Guest guest Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 Sat Nam, my dear friends, I need your help badly right now. In the last month I went through a platonic love relationships of the highest intensity. I felt very much attracted to this beautiful man with whom perfect divine union seemed possible. However, in my meditations I could see this as a very old past life relationship where one of us (most likely me but maybe him) was hurt bad in the trials of love, even thou the perfect union has happened and it's memory was retained. I was afraid, and sometimes wanted him so much, while at other times I would do long meditations, lot of breath of fire and played Pavan Guru to move faster (?). Things moved so fast the relationship is over before beginning on a physical plan. He is back to his girlfriend, with whom he split few months before all this started, and I miss him so much I could hardly live. I have been divorced for few years now, and not involved with anybody since the betrayal (?) of my husband of more then 10 years. Since then, by daily practice of kundalini yoga I regain my trust, my love for the world and I managed to gracefully take care of my little daughter and myself. I even became a kundalini yoga teacher, thou I may not sound like one right now. I know things happened this way for a reason, and I should be at peace. However I hurt very bad. I just miss this lover so much, my heart is in pain. This man is an artist, and had multiple relationships in his life, and I am somehow glad he got back to a girlfriend that seems to have been his longest relationship, thou I feel it may not last, again.. I feel our talking without ego about love helped him understand it better and try to go for it where he perceived he could find it. Tell me please, did I make a mistake by pulling/pushing him away and not allowing myself to have the beautiful merger I experienced ages ago? Is there anything you would recommend me to do for this horrible pain in my heart to go away, or for setting things right in case I played with my world and lead it astray? Dust of your feet, Prem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 Prem: Your pain is felt with all intensity. We all have, one moment or another, had similar sentiments. I am sure you will receive wonderful and full of loving advise from this group and your close friends. I can only provide a very brief advise. Contemplate on it, if of no use, you may discard it. But if it helps you a little bit, your Heart will tell. Your Heart led your Mind. You moved in the right direction. Now, your Mind is trying to lead your Heart. It is your Mind that is trying to use Mantra and Meditation (even Pavan Guru) for its intention. The tools left by the Yogis and Rishis are for Divine Union. This Union is within ourselves. And as householders, though the Love for Humanity. The Soulmante is within. " Nanak! all the world is teeped in pain, Happy are those, whom doth Nam sustain. " Prem, let your Heart take over again and lead your life. Sat Nam José --- On Sat, 11/15/08, Toni Tosa <antonela.tosa wrote: Toni Tosa <antonela.tosa Kundalini Yoga question about love Kundaliniyoga Saturday, November 15, 2008, 2:32 PM Sat Nam, my dear friends, I need your help badly right now. In the last month I went through a platonic love relationships of the highest intensity. I felt very much attracted to this beautiful man with whom perfect divine union seemed possible. However, in my meditations I could see this as a very old past life relationship where one of us (most likely me but maybe him) was hurt bad in the trials of love, even thou the perfect union has happened and it's memory was retained. I was afraid, and sometimes wanted him so much, while at other times I would do long meditations, lot of breath of fire and played Pavan Guru to move faster (?). Things moved so fast the relationship is over before beginning on a physical plan. He is back to his girlfriend, with whom he split few months before all this started, and I miss him so much I could hardly live. I have been divorced for few years now, and not involved with anybody since the betrayal (?) of my husband of more then 10 years. Since then, by daily practice of kundalini yoga I regain my trust, my love for the world and I managed to gracefully take care of my little daughter and myself. I even became a kundalini yoga teacher, thou I may not sound like one right now. I know things happened this way for a reason, and I should be at peace. However I hurt very bad. I just miss this lover so much, my heart is in pain. This man is an artist, and had multiple relationships in his life, and I am somehow glad he got back to a girlfriend that seems to have been his longest relationship, thou I feel it may not last, again.. I feel our talking without ego about love helped him understand it better and try to go for it where he perceived he could find it. Tell me please, did I make a mistake by pulling/pushing him away and not allowing myself to have the beautiful merger I experienced ages ago? Is there anything you would recommend me to do for this horrible pain in my heart to go away, or for setting things right in case I played with my world and lead it astray? Dust of your feet, Prem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 Sat Nam, Jose, Your advice is very wise... Thank you for taking the time to respond. Dust of your feet, Prem --- On Sun, 11/16/08, jose rodriguez <rocketrodz wrote: jose rodriguez <rocketrodz Re: Kundalini Yoga question about love Kundaliniyoga Sunday, November 16, 2008, 8:58 AM Prem: Your pain is felt with all intensity. We all have, one moment or another, had similar sentiments. I am sure you will receive wonderful and full of loving advise from this group and your close friends. I can only provide a very brief advise. Contemplate on it, if of no use, you may discard it. But if it helps you a little bit, your Heart will tell. Your Heart led your Mind. You moved in the right direction. Now, your Mind is trying to lead your Heart. It is your Mind that is trying to use Mantra and Meditation (even Pavan Guru) for its intention. The tools left by the Yogis and Rishis are for Divine Union. This Union is within ourselves. And as householders, though the Love for Humanity. The Soulmante is within. " Nanak! all the world is teeped in pain, Happy are those, whom doth Nam sustain. " Prem, let your Heart take over again and lead your life. Sat Nam José --- On Sat, 11/15/08, Toni Tosa <antonela.tosa@ > wrote: Toni Tosa <antonela.tosa@ > Kundalini Yoga question about love Kundaliniyoga Saturday, November 15, 2008, 2:32 PM Sat Nam, my dear friends, I need your help badly right now. In the last month I went through a platonic love relationships of the highest intensity. I felt very much attracted to this beautiful man with whom perfect divine union seemed possible. However, in my meditations I could see this as a very old past life relationship where one of us (most likely me but maybe him) was hurt bad in the trials of love, even thou the perfect union has happened and it's memory was retained. I was afraid, and sometimes wanted him so much, while at other times I would do long meditations, lot of breath of fire and played Pavan Guru to move faster (?). Things moved so fast the relationship is over before beginning on a physical plan. He is back to his girlfriend, with whom he split few months before all this started, and I miss him so much I could hardly live. I have been divorced for few years now, and not involved with anybody since the betrayal (?) of my husband of more then 10 years. Since then, by daily practice of kundalini yoga I regain my trust, my love for the world and I managed to gracefully take care of my little daughter and myself. I even became a kundalini yoga teacher, thou I may not sound like one right now. I know things happened this way for a reason, and I should be at peace. However I hurt very bad. I just miss this lover so much, my heart is in pain. This man is an artist, and had multiple relationships in his life, and I am somehow glad he got back to a girlfriend that seems to have been his longest relationship, thou I feel it may not last, again... I feel our talking without ego about love helped him understand it better and try to go for it where he perceived he could find it. Tell me please, did I make a mistake by pulling/pushing him away and not allowing myself to have the beautiful merger I experienced ages ago? Is there anything you would recommend me to do for this horrible pain in my heart to go away, or for setting things right in case I played with my world and lead it astray? Dust of your feet, Prem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Hi there How beautiful and all the emotions in the contents of the mail sent me to tears as I feel some of my pain described in words. I am very much in a similar situation with the person i have connected with but when he gets any inclimation that I will raise it with him, he simply sends me packing away. We both have such strong connection. He thinks it will be difficult for the relationship to survive as we work in the similar field of work -with some contact throught work ( him a psychologist and self a case manger) We are both going through a spiritual journey with a same values and we both know that we can grow together. I am too scard to express my feelings to him cos of the fear of rejection. I have lived with this feelings for 3 yrs and hate it becaue it is so consuming. Any suggestions of how to deal with it or what I should do? You advice will be very much appreciated. namaste and Sat nam, Rina >>> Toni Tosa <antonela.tosa 17/11/2008 8:34 >>> Sat Nam, Jose, Your advice is very wise... Thank you for taking the time to respond. Dust of your feet, Prem --- On Sun, 11/16/08, jose rodriguez <rocketrodz ( rocketrodz%40 )> wrote: jose rodriguez <rocketrodz ( rocketrodz%40 )> Re: Kundalini Yoga question about love Kundaliniyoga ( Kundaliniyoga%40 ) Sunday, November 16, 2008, 8:58 AM Prem: Your pain is felt with all intensity. We all have, one moment or another, had similar sentiments. I am sure you will receive wonderful and full of loving advise from this group and your close friends. I can only provide a very brief advise. Contemplate on it, if of no use, you may discard it. But if it helps you a little bit, your Heart will tell. Your Heart led your Mind. You moved in the right direction. Now, your Mind is trying to lead your Heart. It is your Mind that is trying to use Mantra and Meditation (even Pavan Guru) for its intention. The tools left by the Yogis and Rishis are for Divine Union. This Union is within ourselves. And as householders, though the Love for Humanity. The Soulmante is within. " Nanak! all the world is teeped in pain, Happy are those, whom doth Nam sustain. " Prem, let your Heart take over again and lead your life. Sat Nam José --- On Sat, 11/15/08, Toni Tosa <antonela.tosa@ > wrote: Toni Tosa <antonela.tosa@ > Kundalini Yoga question about love Kundaliniyoga Saturday, November 15, 2008, 2:32 PM Sat Nam, my dear friends, I need your help badly right now. In the last month I went through a platonic love relationships of the highest intensity. I felt very much attracted to this beautiful man with whom perfect divine union seemed possible. However, in my meditations I could see this as a very old past life relationship where one of us (most likely me but maybe him) was hurt bad in the trials of love, even thou the perfect union has happened and it's memory was retained. I was afraid, and sometimes wanted him so much, while at other times I would do long meditations, lot of breath of fire and played Pavan Guru to move faster (?). Things moved so fast the relationship is over before beginning on a physical plan. He is back to his girlfriend, with whom he split few months before all this started, and I miss him so much I could hardly live. I have been divorced for few years now, and not involved with anybody since the betrayal (?) of my husband of more then 10 years. Since then, by daily practice of kundalini yoga I regain my trust, my love for the world and I managed to gracefully take care of my little daughter and myself. I even became a kundalini yoga teacher, thou I may not sound like one right now. I know things happened this way for a reason, and I should be at peace. However I hurt very bad. I just miss this lover so much, my heart is in pain. This man is an artist, and had multiple relationships in his life, and I am somehow glad he got back to a girlfriend that seems to have been his longest relationship, thou I feel it may not last, again... I feel our talking without ego about love helped him understand it better and try to go for it where he perceived he could find it. Tell me please, did I make a mistake by pulling/pushing him away and not allowing myself to have the beautiful merger I experienced ages ago? Is there anything you would recommend me to do for this horrible pain in my heart to go away, or for setting things right in case I played with my world and lead it astray? Dust of your feet, Prem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Thank you Jose that was a rare insight for the aware that at times, being human, become unaware I led with my heart, I felt pain at the realization of the crudeness of an intimate offering Then, and I do meant THEN, then mind began to lead and everything went haywire There is another component some who have practiced KY and have meditated for a few years have some skill, have no space for impatience with others, progress, and circumstances. As soon as impatience or anger comes into the feelings/mind all the flow is stopped A merry go round of opinions and self judgements spill over on the world of love and compassion And even this is a judgement:} and there must be some compassion for even impatience and anger Circles Circle the monkey mind Time to still the Circle with a set SAT NAM --- Received: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:26:24 PM PST Toni Tosa <antonela.tosa Kundaliniyoga Re: Kundalini Yoga question about love Sat Nam, Jose, Your advice is very wise... Thank you for taking the time to respond. Dust of your feet, Prem --- On Sun, 11/16/08, jose rodriguez <rocketrodz wrote: jose rodriguez <rocketrodz Re: Kundalini Yoga question about love Kundaliniyoga Sunday, November 16, 2008, 8:58 AM Prem: Your pain is felt with all intensity. We all have, one moment or another, had similar sentiments. I am sure you will receive wonderful and full of loving advise from this group and your close friends. I can only provide a very brief advise. Contemplate on it, if of no use, you may discard it. But if it helps you a little bit, your Heart will tell. Your Heart led your Mind. You moved in the right direction. Now, your Mind is trying to lead your Heart. It is your Mind that is trying to use Mantra and Meditation (even Pavan Guru) for its intention. The tools left by the Yogis and Rishis are for Divine Union. This Union is within ourselves. And as householders, though the Love for Humanity. The Soulmante is within. " Nanak! all the world is teeped in pain, Happy are those, whom doth Nam sustain. " Prem, let your Heart take over again and lead your life. Sat Nam José --- On Sat, 11/15/08, Toni Tosa <antonela.tosa@ > wrote: Toni Tosa <antonela.tosa@ > Kundalini Yoga question about love Kundaliniyoga Saturday, November 15, 2008, 2:32 PM Sat Nam, my dear friends, I need your help badly right now. In the last month I went through a platonic love relationships of the highest intensity. I felt very much attracted to this beautiful man with whom perfect divine union seemed possible. However, in my meditations I could see this as a very old past life relationship where one of us (most likely me but maybe him) was hurt bad in the trials of love, even thou the perfect union has happened and it's memory was retained. I was afraid, and sometimes wanted him so much, while at other times I would do long meditations, lot of breath of fire and played Pavan Guru to move faster (?). Things moved so fast the relationship is over before beginning on a physical plan. He is back to his girlfriend, with whom he split few months before all this started, and I miss him so much I could hardly live. I have been divorced for few years now, and not involved with anybody since the betrayal (?) of my husband of more then 10 years. Since then, by daily practice