Guest guest Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 I had seen someone's post which mentioned diet, and I thought I'd share my experience with plant-based and raw foods. It has been integral to my spiritual path, and is currently one of my largest aids or hinderences (when I eat other than living plants). My body has been on a meat-free diet since I was 20 years old in 1993. I had very little illness, colds, or allergies (except for one time when I was under heavy stress I had severe allergies). I moved to an all-plant diet in 1996, and my body started to gain a greater sensitivity to food. I could feel some foods were hard to digest or made my body feel sluggish or 'full' (specifically soy milk). I could feel how juice and especially living fruits and vegetables made me feel more energized and conscious and awake. My sense of taste was also more sensitive, and could taste more subtle flavors. I could easily identify an organic food or a non- organic food by taste alone. It was also more easily apparent how the pH of a food was affecting my body. My body continued to very rarely get sick. I got the flu once and got over it in a few days with no medicine. Around 2006 I started moving to a mostly living (raw) all-plant diet. One unexpected result was having a burn scar fade away within a period of a few months. The scar was from a burn that happened about 20 years earlier, and the scar had been unchanged in that time. Other skin blemishes also faded away over time as my skin in general became more elastic and healthier. (A dog I know had a small skin tumor near his eye, and after being switched to an all-raw all- plant diet, the tumor faded completely in a few weeks.) From other changes I've experienced with an all-living all-plant diet, I believe it can alleviate any physical dis-ease of the body and in many cases, heal them and move back to the growth of health. An all-plant, all living diet also helps with ky and meditation, consciousness in general, psychic sensitivity, and beyond. Just as the body cleanses itself physically of toxins when switching from a standard societal diet, to a healthier diet, I found that the cleansing includes mental and emotional aspects (and spiritual and energetic aspects). It's suggested to go through a gentle transition so the body can detoxify gently, and I would suggest the same gentle process for the non-physical cleansing and attuning. I created www.helpusall.com/foodandhealth.html#BODY a few years ago to explore and detail that an all-plant diet is healthy and has other benefits. The information is helpful to address any doubts about the diet's healthfulness. Sat Nam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 I have a question about the changes you've seen since you have " gone raw " . Do you think you are any less flexible and/or has your range of motion in your joints decreased? Thanks. _____ Kundaliniyoga [Kundaliniyoga ] On Behalf Of J J Friday, August 08, 2008 9:59 PM Kundaliniyoga Kundalini Yoga raw (living) diet I had seen someone's post which mentioned diet, and I thought I'd share my experience with plant-based and raw foods. It has been integral to my spiritual path, and is currently one of my largest aids or hinderences (when I eat other than living plants). My body has been on a meat-free diet since I was 20 years old in 1993. I had very little illness, colds, or allergies (except for one time when I was under heavy stress I had severe allergies). I moved to an all-plant diet in 1996, and my body started to gain a greater sensitivity to food. I could feel some foods were hard to digest or made my body feel sluggish or 'full' (specifically soy milk). I could feel how juice and especially living fruits and vegetables made me feel more energized and conscious and awake. My sense of taste was also more sensitive, and could taste more subtle flavors. I could easily identify an organic food or a non- organic food by taste alone. It was also more easily apparent how the pH of a food was affecting my body. My body continued to very rarely get sick. I got the flu once and got over it in a few days with no medicine. Around 2006 I started moving to a mostly living (raw) all-plant diet. One unexpected result was having a burn scar fade away within a period of a few months. The scar was from a burn that happened about 20 years earlier, and the scar had been unchanged in that time. Other skin blemishes also faded away over time as my skin in general became more elastic and healthier. (A dog I know had a small skin tumor near his eye, and after being switched to an all-raw all- plant diet, the tumor faded completely in a few weeks.) From other changes I've experienced with an all-living all-plant diet, I believe it can alleviate any physical dis-ease of