Vegetarian Diet

[Guest guest]

Sat nam everyone!

 

 

 

I suspect that Kundalini Yoga recommends a vegetarian diet. If this is

correct could someone please post the philosophy behind this please?

 

 

 

I am currently involved in an activity that recommends meat be taken out of

the diet as animal suffer a tremendous amount of fear when being

slaughtered. The energy of this emotion imprints into the meat which then

charges the human body when eaten.

 

 

 

However I would really like to know the KY stance on diet.

 

 

 

Thanks

 

Marie

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

---- Original Message ----

" Marie Hansen " <cynos7

<Kundaliniyoga >

Wednesday, January 02, 2008 3:30 AM

Kundalini Yoga Vegetarian Diet

 

> Sat nam everyone!

>

> I suspect that Kundalini Yoga recommends a vegetarian diet. If this

> is correct could someone please post the philosophy behind this

> please?

 

Sat Nam!

 

It's very simple.....we don't need to kill a living being to satsify our

hunger........plus I've found really interesting the section about diet in

the book " Relax and Renew " where you can see what food is good, what is not

(not only meat is bad for our body) and the right combines between them to

have a good digestion.

 

Fateh Dharma!

 

Sujan Singh

 

http://www.yogajap.com

[Guest guest]

Sat Nam: What you have stated is one of the major

reasons we choose vegetarianism. There are many

others, take your choice.

(1) Almost all the animals chosen for slaughter are

laced with chemicals to fatten them up -- where do you

think all those chemicals go? Right to the consumer.

(2) What gives one species (man) the right to decide

which other species die?

(3) Any meat held at 98.6 degrees F. for more than

12-18 hours rots and turns to poison. It takes you

longer than that to digest a complex protein like

meat. Carrying poison around in your system for

extended periods of time will kill you.

(4) It takes a lot less farmland and farmers to feed a

vegetarian than it does to feed a carnivore. After

all, you've got to feed the animal first then feed the

human the animal!

(5) Meat eaters rarely take responsibility for killing

their own food. Native Americans ate meat but they

used every bit of the animal, from hide to horns to

hooves as well as the meat. Their lifestyle as

hunter/gatherers enabled them to fully transmute the

energy of taking responsibility for the taking of a

life. They had and have respect for the life they

took.

Spiritually speaking, who are we to judge wholives

and who of God's creation dies?

 

KartaPurkh S Khalsa

Your job is to deal with everything in life with affection, love and

kindness. --Yogi Bhajan

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[Guest guest]

Sat nam!

 

 

 

Thank you all for your responding posts.

 

 

 

I was aware of all the other things ...farming, homones, land, etc.

 

 

 

But I was really looking for the simple philosophy which was summed up

beautifully .. It's very simple.....we don't need to kill a living being to

satsify our

hunger........

 

 

 

Thanks again

 

Marie

 

 

 

 

 

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On Behalf Of Centro Yoga ''Jap''

Wednesday, January 02, 2008 8:22 PM

Kundaliniyoga

Re: Kundalini Yoga Vegetarian Diet

 

 

 

---- Original Message ----

" Marie Hansen " <cynos7 (AT) xtra (DOT) <cynos7%40xtra.co.nz> co.nz>

<Kundaliniyoga@ <Kundaliniyoga%40>

>

Wednesday, January 02, 2008 3:30 AM

Kundalini Yoga Vegetarian Diet

 

> Sat nam everyone!

>

> I suspect that Kundalini Yoga recommends a vegetarian diet. If this

> is correct could someone please post the philosophy behind this

> please?

 

Sat Nam!

 

It's very simple.....we don't need to kill a living being to satsify our

hunger........plus I've found really interesting the section about diet in

the book " Relax and Renew " where you can see what food is good, what is not

(not only meat is bad for our body) and the right combines between them to

have a good digestion.

 

Fateh Dharma!

 

Sujan Singh

 

http://www.yogajap. <http://www.yogajap.com> com

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> But I was really looking for the simple philosophy which was summed up

> beautifully .. It's very simple.....we don't need to kill a living

being to

> satsify our

> hunger........

