Past Life and deep Love / workshop notes

[Guest guest]

Sat nam,

 

it is a tremendous delight and I feel personally very blessed to read

Gururattana´s and Atwa´s insights. I´ve therefore the habit to keep a little

archive of some of the replies that I find especially valuable for my path.

Thus, I´ve gone back to meditate every now and then on a reply regarding the

" Pain of Separation " , that Gururattana gave some time ago. (I´ve pasted in

below.) Together with the kind of conversation that has come up lately about

" Past Life and deep Love " I find a thorough approach to an issue that we´ll

have no way around in our lives.

 

I wished I could have participated today in Gururattana´s workshop in

Encinitas, CA, where she exposed more on the love issue. Did anybody take notes

that they would like to share in the online group? I´d be very grateful for it!

 

There is deep wisdom in the reply of Gururattana and Awtar. I sense that

connecting with the male energy of the divine source (as a woman; or female

energy as a man or however one needs it ) would ultimately lead to a complete

independency from the need of sexual physical satisfaction. Divine unity would

establish in the mind and one´s mind would be happy. Any craving for an outside

lover would transform and find peace from desire by reconnecting with the

source. And then one´s mind would be radiant and magnetic with the light of

love, able to show others the path...

 

That´s somehow my guess about it.

On the other hand, as Gururattana has pointed out, when starting with this

attuning with the love that one carries within, it is more likely to attract a

relationship that would function on a higher frequency where both partners are

more likely to be aware of the spiritual opportunity their love overs to them.

 

All this is very beautiful to know and to practice.

As someone asked already, I´d also be interested in knowing how to ground best

the heart energies. I´ve not had a partner in a long time out of fear to

getting in the trap of co-dependency and also because nobody would be around who

would be serious about a relationship. But I´ve experienced an encounter where

love simply flows and flows, as never before, perhaps similar to what some of

you have described here as soul-mate encounter. Yet, it´s the same pattern of

" impossibility " because the other person is engaged and has children he is

responsible for and should not give up for anything else. It looks as some of us

are on this stage where we have such encounters that point at the deep love

within us from the outside, yet we need to take our energy a bit higher in order

to find either that suitable partner with whom we could truely work on sharing

divine love or that self-sufficiency and peace that would allow us to merge with

the spark within

ourselves and give up the thought for a partner without any feeling of loss.

 

Thank you for sharing your great teachings.

Love

Alice

 

PS: here is the earlier message that Guru Rattana had written time ago and that

I found already so helpful in regards with a similar topic that we are

discussing recently in the group.

Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:01:31 -0700

Re: Kundalini Yoga Dealing with pain of separation

 

Dear Akkama,

 

Sat Nam!

 

Could you please shed some light on Love?

 

Why is that separation from a beloved or a lover the most painful thing?

 

 

* Because the auras get intermingled. The woman's aura is more

receptive, so it gets even more intermingled. So you have to disengage

and that is a process. The group has already told you that SA TA NA MA

is the meditation to do so.

 

How does one completely heal from this?

 

 

* First disengage with SA TA NA MA. Then connect with the Divine as

your lover. You have to connect with the stable male polarity in your

mind and then integrate this experience in your psyche, until IT

becomes your lover. That is the short answer, but that is what it takes.

 

 

It almost seems like when one falls in love with another, one never

heals from it even though the object of love is removed. In my

experience it stays through life times, for it is so very deep.

 

 

* If love is attachment to an object or person, it comes from

neediness. And this is not love. Both come from the fact that we have

not completely connected with the full presence of the Divine in our

psyche. We think we need someone else. And if you don't have that

energy consciously developed in ourselves, we feel like we do. But sure

enough, if we are in need of something, it will certainly one day be

taken away. Then we have an opportunity to become more complete within

ourselves.

 

 

* This of course can initially be a rather painful process. But at

least we are motivated to do the work it takes to get connected inside

ourselves and cultivate deep spiritual connections. It takes time, but

results are guaranteed if you do the work.

 

Anybody know what is Yogi Bhajan's quote on this?

 

 

* Yogi Bhajan told one man whose partner died, " If you really love her,

let her go. " I would add, if you really love yourself, let him go and

move on. Actually move more inward to connect with your own soul. If

you are on a spiritual path, to need someone is a trap. But when you

get to the point of not needing, you can attract a different kind of

relationship.

 

How do we

actually heal ourselves

beyond this and realize that we are all ONE?.

 

* As I said, find that oneness inside yourself. That is the only way.

 

 

Akkama, you have been on this list for a long time and you have made a

lot of progress. This is your next step. Do your KY and sit with

yourself. Look inside your head until you see, hear something that is

always there. Focus on that until it becomes your lover. You will do

it. Be patient. It takes time. But it is now or later. Now is good. It

is the most wonderful feeling you will ever have. And no one can ever

take it away from you. IT will never die. IT will never abandon you.

Even when you leave your body, you will take IT with you. You have

something very special to look forward to.