the body and in many cases, heal them and move back to the growth of health. An all-plant, all living diet also helps with ky and meditation, consciousness in general, psychic sensitivity, and beyond. Just as the body cleanses itself physically of toxins when switching from a standard societal diet, to a healthier diet, I found that the cleansing includes mental and emotional aspects (and spiritual and energetic aspects). It's suggested to go through a gentle transition so the body can detoxify gently, and I would suggest the same gentle process for the non-physical cleansing and attuning. I created www.helpusall.com/foodandhealth.html#BODY a few years ago to explore and detail that an all-plant diet is healthy and has other benefits. The information is helpful to address any doubts about the diet's healthfulness. Sat Nam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 yes, its true that having a diet completely free of all articially created elements does have an extremely salutary effect on the human body as a whole, it not only purifies once mind, it also keeps all the bodily functions at the cellular level in commensurate proportions as our body is designed to, but what I believe is that such a diet is taken *merely as a remedy to some of their earlier ailments *and have nothing to do regarding whatsoever to inculcate into making it a daily diet, as we see these days people are increasingly getting addicted to the foods that are prepared completely in a way thats out of natures procedures in manufacturing the good. Perhaps in the childhood or so, one might not always experience such kind of chronic problems, but in their later life they get a whole lot of problems, people are more worried about the life expenctancy, I was quite bamboozled to figure why do a person needs to live for so long, its by no means a necessity. Our bodies are simply the manifestations of illusory consciousness, which we like to preserve for eternity, but why? it has been mentioned in the scriptures that taking a *Sathvika diet, *complete renunciation of all the materialistic goods, we ll be in a state of complete tranquillity undisturbed from all the mad race for glory, name, fame etc. what I believe is yoga these days is seen some kind of hospital-free panacea, rather than cultivating it as a way of life. People resort to God and speak of divinity only when they are in a decrepit state and hardly do we see a person who blindly adheres himself to God, if u can question youself, how many people would like to do things " *UNCONDITIONALLY & IN A DISINTERESTED MANNER " , *detachment has got a whole lot meaning in itself to explore than just uttering out to some one naiver than the speaker. Suffering is nothing more than a manifestation of the denouement of desires that are left unquenched. A couple of things about desire, what exactly is desire?, and why do one go for it ? Having a desire is fine, but getting attached to it is what makes a person pine for it and loses himself inorder to aquire it, he goes to the extent of inordinately or perhaps in an immoral fashion to acquire it, upon acquiring it, he gets attached to it, without which he cant survive, he manifests his joy in the inanimate and lifeless object or perhaps an object with life ( eg, plant, wife, children etc ), thus he gets completely lost. This so called *sarir *is an observable form of life, while the non observable form being the soul. If you can do things without peremptorily comandeering the sitation to get the best of it. Deserving or not deserving is dictated by our karmas, and not through any other thing or person, or witch doctors or some quacks. If the soul has to depart it ll, for inevitable is always indominable with makes us vulnerable to the situation. So lets praise the Eternal and Cosmic embodiment of paramathma for having given this life to reach him... On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 9:10 PM, PamelaP <pamela wrote: > I have a question about the changes you've seen since you have " gone > raw " . > Do you think you are any less flexible and/or has your range of motion in > your joints decreased? Thanks. > > _____ > > Kundaliniyoga <Kundaliniyoga%40>[ > Kundaliniyoga <Kundaliniyoga%40>] > On Behalf Of J J > Friday, August 08, 2008 9:59 PM > Kundaliniyoga <Kundaliniyoga%40> > Kundalini Yoga raw (living) diet > > I had seen someone's post which mentioned diet, and I thought I'd > share my experience with plant-based and raw foods. It has been > integral to my spiritual path, and is currently one of my largest > aids or hinderences (when I eat other than living plants). > > My body has been on a meat-free diet since I was 20 years old in > 1993. I had very little illness, colds, or allergies (except for one > time when I was under