yoga have noticed Kundalini yoga being blended into > classes, or if this is just something that is happening in my area > (Cleveland, OH) > > Hardev Kaur > > > > > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 > 3:18 PM > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 I think what happens in the US is that these different styles come here in a " pure " sense....then yoga catches on as a wonderful form of exercise (which it is) and it hits the gyms and some studios and stops being a spiritual tool and starts being an exercize tool and of course, something is lost. From my small experience here (KY) it seems pretty close to its roots, and the mantras, locks, breathing are still in tact and I might add, absolutely wonderful. Huge blessings, Carol > I have recently been approached by yoga teachers who want to learn Kundalini > Yoga, but that I feel will not teach it in the tradition of Yogi Bhajan, but > will take pieces of what they think students will accept. I love most all > styles of yoga, but I always teach Kriyas in my Kundalini classes. I am > interested in how you all feel about “Kundalini techniques†being taught > outside of a kriya. > > Hardev Kaur > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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