 

Oh, my soul, why get entangled with that which will not go with you.

 

Develop a relationship with that which will be with you always, and you will

never be alone.

 

Sat nam,

 

Guru Rattana

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

> It looks as some of us are on this stage where we have such

> encounters that point at the deep love within us from the outside,

> yet we need to take our energy a bit higher in order to find either

> that suitable partner with whom we could truely work on sharing

> divine love or that self-sufficiency and peace that would allow us

> to merge with the spark within

> ourselves and give up the thought for a partner without any feeling

of loss.

>

> Thank you for sharing your great teachings.

> Love

> Alice

 

Dear Alice:

 

Thanks for your reflexions! I am going to dramatize a little bit as a

dedication to this intense experience... Yes Yes Yes! We need to meet

someone with whom it seems so perfect and it flows.... and it flows...

like nothing before.... and it's impossible, the other one is married

or the other one needs to embrace a different path this time....

there's a conflict between our desire for a higher love and the

physical gripping experience... and that apparent perfect love is what

we need to give up with all the love we can muster for the sake of the

other! By this loving sacrifice, we enter the higher vibration... love

and selflessness... letting go of the possessiveness... and the human

finite knowledge of love... And... open up to a new adventure, of an

infinite nature, if we can truly let go but not forget, let go and

truly love while experiencing the sacrifice in our groin, in our guts,

in our heart, in our mind... Diving into the unknown, naked,

vulnerable, alone, with nothing as if when we die... but still alive

and meeting the world from that state... just our heart... just our

heart... Letting go of the rest... for the sake of this one moment of

liberation... It is heart wrenching a times...

 

Like navigating a ship in the storm, we can get awed by the storm but

we need to remain focussed on saving the ship. That focus will get us

through... and letting the drama dissolve... fade away... keeping the

heart open.

 

Blessings,

Awtar Singh

[Guest guest]

SAT NAM,

What interesting posts!! My God!!.. The below questions were lingering in my

mind but looks like they are all answered to me now and I am ready to take on

the next journey higher up... The below notes of Guru Rattana made so much sense

this time when I re-read it, its almost like we need to have shift in our

vibration along with the knowledge, it takes time and the right moment.

 

I still carried some doubts last time but not anymore.. WOW Wahe Guru!! ..

 

Truly truly blessed as always!. I almost feel like my spiritual journey has

been ramping up exponentially with Kundalini Yoga and Yogi Bhajan and you all!!

 

Thank you all,

Akkama

 

yogahs <kundalini_yoga wrote: > It

looks as some of us are on this stage where we have such

> encounters that point at the deep love within us from the outside,

> yet we need to take our energy a bit higher in order to find either

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Alice,

 

Sat Nam!

 

* Thank you for your letter and for sending again what I wrote a while back. I

enjoyed reading it again myself. :+)

 

I wished I could have participated today in Gururattana´s workshop in

Encinitas, CA, where she exposed more on the love issue. Did anybody take notes

that they would like to share in the online group? I´d be very grateful for it!

 

* I have included a short summary of what we did below. At the appropriate time

you will get my notes. :+)

 

There is deep wisdom in the reply of Gururattana and Awtar. I sense that

connecting with the male energy of the divine source (as a woman; or female

energy as a man or however one needs it

 

* Actually both men and women have to connect with the higher expressions of

both the male polarity and the female polarity of the Divine and their souls.

The neutral mind is where we find the highest expression of the male polarity.

 

would ultimately lead to a complete independency from the need of sexual

physical satisfaction.

 

* I am not sure about this. But it can make us independent human beings who do

not NEED to get attached to someone else to find what we think is wholeness. We

are going for wholeness, not the suppression of sexual desire or satisfaction.

 

Divine unity would establish in the mind and one´s mind would be happy. Any

craving for an outside lover would transform and find peace from desire by

reconnecting with the source. And then one´s mind would be radiant and magnetic

with the light of love, able to show others the path...

 

* Yes this is our goal. Well stated. Go for that in terms of your mind and the

male polarity of your soul.

 

That´s somehow my guess about it. On the other hand, as Gururattana has pointed

out, when starting with this attuning with the love that one carries within, it

is more likely to attract a relationship that would function on a higher

frequency where both partners are more likely to be aware of the spiritual

opportunity their love overs to them.

 

* Yes this summarizes how we can attract out of wholeness and not out of

neediness.

 

All this is very beautiful to know and to practice.

 

* Yes, Knowing is good to set our sights. But it is practice that will get us

to our destination.

 

As someone asked already, I´d also be interested in knowing how to ground best

the heart energies.

 

* The upper and lower chakras connect in the heart. The female polarity is

experienced in the lower chakras. Feel all your sensations in your body and

stick with them. Feel. Allow your feelings in your body and LOVE your feelings

in your body. That is the formula.

 

* That is what we did Sunday. We did the set for the Navel and Elimination in

Transitions to a Heart Centered World p. 48-9 and between every exercise we took

time to FEEL, ALLOW, INTEGRATE AND LOVE our emotional feelings in our body.