heavy stress I had severe allergies). > > I moved to an all-plant diet in 1996, and my body started to gain a > greater sensitivity to food. I could feel some foods were hard to > digest or made my body feel sluggish or 'full' (specifically soy > milk). I could feel how juice and especially living fruits and > vegetables made me feel more energized and conscious and awake. > My sense of taste was also more sensitive, and could taste more > subtle flavors. I could easily identify an organic food or a non- > organic food by taste alone. It was also more easily apparent how > the pH of a food was affecting my body. > My body continued to very rarely get sick. I got the flu once and got > over it in a few days with no medicine. > > Around 2006 I started moving to a mostly living (raw) all-plant > diet. One unexpected result was having a burn scar fade away within > a period of a few months. The scar was from a burn that happened > about 20 years earlier, and the scar had been unchanged in that > time. Other skin blemishes also faded away over time as my skin in > general became more elastic and healthier. (A dog I know had a small > skin tumor near his eye, and after being switched to an all-raw all- > plant diet, the tumor faded completely in a few weeks.) From other > changes I've experienced with an all-living all-plant diet, I believe > it can alleviate any physical dis-ease of the body and in many cases, > heal them and move back to the growth of health. > > An all-plant, all living diet also helps with ky and meditation, > consciousness in general, psychic sensitivity, and beyond. > Just as the body cleanses itself physically of toxins when switching > from a standard societal diet, to a healthier diet, I found that the > cleansing includes mental and emotional aspects (and spiritual and > energetic aspects). It's suggested to go through a gentle transition > so the body can detoxify gently, and I would suggest the same gentle > process for the non-physical cleansing and attuning. > > I created www.helpusall.com/foodandhealth.html#BODY a few years ago > to explore and detail that an all-plant diet is healthy and has other > benefits. The information is helpful to address any doubts about the > diet's healthfulness. > > Sat Nam > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Sat nam J J, it was very interesting to read about your healing experiences with the raw diet. Does it mean you wouldn´t eat food that has been cooked, either? Nothing with warm temperature? Plus you seem to have an organic fruit store nearby? One issue that I miss being addressed in the regards with raw diet (on your webpage) is the difficulty for nowadays professionals to actually live the way you suggest. How would you act in a business meal? And, on your normal working days, would you usually take carrots and apples etc. out of your lunch bag instead of joining your colleagues at the cantine were probably none of the offered foods is up to the standard of simply " raw " ? I´d like to try out the benefits of the raw diet, because being vegan has been very positive so far, but then the fact to insist on " raw only " among people who eat meat and everything processed, does not seem to be a realistic choice for the working days. Best wishes, Alice ______________________________\ ____ MTV Blog & Rock & gt;¡Cuéntanos tu historia, inspira una canción y gánate un viaje a los Premios MTV! Participa aquà http://mtvla./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 I haven't noticed any change in flexibility or range of motion due to the raw (mostly raw) diet itself. Overall, I have more flexibility and range of motion than I used to have on a mostly cooked diet. I think it is because the raw diet gives me more awakefulness, energy, and positive mood and that results in me stretching more often and being more active. After a cooked meal I can be quite flexible, which feels like a sleepy relaxation. After a raw meal I feel more awake and energized and want to push past boundaries more when I stretch or do yoga. Kundaliniyoga , " PamelaP " <pamela wrote: > > I have a question about the changes you've seen since you have " gone raw " . > Do you think you are any less flexible and/or has your range of motion in > your joints decreased? Thanks. > > > _____ > > Kundaliniyoga [Kundaliniyoga ] > On Behalf Of J J > Friday, August 08, 2008 9:59 PM > Kundaliniyoga > Kundalini Yoga raw (living) diet > > > > I had seen someone's post which mentioned diet, and I thought I'd > share my experience with plant-based and raw foods. It has been > integral to my spiritual path, and is currently one of my largest > aids or hinderences (when I eat other than living plants). > > My body has been on a meat-free diet since I was 20 years old in > 1993. I had