Guest guest Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 sounds like it is time to move onto the second series... check out the asana i wonder if you are pranic...maybe it would halp to nuetralize..pubic bone twrds chin lengthen tail away...in all standing...give it a try good luck k kkizirnis <kkizirnis wrote: I've been practicing on & off for a few years and do the primary a couple times a week (I know it should be more). I also take an anusara class here & there, power vinyasa, a little yin. I have significant low back pain the day after doing the primary, but not after any other classes, no matter how rigorous.... even after a day full of backbends at a Baptiste intensive. Sometimes doing some twists after all those u. dhanurasanas helps a little, but not entirely. Anyone else? Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 Lower back pain is more commonly a consequence of forward bends rather than backbends. Primary is a lot of forward folds. You might have an experienced instructor look at your forward folds. If you are pulling your head to your knees and/or putting a lot of curvature at L1-L4 you would expect to develop lower back pain. Perhaps try a more " modest " forward fold -- try to lengthen your back (straighten your lower back so fold originates at hip crease) and perhaps not take your head as far forward/down as you might otherwise be inclined to do. -tom On 6/1/07, kkizirnis <kkizirnis wrote: > > I've been practicing on & off for a few years and do the primary a > couple times a week (I know > it should be more). > I also take an anusara class here & there, power vinyasa, a little yin. I > have significant low > back pain the day after doing the primary, but not after any other > classes, no matter how > rigorous.... even after a day full of backbends at a Baptiste intensive. > > Sometimes doing some twists after all those u. dhanurasanas helps a > little, but not entirely. > Anyone else? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 Dear Tom, For Lower Back Pain : 1. DO SNACK AND SALABH ASAN AND MONKEY POSE(MARKAT ASAN) 2.DO NOT DO FORWARD BAND ASAN AND DONT LIFT LOAD. WITH REGARDS, JAYSESH JOSHI YOGACHARYA ZEN YOGADHARA HATHA YOGA PRACTICE CENTER, AHEMDABAD - INIDA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 ... sounds like you might be collapsing your lower back when lowering into chataranga.. its very common with beginners until you increase your strength over time... its important to keep the body ridged when lowering and not to allow the hips to drop first.. hope this helps.. mart > " kkizirnis " <kkizirnis >ashtangayoga >ashtangayoga >ashtanga yoga lower back pain >Fri, 01 Jun 2007 14:17:41 -0000 > >I've been practicing on & off for a few years and do the primary a couple >times a week (I know >it should be more). >I also take an anusara class here & there, power vinyasa, a little yin. I >have significant low >back pain the day after doing the primary, but not after any other classes, >no matter how >rigorous.... even after a day full of backbends at a Baptiste intensive. > >Sometimes doing some twists after all those u. dhanurasanas helps a little, >but not entirely. >Anyone else? > _______________ Play your part in making history - Email Britain! http://www.emailbritain.co.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 As you say Tom, Primary has lots of forward bends in it, but for those who are stuck in Primary, or not ready for Intermediate, it is easily possible to introduce some more backbends to compensate for all the forward bends. For example, in every surya namaskar and if possible in every vinyasa too, hold every updog for five breaths (or more). If you do this every chance you get, you will find that it does provide a counter-pose for the forward bending. Okay, it is slightly modifying Primary and the purists would object, but if it means that those with back trouble can do Primary more easily and with greater benefit, I'm pretty sure it would be acceptable. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Even just being more aware of how you move thru the vinyasa would accomplish the same thing ( for the purists). People generally fly thru the vinyasa vs allowing each asana to be just that - an asana. Find the opening of the heart and shoulders in updog, lengthen the tailbone, stay long and lifted and the pain should subside. But Annie is right, ashtanga is based on a pose/counterpose system so for every forward bend, allow yourself to enjoy a back bend! E ashtangayoga , " Annie Gurton " <annie wrote: > > As you say Tom, Primary has lots of forward bends in it, but for those who > are stuck in Primary, or not ready for Intermediate, it is easily possible > to introduce some more backbends to compensate for all the forward bends. > For example, in every surya namaskar and if possible in every vinyasa too, > hold every updog for five breaths (or more). > If you do this every chance you get, you will find that it does provide a > counter-pose for the forward bending. > Okay, it is slightly modifying Primary and the purists would object, but if > it means that those with back trouble can do Primary more easily and with > greater benefit, I'm pretty sure it would be acceptable. > A > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Hi