 

* In NMB on Libra 139 I gave the formula for the upper chakras down method, ie.

neutral mind first and then integrate that consciousness into your body. Please

refer to that. BTW, it makes me happy to know that people practice what I send

out in NMBs.

 

I´ve not had a partner in a long time out of fear to getting in the trap of

co-dependency and also because nobody would be around who would be serious about

a relationship.

 

* So you are doing what you need to do now to be in relationship with yourself.

 

 

But I´ve experienced an encounter where love simply flows and flows, as never

before, perhaps similar to what some of you have described here as soul-mate

encounter. Yet, it´s the same pattern of " impossibility " because the other

person is engaged and has children he is responsible for and should not give up

for anything else. It looks as some of us are on this stage where we have such

encounters that point at the deep love within us from the outside, yet we need

to take our energy a bit higher in order to find either that suitable partner

with whom we could truely work on sharing divine love or that self-sufficiency

and peace that would allow us to merge with the spark within ourselves and give

up the thought for a partner without any feeling of loss.

 

* That is it! And we are learning to separate reality from illusions and

fantacies. Not available is not available. And we can still have the feelings

and enjoy them inside ourselves.

 

Thank you for sharing your great teachings.

 

* You are most welcome. Thank you (and everyone!) for receiving and doing the

work to bring more light and love to the planet.

 

Blessings,

 

Guru Rattana :+)

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Sat nam to all

Dear Awtar,

 

I was very glad to read your insights as a reply to my previous message.

 

The explanation you gave of how letting go that perfect love actually translates

into moving into a higher vibration already, is very consoling.

What you say is congruent with the inner experience I had when I somehow the

connection with the " perfect love " had reached its top level while, at the same

time, the drama reached its peak by the realization that it´s " impossible " for

us to live that love because the circumstances that would (morally) allow it

aren´t there: for about two hours I was immersed in what I thought a special

distance connection with the other person through which I was able to sense an

immense divine beauty. Even while I was experiencing this state of being witness

of such beauty, EVERYTHING else was perceivable as beautiful, too. My immediate

surroundings, the wind in the leaves of the trees that stood outside in the

garden, the atmosphere in the room, ANY people I could think of... everything

was beautiful. But the most connection I felt with was this person - who, as I

realized, is just ONE being among so many, who is beautiful. In this kind of

mental state I knew that

it was a " wrong view " of mine to prefer him and hold him dearer over many other

beings, because they are all SAME as beautiful. All divine.

And I felt strangely angry at myself that I had been craving for him and

disregarding the fact that beauty was all over, even in persons who I had been

regarding as little important, whose beauty I had purposely overseen.

 

The lesson I learn from this experience is that I got to experience and enjoy

the divine, its beauty, in all beings. These might be beings who don´t care for

me or who seem little interesting to me. However, they share the same beauty,

same divinity.

So there is much gratitude in me for the fact that I could meet a person who

would trigger that perception of utmost (spiritual) beauty within me. Knowing

that the beauty that I first perceived in this person is there within all

creation helps me quite a bit to detach from the clinging to the one person.

I´m now confronted with the challenge to discover and appreciate the beauty

that I sensed so strongly in him behind the fassades of other people and

situations where this beauty is, as well, though for me, usually, less easily

perceivable...

 

This was a powerful experience during which it nearly broke my heart several

times while the process of recognition went on about that I would have to give

up upon the person who seemed to be my most perfect link to recognizing divinity

and beauty in this world.

 

I am still wondering if there is something more I should be doing for

maintaining on a higher vibration. Somehow, I´ve been stuck for years, meaning

that there did not seem to be much of a progress while being always on my own,

alone, and at the same time not even being attracted to a person who could

possibly be a suitable partner for a path to share together seriously.

 

In every case, what I wanted to say, it is very good how energy shifts and

realizations came about all by themselves. It just seems that sometimes it takes

really a long time until they come about.

 

Love

Alice

[Guest guest]

> I am still wondering if there is something more I should be doing

for maintaining on a higher vibration. Somehow, I´ve been stuck for

years, meaning that there did not seem to be much of a progress while

being always on my own, alone, and at the same time not even being

attracted to a person who could possibly be a suitable partner for a

path to share together seriously.

 

Dear Alice:

 

Thanks for sharing your experience. I strive to write from my

experience and not from some abstract teachings and wisdom... so it is

nice when what I share is confirmed by someone else's experience!

 

To maintain a higher vibration, I would suggest for you to continue to

develop your personal relationship to the divine. Communicate morning

and evening with God or Yogi Bhajan or Buddha or Jesus (whoever you

feel an affinity with), and allow yourself to be as close to them as

you would with your best friend. Our teachers are more approachable

than most of us know. We need to make the effort of releasing the

distance. The distance does not come from them. We are holding on to

it now, where ever it came from!

 

Blessings,

Awtar Singh