>

 

I wonder what you think of killing plants then? They are living beings

as well!

 

Blessings,

 

Awtar Singh

[Guest guest]

Sat Nam Awtar

You voiced my feelings and thoughts very nicely. In fact, we ought to

respect plants more as part of the food more and not destroy them needlessly but

nurture and help the next generation along. I believe that plants have

feelings also. They are also the fruits of our labor when we nourish them so

they

can nourish us.

Not everyone can tolerate a totally vegetarian lifestyle.

Is there a reason that one needs to take a vegetarian diet to appreciate

KY?

Heartfully

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[Guest guest]

.........that's quite funny! I have been asked that before by some of my

non-vegetarian friends.......and I still don't have an answer for that one

yet.

 

 

 

Perhaps plants were put here for us by the creator. They contain medicines

and nutrition etc.

 

 

 

Thanks Awtar I thought I was actually going to make it through the day

without having to try to unravel some mystery - ha ha ha!

 

 

 

Sat nam!

 

 

 

Kundaliniyoga [Kundaliniyoga ]

On Behalf Of yogahs

Thursday, 3 January 2008 10:31 p.m.

Kundaliniyoga

Kundalini Yoga Re: Vegetarian Diet

 

 

 

> But I was really looking for the simple philosophy which was summed up

> beautifully .. It's very simple.....we don't need to kill a living

being to

> satsify our

> hunger........

>

 

I wonder what you think of killing plants then? They are living beings

as well!

 

Blessings,

 

Awtar Singh

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Sat Nam, Awtar,

 

Interestingly, I thought the same thing, what about the living plants? Thinking

like this can make everything so complicated. I used to eat meat, prior to

completing my Level 1 Kundalini Yoga Teachers Training, and sometime after

completion, I noticed I was really turned off by tasting, smelling and chewing

any kind of meat. I am not a follower; I do not choose to do, or not do,

something because someone else says I should. So, I did not understand what

happened in Teachers Training that promoted this. I was told I had raised my

vibration and was more in tune with the energies I was taking in my body.

 

Can anyone else elaborate on this, please?

 

Blessings,

Padmani Kaur

 

 

Kundaliniyoga: kundalini_yoga: Thu, 3

Jan 2008 09:30:46 +0000Kundalini Yoga Re: Vegetarian Diet

 

 

 

 

> But I was really looking for the simple philosophy which was summed up>

beautifully .. It's very simple.....we don't need to kill a livingbeing to>

satsify our > hunger........> I wonder what you think of killing plants then?

They are living beingsas well!Blessings,Awtar Singh

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Marie:

 

Your original question was about relating the philosophy of Kundalini

Yoga related to the vegetarian diet. The responses you have received

were personal and not coming from the philosophy of yoga, at least no

reference to Yogi Bhajan or yoga teachings were given. So I decided to

look through my KY teachers' manual for clarity on the matter.

 

Yogi Bhajan said: " Vegetarians don't eat anything that has a mother. "

There is technical discussion describing what meat undergoes when an

animal dies which brings about the toxins that one of your responders

talked about and makes the meat toxic to the liver. By contrast

vegetable protein do not undergo this process of putrefaction.

 

Meat are among the most acid producing foods. This makes it harder to

get to clear meditative states.

 

Meat is also among the greatest source of cholesterol which

contributes to heart disease and hardened arteries. meats take 3 days

to pass through the human system. For optimum health, men need to

digest food within 24 hours and women within 18.

 

This is no philosophy. These are facts.

 

As for the philosophy, it is summarized as: " You are what you eat! "

What we choose to eat is what makes our future selves.

 

Awtar Singh

Rochester, NY

[Guest guest]

Is the desire. A meal with meat will be more satisfying compare a meal with pure

veggie. We must control our desires in return to gain control of our mind which

will help us to concentrate.

[Guest guest]

Meat blocks your chakras, I feel you reach better enlightenment being

vegan... But that's the way I feel in my life.

[Guest guest]

Sat Nam Group,

 

I have a few comments to add.