Annie My recollection from a weekend intensive with David Williams is that he recommended exactly what you recommend, and for the same reasons, to give a backbend to those who may be still practicing only the Primary Series. Cheers, Arturo Re: lower back pain Posted by: " Annie Gurton " annie anniegurton Fri Jun 8, 2007 10:25 pm (PST) As you say Tom, Primary has lots of forward bends in it, but for those who are stuck in Primary, or not ready for Intermediate, it is easily possible to introduce some more backbends to compensate for all the forward bends. For example, in every surya namaskar and if possible in every vinyasa too, hold every updog for five breaths (or more). If you do this every chance you get, you will find that it does provide a counter-pose for the forward bending. Okay, it is slightly modifying Primary and the purists would object, but if it means that those with back trouble can do Primary more easily and with greater benefit, I'm pretty sure it would be acceptable. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 Thanks for the expert advice, everyone! I was blaming backbends, but I think you may be right; it's all the forward bending, compounded by my moderate scoliosis, which I don't 'mind' as i should. Namaste Kathi On Jun 12, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Arturo Veve wrote: > Hi Annie > My recollection from a weekend intensive with David Williams is > that he recommended exactly what you recommend, and for the same > reasons, to give a backbend to those who may be still practicing > only the Primary Series. > Cheers, > Arturo > > Re: lower back pain > Posted by: " Annie Gurton " annie anniegurton > Fri Jun 8, 2007 10:25 pm (PST) > As you say Tom, Primary has lots of forward bends in it, but for > those who > are stuck in Primary, or not ready for Intermediate, it is easily > possible > to introduce some more backbends to compensate for all the forward > bends. > For example, in every surya namaskar and if possible in every > vinyasa too, > hold every updog for five breaths (or more). > If you do this every chance you get, you will find that it does > provide a > counter-pose for the forward bending. > Okay, it is slightly modifying Primary and the purists would > object, but if > it means that those with back trouble can do Primary more easily > and with > greater benefit, I'm pretty sure it would be acceptable. > A > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Sat Nam! A couples of days ago I forced my back to finish a work (moving heavy loads from a room to another one) and now, as I had to figure out, my lower back hurts (now it's hard to me to walk in a natural way and to bend forward). My doctor told me to take some Voltaren pills and wait...but I care of stomach as well of my back so I would ask you all if you know some good exercise to relax the muscles of my back (now I have the feeling of a twitch in my lower back), while I keep resting and put on that area Arnica Oil. Any idea will be fine! Thanx in advance. Fateh Dharma! Sujan S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 I suffered that same injury. A massage therapist had me sit right at the edge of the table take a hold of my knee to the chest, lay my torso back on the table as she held down the other leg ( pulling on the illiopsoas muscle). then the same for the other side. Next she had my entire body on the table an do lying spinal twist and she would hold down the folded knee as she pushed at the hip area. This really worked for me ,prior to this I could not make a move without pain. Hope it does for you. Harsevak Kaur " Sujan S. " <noi wrote: Sat Nam! A couples of days ago I forced my back to finish a work (moving heavy loads from a room to another one) and now, as I had to figure out, my lower back hurts (now it's hard to me to walk in a natural way and to bend forward). My doctor told me to take some Voltaren pills and wait...but I care of stomach as well of my back so I would ask you all if you know some good exercise to relax the muscles of my back (now I have the feeling of a twitch in my lower back), while I keep resting and put on that area Arnica Oil. Any idea will be fine! Thanx in advance. Fateh Dharma! Sujan S. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Dear Sujan, What I do when it happens a lower back pain is that i massage very profoundly the middle part of the sole of my feet, the arch and then the whole. By rubbing our feet, one massages our whole body. Try this: * * Wash your feet thoroughly with soap and warm water. Dry and sit in a comfortable position so you can easily reach them. Apply Arnica oil to one of your feet . I use the Arnica and Betula from Welleda. Start by gently rubbing the base of your toes then a slight pressure between toes. Massage, stretch and pull each toe gently and rub each side of the nails. Then massage the ball of your foot in a circular motion. Apply gentle pressure on both sides of your heels below the ankle joints, followed by circling around your ankle joint with both hands in a clockwise motion. This improves circulation and the energy level of the body. Finally massage your calf muscle to release tension. Repeat the same steps on your other foot. I suggest Ra Ma Da Sa chanting