very little illness, colds, or allergies (except for one > time when I was under heavy stress I had severe allergies). > > I moved to an all-plant diet in 1996, and my body started to gain a > greater sensitivity to food. I could feel some foods were hard to > digest or made my body feel sluggish or 'full' (specifically soy > milk). I could feel how juice and especially living fruits and > vegetables made me feel more energized and conscious and awake. > My sense of taste was also more sensitive, and could taste more > subtle flavors. I could easily identify an organic food or a non- > organic food by taste alone. It was also more easily apparent how > the pH of a food was affecting my body. > My body continued to very rarely get sick. I got the flu once and got > over it in a few days with no medicine. > > Around 2006 I started moving to a mostly living (raw) all-plant > diet. One unexpected result was having a burn scar fade away within > a period of a few months. The scar was from a burn that happened > about 20 years earlier, and the scar had been unchanged in that > time. Other skin blemishes also faded away over time as my skin in > general became more elastic and healthier. (A dog I know had a small > skin tumor near his eye, and after being switched to an all-raw all- > plant diet, the tumor faded completely in a few weeks.) From other > changes I've experienced with an all-living all-plant diet, I believe > it can alleviate any physical dis-ease of the body and in many cases, > heal them and move back to the growth of health. > > An all-plant, all living diet also helps with ky and meditation, > consciousness in general, psychic sensitivity, and beyond. > Just as the body cleanses itself physically of toxins when switching > from a standard societal diet, to a healthier diet, I found that the > cleansing includes mental and emotional aspects (and spiritual and > energetic aspects). It's suggested to go through a gentle transition > so the body can detoxify gently, and I would suggest the same gentle > process for the non-physical cleansing and attuning. > > I created www.helpusall.com/foodandhealth.html#BODY a few years ago > to explore and detail that an all-plant diet is healthy and has other > benefits. The information is helpful to address any doubts about the > diet's healthfulness. > > Sat Nam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Sat Nam Alice, You bring up important points on living on a raw diet, while in mainstream eateries. One option is to eat as best you can while at a business lunch, etc, and eat your ideal diet when at home. Some resturants might allow you to bring in your own food, or they might have salads available? Or some raw food could be eaten before or after eating at the cantine possibly. ...I think this is something individual though, what our purpose is and what we are learning. I found the 'rules' of diet became easier when I stopped trying to establish rules, and instead focused on developing a better sensitivity to what my body and intuition was telling me. But back to the social world.. on the website, the last page has a link to forums.. that's a good place to hear about others' experiences with adjusting to a plant or raw diet socially. http://helpusall.com/vegforums.html If you live outside the States, it can help to google for a raw forum for your specific country. I'm moving towards an all raw (living), all plant, all organic diet. Also mostly from fruit and vegetable juice, with a small amount of solid food. I went on a juice fast for 3 weeks a while ago, drinking only pastuerized juice. I dropped all my excess body fat in that time, increased my jogging stamina by 600%+, added muscle, and felt much more awake and aware. My nasal passages and throat got clear and my breathing was easier. The changes were astounding really. Ideally the juice would be organic and raw (not pastuerized). But you do the best with what is available. Ideally the food (and juice) would not be cooked, or heated past 100*F or so. Here's a reason why.. If a seed is put outside, it sprouts and processes sunlight and elements and produces green, energy, and extends into the living circle (producing nuts, fruits, pollen, etc - it increases in vibration). If that same seed is cooked and then put outside it will rot and mold, and become source material (dead - decreases in vibration). There is some fundamental change caused by cooking. And which seems beter to put into our bodies. Though seeds can be heated gently and still hold life, so a raw meal can still be warm. Spices can help add more 'warmth' also during cold weather. Yes, around me there are several stores with organic fresh foods. If these aren't available near you, another option could be fresh sprouts. Many websites mail