 

We all know that there is life in all forms. Some of the basic forms

being air, light, water, fire. These basic elements are at the top

of the inverted food chain. The more we move down the chain, the

more energy needed to digest/convert food into usable energy. Isn't

it inefficient to spend our life energy digesting complex matter, to

meet the desire of our taste buds again and again and again? Sri

Rajneesh said there's nothing wrong about desires*. But he said

enjoy every moment when you indulge in desires and when you're done,

get back to basics :-).

 

So the question boils down to, what is it we are composed of,

Desires or Selfless service to humanity.

 

Just my thoughts,

 

With lots of Love and Light,

Shanthi Priya

 

Kundaliniyoga , " yogahs " <kundalini_yoga

wrote:

>

> > But I was really looking for the simple philosophy which was

summed up

> > beautifully .. It's very simple.....we don't need to kill a

living

> being to

> > satsify our

> > hunger........

> >

>

> I wonder what you think of killing plants then? They are living

beings

> as well!

>

> Blessings,

>

> Awtar Singh

>

[Guest guest]

I'll comment on the later distaste for meat : I've gone vegetarian and vegan a

couple times in my life, and based on this and the input of friends, it's very

common to experience a (sometimes serious) distaste for meat once you stop

eating it. I found the smell of even an italian meat sauce revolting after a few

months. Nonetheless, eventually my constitution and metabolism (probably in

winter) eventually demanded more protein and fat. That's just my genetics. But

it's not KY, or vibrations... just biology. We're omnivores, all of us, but some

of our ancestors specialized in different ways. I'm a boreal or sub-temperate

genetic type, so definitely need some animal content, at least part of the year.

 

 

 

 

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MODERATOR: I think enough has been said on this thread, I

feel like members are snoring right now. Let's move on.

 

Obviously, plants are not sentient. The difference between animals on the one

hand, and plants/protists/etc... on the other should be obvious. No brain, no

higher functioning, vegetative lifestyle... Let's not be flaky here. KY, and all

yoga, is a science. Even sentient beings will die, sometimes unpleasantly. Our

job is to make sure any necessary deaths are good deaths. Death is a reality of,

and correlary to, life itself. Eventually through yoga one will pass through

death and no longer fear it. This is a very early step to enlightenment. One

will still have compassion and love, but also move toward understanding and

wisdom. KY teaches one skillful means of body work, mind work, aural work.

Compassion and wisdom are soul-work, done through higher yogas.

 

I eat cows and chickens and fishes (fishes are about halfway down to plants,

IMHO) and lambs and deer and love them all deeply; and yet have experienced

samadhi directly. There are literally no absolute qualifications to success in

the great work, so long as it is done with compassion and wisdom. As Jesus

taught, even the filthiest murderer can achieve salvation (in this lifetime).

 

 

 

 

 

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Thank you for going to the core of the matter . It is great when YB is quoted,

that make the point final and clear . No more need for discussion. Thank you Sat

Nam. lily

 

yogahs <kundalini_yoga wrote: Marie:

 

Your original question was about relating the philosophy of Kundalini

Yoga related to the vegetarian diet. The responses you have received

were personal and not coming from the philosophy of yoga, at least no

reference to Yogi Bhajan or yoga teachings were given. So I decided to

look through my KY teachers' manual for clarity on the matter.

 

Yogi Bhajan said: " Vegetarians don't eat anything that has a mother. "

There is technical discussion describing what meat undergoes when an

animal dies which brings about the toxins that one of your responders

talked about and makes the meat toxic to the liver. By contrast

vegetable protein do not undergo this process of putrefaction.

 

Meat are among the most acid producing foods. This makes it harder to

get to clear meditative states.

 

Meat is also among the greatest source of cholesterol which

contributes to heart disease and hardened arteries. meats take 3 days

to pass through the human system. For optimum health, men need to

digest food within 24 hours and women within 18.

 

This is no philosophy. These are facts.

 

As for the philosophy, it is summarized as: " You are what you eat! "

What we choose to eat is what makes our future selves.

 

Awtar Singh

Rochester, NY

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Awtar, thanks for the post and for going off to look up the information.

I really appreciate that.

 

 

 

I haven't been doing KY that long and don't have any of the books yet, which

is one of the reasons why I joined the group - to be able to learn, and of

course to connect with other people and hear their experiences etc.