for at least 11 minutes as well. May you be well and help others, Dharam Kaur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 Dear Sujan Singh: The best way I know when the back is over worked is simply to exercise very simple stretches that help you feel the pain. The way I understand it is that if you avoid the pain you send a signal to your back that you don't need that area. Something like that! Whether it is true or not my technique works. Also don't think negatively about how it occurred or whether your back is taking too long or anything about the pain. It is best to imagine the pain as part of the healing and be grateful for it. The stretches to do depend on which ones help you feel the pain so they are up for you to discover. But be gentle as well and in receptive mode, not in militaristic mode (but I guess you already know that!) Best wishes! Awtar Singh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Sat Nam Sujan Singh, I'm just now coming out of a very hard week of lower back incapacity and pain, where my best friends were a heating pad and my acupuncturist/Chinese herbalist. This has happened a few times over the years and, at times, have learned a lot about myself from the pain. This time around I had to re-learn my need to 'assert' from my foundation. This can be turned into an interpersonal drama if one isn't able to " witness " OR it can be expressed simply by getting off one's own back and breaking away from the predictable, whatever that may be. This can take some time and certainly requires TAKING some space. The one single thing that gave me big relief was the set on page 65 of Transitions to a Heart Centered World*. It's called " Clean Lymphatics & Adjust Lower Back " . Absolutely masterful! is all I can say. Yogi Bhajan gift continues to amaze me. This set even addresses that primal need I had to " assert from my foundation " . The whistling at the end is a special treat. Yeah, whistling.....who would've thought about that? The answer to that question is a 'Master'. In Gratitude, Dharam Singh Millis, MA *go/start.cgi/store/shop.html?showprod=P01001 Sujan S. wrote: >Sat Nam! > >A couples of days ago I forced my back to finish a work (moving heavy >loads from a room to another one) and now, as I had to figure out, my >lower back hurts (now it's hard to me to walk in a natural way and to >bend forward). > >My doctor told me to take some Voltaren pills and wait...but I care of >stomach as well of my back so I would ask you all if you know some >good exercise to relax the muscles of my back (now I have the feeling >of a twitch in my lower back), while I keep resting and put on that >area Arnica Oil. > >Any idea will be fine! Thanx in advance. > >Fateh Dharma! > >Sujan S. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 ---- Original Message ---- " D h a r a m " <pranahsaurus <Kundaliniyoga > Wednesday, March 05, 2008 7:09 AM Re: Kundalini Yoga Lower back pain > Sat Nam Sujan Singh, > I'm just now coming out of a very hard week of lower back incapacity > and pain, where my best friends were a heating pad and my > acupuncturist/Chinese herbalist. This has happened a few times over > the years and, at times, have learned a lot about myself from the > pain. This time around I had to re-learn my need to 'assert' from my > foundation. This can be turned into an interpersonal drama if one > isn't able to " witness " OR it can be expressed simply by getting off > one's own back and breaking away from the predictable, whatever that > may be. This can take some time and certainly requires TAKING some > space. Sat Nam! First of all thank to you and all who replied to me....... The hardest job I'm doing (I still didn't recover) is to deal with the subtle issues behind my lower back pain (even my own hurted ego...something as....«...how can be possible to have this kind of pain...me, a kundalini yoga teacher!»). But I'm trying to follow this way to see what I have to learn from this moment......... :-) > The one single thing that gave me big relief was the set on > page 65 > of Transitions to a Heart Centered World*. It's called " Clean > Lymphatics & Adjust Lower Back " . Absolutely masterful! is all I can > say. Yogi Bhajan gift continues to amaze me. For now I'm not able to do such pratices so I'm working especially with mantra, meditations and few light stretching exercises. I suggest everyone the book " Heal yor back now " (Nirvair Singh Khalsa)....absolutely amazing! Fateh Dharma! Sujan Singh http://www.yogajap.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 > «...how can be possible to have this kind of pain...me, a kundalini > yoga teacher!»). > Dear Sujan Singh: You are not the only one! it happened to me at work one day as I read to my left to pick up the phone and pulled a muscle at the level of my shoulder blades. Some back issues have to do with worries, but I am told they tend to occur when the body is somewhat dehydrated. Someone associated with Kundalini Yoga once told me that as soon as a back problem occurs one should drink 4 glasses of water right away. If this is your case, it may not be so embarrassing after all! Blessings, Awtar Singh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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