sprouting seeds, they're relatively inexpensive, fresh, can be gotten organic. There's a sprouter by " sproutamo " that makes sprouting very easy to do, taking about 2 minutes of work and 4 days to get 3 cups of fresh sprouts. The most energizing and clarifying food I've ever had was fresh organic filtered sprout juice (home made sprouts and juiced at home also). Kundaliniyoga , Alice <meraldis wrote: > > Sat nam J J, > it was very interesting to read about your healing experiences with the raw diet. > > Does it mean you wouldn´t eat food that has been cooked, either? Nothing with warm temperature? Plus you seem to have an organic fruit store nearby? > > One issue that I miss being addressed in the regards with raw diet (on your webpage) is the difficulty for nowadays professionals to actually live the way you suggest. How would you act in a business meal? And, on your normal working days, would you usually take carrots and apples etc. out of your lunch bag instead of joining your colleagues at the cantine were probably none of the offered foods is up to the standard of simply " raw " ? > > I´d like to try out the benefits of the raw diet, because being vegan has been very positive so far, but then the fact to insist on " raw only " among people who eat meat and everything processed, does not seem to be a realistic choice for the working days. > > Best wishes, > Alice > > > ____________________ ______________ > MTV Blog & Rock & gt;¡Cuéntanos tu historia, inspira una canción y gánate un viaje a los Premios MTV! Participa aquà http://mtvla./ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Sat nam J J, thank you very much for your reply. Your mentioning of the benefits of the organic raw juice diet is very interesting, certainly also to many on the forum. Yet, you say something utmost important: " ..this is something individual though, what our purpose is and what we are learning " . As for the benefits, I´d start any day with the juicing, but I remember too well the experience of an ad hoc cleansing of my body that occurred all by itself after my visit to India. To make a long story short, I lost my appetite during one month, during which I had to force myself to eat (I had a sack of potatoes at home and ate hardly one potatoe per day), drank a lot of tea, and lived on vitamine supplements. Perhaps it was a virus because the smallest bite of solid food flushed immediately out of the body, it didn´t keep anything solid. To me it felt like a purification process that had me at the same time in deep feelings about my upcoming future and moves in the world. ... so all that had perhaps the effect of a " raw juice diet " because I lost every tiny fat bulk, edema, whatsoever and sparkled with health during the next two months, till the body started to " retain " again the solid foods. However: since then it seems that my metabolism is changed and when I had to eat normal - at the office etc. - I gained weight that is now hard to rid myself of, weight that other people don´t put on when they stick to meals with more calories and including meat. So there is where your observation about " one´s purpose " comes in, nearly as a warning. It seems, from the reports I read on the internet, that for example the raw juice diet will improve the body´s function so much that afterwards the person has practically a " different " on a molecular level. It´ll be a purified body with a strong reaction to any backstepping to normal, unhealthy foods. It could therefore mean that if one had to eat one or two meals per day in a social surrounding that would not easily tolerate individual changes to the prescribed menu plan, this person would be condemned to suffering consequences such as unproportional weight gain and, of course, energy depletion from these foods. So that´s where I´ve become really thoughtful about how our life purpose might put us into a situation where chosing the right thing (such as a very healthy diet) is not part of the path that we can walk. It might offend (the ignorance of) people who we are bound to interact with. I know I adapted as much as I could to the foods served in the office (fried stuff, food from conserves, food with plenty of artificial colors and enhancers, trans-oils etc), and to people around it was still inconceivable how someone would discard the dishes with meat, questioning if something was " wrong " . On a positive note, a friend of mine was able to cure her sight from eating huge quantities of raw, fresh carrots. Apparently the cortenoids of the carrots restablished her sight to normal. Several eye doctors who I´ve asked if eating carrots could help, denied it could do any particular good to the eyes. - In any case, fact is she did, she had had 6 diptries and could drop the glasses and that benefit