 

 

 

 

 

Kundaliniyoga [Kundaliniyoga ]

On Behalf Of yogahs

Friday, 4 January 2008 6:14 p.m.

Kundaliniyoga

Kundalini Yoga Re: Vegetarian Diet

 

 

 

Marie:

 

Your original question was about relating the philosophy of Kundalini

Yoga related to the vegetarian diet. The responses you have received

were personal and not coming from the philosophy of yoga, at least no

reference to Yogi Bhajan or yoga teachings were given. So I decided to

look through my KY teachers' manual for clarity on the matter.

 

Yogi Bhajan said: " Vegetarians don't eat anything that has a mother. "

There is technical discussion describing what meat undergoes when an

animal dies which brings about the toxins that one of your responders

talked about and makes the meat toxic to the liver. By contrast

vegetable protein do not undergo this process of putrefaction.

 

Meat are among the most acid producing foods. This makes it harder to

get to clear meditative states.

 

Meat is also among the greatest source of cholesterol which

contributes to heart disease and hardened arteries. meats take 3 days

to pass through the human system. For optimum health, men need to

digest food within 24 hours and women within 18.

 

This is no philosophy. These are facts.

 

As for the philosophy, it is summarized as: " You are what you eat! "

What we choose to eat is what makes our future selves.

 

Awtar Singh

Rochester, NY

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

years ago i was a vegetarian and then i was in a car accident and my body craved

meats, mostly chicken. so i returned to eating meat to allow my body to heal

(on the advice of my somatic therapist). now, years later i have tried and

tried to cut down my meat consumption but i'm left feeling empty, grouchy (to

say it nicely) and binging on foods to feel full. as a catholic i observe lent

and w/ that just a few weeks around the corner, i would like to abstain from

meat. can anyone make suggestions of making this transition back to a

vegeterain lifesytle so as not to throw me into a binge eating episode. E~

 

 

 

Shunga Tayaka <shunga77

kundaliniyoga

Thursday, January 3, 2008 10:39:30 PM

RE: Kundalini Yoga Re: Vegetarian Diet

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is the desire. A meal with meat will be more satisfying compare a meal with pure

veggie. We must control our desires in return to gain control of our mind which

will help us to concentrate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Kundaliniyoga , Betty Emadi <bjemadi wrote:

>

> Sat Nam, Awtar,

>

> Interestingly, I thought the same thing, what about the living

plants? Thinking like this can make everything so complicated. I

used to eat meat, prior to completing my Level 1 Kundalini Yoga

Teachers Training, and sometime after completion, I noticed I was

really turned off by tasting, smelling and chewing any kind of meat.

I am not a follower; I do not choose to do, or not do, something

because someone else says I should. So, I did not understand what

happened in Teachers Training that promoted this. I was told I had

raised my vibration and was more in tune with the energies I was

taking in my body.

>

> Can anyone else elaborate on this, please?

>

> Blessings,

> Padmani Kaur

 

Sat Nam All,

 

I don't know about elaborating, but I'll add my two cents worth. I am

an " O " blood type, and if you've read Dr. D'Adamo's book " Eat Right

for your Blood Type " , you will understand how the different blood

types evolved according to the diet which humankind has had to ingest

at various times of our evolution. The " O " type was first, and

correspondeds to humans as hunter/gatherers, and this body-type does

best with a fair amount of red meat in it, as large amounts of acid

are released in our systems to aid in the digestion of meat. We tend

generally to be over-acidic (acid reflux), and not to do well (bad

physiological reactions) with grains. The " A's " , " B's " , and " AB's "

developed as humans evolved as shoredwellers (fishermen) and then as

settled agrarians. The vegetarian types excrete more alkali in order

to help digest vegetable matter. Personally I am finding that I am

feeling better with a high percentage of vegetables in my diet, but I

feel best when I do add a small amount of meat sometimes. Otherwise I

get cravings and begin to feel unwell. I am open to the possibility of

eating less and less meat if I end up feeling better without it - I

guess time will tell. Perhaps KY practice will change my DNA, but in

the meantime, I am trying to listen to my body's messages to do best

for myself, and will likely eat small amounts of meat as my body

suggests.

 

Serena

[Guest guest]

Sat Nam, all this thinking about what exactly we are

doing may seem complicated and confusing but it is

actually not. In technical terms it is metacognition

(another term!) which simply means thinking about what

you are thinking. Basically it is nothing more than a

lifting a level of our awareness to a NEW AND MORE

SENSITIVE PLANE. Kundalini Yoga IS the yoga of

awareness so it follows as the night the day that we

will " THINK " about things a bit more (actually a lot

more) than before we started practicing this strange

and wonderful discipline.

 

So, what to do about these seeming problem of food and

the killing and cooking of plants and or animals. Yogi

Bhajan had a number of parameters about what he would

or would not eat. (This is taken from a number of

talks that I heard from him.) He said he wouldn't eat

anything if it could, run, fly or swim away from him.

This pretty much covers the animal kingdom. He also

qualified his food choices saying he would not eat

anything that had a mother. So, (in MY terminology)

that's two points against eating animals and in

general two points in favor of eating plants. Finally,

#3, he would not eat anything that had a face. He also

mentioned that in reality man does not control at any

comparable level the growth of animals as he does the

growth of plants. When you think about it man merely

coexists on the planet with the animal species while

he is almost (but not quite) a creative energy as a

farmer who plants seeds, waters plants and weeds his

fields.

 

I know that this may not answer finally all questions

folks may have about this process, but until we evolve

into fruitarians (not eat anything that is not given

up by a plant in ripeness) or breatharians (existing

solely on the prana existing in the air around us) we

will have to THINK about such things.

 

Sat Nam

 

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Your job is to deal with everything in life with affection, love and

kindness. --Yogi Bhajan

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>

can anyone make suggestions of making this transition back to a

vegeterain lifesytle so as not to throw me into a binge eating

episode. E~

 

Dear E:

 

Perhaps it is not meat so much as proteins and quality proteins you

are craving for. There are different body types. There are also many

different approaches to body types. Dr. Abravanel's Body Type System

(http://bodytypes.com/faq.htm) explains that people whose main gland

is the thyroid specifies that they need to eat more proteins than the

American standards. I have always know that I needed more protein in

my diet than carbs so his discovery does not surprise me. I happen to

have a body type regulated by the thyroid gland according to his system.

 

This is not to negate Ayurveda or any other system. Just to offer a

place to start your search on your journey.

 

So I would suggest you try the different vegetables that have lots of

proteins (leafy greens do such as chards), nuts, beans... And see

what;s most satisfying to you. Your body knows what it needs.

 

Blessings,

Awtar Singh

[Guest guest]

Just a question - with concern for life/living things, why is it that Kundalini

practitioners use sheep wool/hide for practice/meditation? Someone told me it

was because of the energy it gives, but isn't that anti-vegetarian since an

animal is killed for this? Can someone inform me with facts what this sheep skin

is for?

 

J J <jongeneral wrote: So true. Plants deserve love too!

 

A few things to consider are Caloric Restriction, eat less to reduce

your impact and have better health and spiritual connection.

 

And... fruit! Eating fruit doesn't kill the trees/plants.

 

One other thing to be grateful for is that fewer plants are killed in a

vegetarian/vegan diet, compared to diets that require conversion of

plant into meat/eggs/dairy.

 

Personally, I consistently feel the benefits of KY and meditation most

when on a living food (raw), all plant diet (vegan), especially

majorily fruits and veggies. My physical, mental, and emotional health

do the best on that diet also. I've wavered as I've learned and going

back to this diet has always been like an awakening. For me, it takes 2-

4 days of eating raw vegan to notice the benefits.

 

Sat Nam!

Jon

 

Kundaliniyoga , " yogahs " <kundalini_yoga

wrote:

>

> > But I was really looking for the simple philosophy which was summed

up

> > beautifully .. It's very simple.....we don't need to kill a living

> being to

> > satsify our

> > hunger........

> >

>

> I wonder what you think of killing plants then? They are living beings

> as well!

>

> Blessings,

>

> Awtar Singh

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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