has lasted till now. Yet, after she stopped with the raw foods she gained a lot of weight. So, perhaps as a precaution, before starting with such a healthy diet, one needs to know about one´s future. If someone knows that one day she´ll have to be back in society for some professional or whatever reasons, it might be a better favor to oneself to find out about getting the best out of the raw diet without purifying yet the body profoundly. I´m already thinking how to integrate more raw food into my diet. Best wishes, Alice ----- Mensaje original ---- De: J J <jongeneral Para: Kundaliniyoga Enviado: miércoles, 13 de agosto, 2008 14:39:10 Asunto: Kundalini Yoga Re: raw (living) diet Sat Nam Alice, You bring up important points on living on a raw diet, while in mainstream eateries. One option is to eat as best you can while at a business lunch, etc, and eat your ideal diet when at home. Some resturants might allow you to bring in your own food, or they might have salads available? Or some raw food could be eaten before or after eating at the cantine possibly. ...I think this is something individual though, what our purpose is and what we are learning. I found the 'rules' of diet became easier when I stopped trying to establish rules, and instead focused on developing a better sensitivity to what my body and intuition was telling me. But back to the social world.. on the website, the last page has a link to forums.. that's a good place to hear about others' experiences with adjusting to a plant or raw diet socially. http://helpusall. com/vegforums. html If you live outside the States, it can help to google for a raw forum for your specific country. I'm moving towards an all raw (living), all plant, all organic diet. Also mostly from fruit and vegetable juice, with a small amount of solid food. I went on a juice fast for 3 weeks a while ago, drinking only pastuerized juice. I dropped all my excess body fat in that time, increased my jogging stamina by 600%+, added muscle, and felt much more awake and aware. My nasal passages and throat got clear and my breathing was easier. The changes were astounding really. Ideally the juice would be organic and raw (not pastuerized) . But you do the best with what is available. Ideally the food (and juice) would not be cooked, or heated past 100*F or so. Here's a reason why.. If a seed is put outside, it sprouts and processes sunlight and elements and produces green, energy, and extends into the living circle (producing nuts, fruits, pollen, etc - it increases in vibration). If that same seed is cooked and then put outside it will rot and mold, and become source material (dead - decreases in vibration). There is some fundamental change caused by cooking.. And which seems beter to put into our bodies. Though seeds can be heated gently and still hold life, so a raw meal can still be warm. Spices can help add more 'warmth' also during cold weather. Yes, around me there are several stores with organic fresh foods. If these aren't available near you, another option could be fresh sprouts. Many websites mail sprouting seeds, they're relatively inexpensive, fresh, can be gotten organic. There's a sprouter by " sproutamo " that makes sprouting very easy to do, taking about 2 minutes of work and 4 days to get 3 cups of fresh sprouts. The most energizing and clarifying food I've ever had was fresh organic filtered sprout juice (home made sprouts and juiced at home also). Kundaliniyoga, Alice <meraldis@.. .> wrote: > > Sat nam J J, > it was very interesting to read about your healing experiences with the raw diet. > > Does it mean you wouldn´t eat food that has been cooked, either? Nothing with warm temperature? Plus you seem to have an organic fruit store nearby? > > One issue that I miss being addressed in the regards with raw diet (on your webpage) is the difficulty for nowadays professionals to actually live the way you suggest. How would you act in a business meal? And, on your normal working days, would you usually take carrots and apples etc. out of your lunch bag instead of joining your colleagues at the cantine were probably none of the offered foods is up to the standard of simply " raw " ? > > I´d like to try out the benefits of the raw diet, because being vegan has been very positive so far, but then the fact to insist on " raw only " among people who eat meat and everything processed, does not seem to be a realistic choice for the working days. > > Best wishes, > Alice > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ ____________ __ > MTV Blog & Rock & gt;¡Cuéntanos tu historia, inspira una canción y gánate un viaje a los Premios MTV! Participa aquàhttp://mtvla. / > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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