of kundalini yoga I regain my trust, my love for the world and I managed to gracefully take care of my little daughter and myself. I even became a kundalini yoga teacher, thou I may not sound like one right now. I know things happened this way for a reason, and I should be at peace. However I hurt very bad. I just miss this lover so much, my heart is in pain. This man is an artist, and had multiple relationships in his life, and I am somehow glad he got back to a girlfriend that seems to have been his longest relationship, thou I feel it may not last, again... I feel our talking without ego about love helped him understand it better and try to go for it where he perceived he could find it. Tell me please, did I make a mistake by pulling/pushing him away and not allowing myself to have the beautiful merger I experienced ages ago? Is there anything you would recommend me to do for this horrible pain in my heart to go away, or for setting things right in case I played with my world and lead it astray? Dust of your feet, Prem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Dear Prem, Auric pain is very intense. The antidote given by Yogi Bhajan is Kirtan Kriya. Do this for 40 days for 31 minutes and the pain will go away. Trust yourself that you did the right thing. And trust that you have been guided by your soul to do what was most appropriate for you. Lack of self-trust creates much unnecessary pain. Cultivate your neutral mind and learn to stay there. Our neutral channel balances the emotions. In neutral we can be non-judgmental. That is very freeing. I am preparing a class for Guru Rattana on-line streaming video classes on this topic of learning how to love. In the meantime there are plenty of others now on-line on the neutral mind that can help you move into the space of love without evaluation or opinion. Now that is freedom. Many blessings, Guru Rattana :+) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Sat Nam, my dear friends, Thank you for all your responses! I am a new teacher, graduate of 2008, and practice KY every day for only a little more than one year. The advice of those more advanced was so helpful! The last two days were as intense as as the previous month, which felt like a year! I think my lesson to learn was stay with the pain, do not resist it, embrace it until it becomes peace. Do not react, accept, love and live on... However knowing that I have a support group made a huge difference!!! Now, I am thinking the relationship with this man is of a different nature..... After teacher training I lost most of my friends and isolation settled in. Now, different kind of people start approaching me. This man is one of them. We manged to gracefully remain friends, and I am open to see what is, in fact, the meaning of this connection. Peace, prosperity and love to you all, Dust of your feet, Prem --- On Sun, 11/16/08, BaBaGee <JoanLockwood wrote: BaBaGee <JoanLockwood Re: Kundalini Yoga question about love Kundaliniyoga Sunday, November 16, 2008, 5:50 PM Thank you Jose that was a rare insight for the aware that at times, being human, become unaware I led with my heart, I felt pain at the realization of the crudeness of an intimate offering Then, and I do meant THEN, then mind began to lead and everything went haywire There is another component some who have practiced KY and have meditated for a few years have some skill, have no space for impatience with others, progress, and circumstances. As soon as impatience or anger comes into the feelings/mind all the flow is stopped A merry go round of opinions and self judgements spill over on the world of love and compassion And even this is a judgement:} and there must be some compassion for even impatience and anger Circles Circle the monkey mind Time to still the Circle with a set SAT NAM --- Received: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:26:24 PM PST Toni Tosa <antonela.tosa@ > Kundaliniyoga Re: Kundalini Yoga question about love Sat Nam, Jose, Your advice is very wise... Thank you for taking the time to respond. Dust of your feet, Prem --- On Sun, 11/16/08, jose rodriguez <rocketrodz > wrote: jose rodriguez <rocketrodz > Re: Kundalini Yoga question about love Kundaliniyoga Sunday, November 16, 2008, 8:58 AM Prem: Your pain is felt with all intensity. We all have, one moment or another, had similar sentiments. I am sure you will receive wonderful and full of loving advise from this group and your close friends. I can only provide a very brief advise. Contemplate on it, if of no use, you may discard it. But if it helps you a little bit, your Heart will tell. Your Heart led your Mind. You moved in the right direction. Now, your Mind is trying to lead your Heart. It is your Mind that is trying to use Mantra and Meditation (even Pavan Guru) for its intention. The tools left by the Yogis and Rishis are for Divine Union. This Union is within ourselves. And as householders, though the Love for Humanity. The Soulmante is within. " Nanak! all the world is teeped in pain, Happy are those, whom doth Nam sustain. " Prem, let your Heart take over again and lead your life. Sat Nam José --- On Sat, 11/15/08, Toni Tosa <antonela.tosa@ > wrote: Toni Tosa <antonela.tosa@ > Kundalini Yoga question about love Kundaliniyoga Saturday, November 15, 2008, 2:32 PM Sat Nam, my dear friends, I need your help badly right now. In the last month I went through a platonic love relationships of the highest intensity. I felt very much attracted to this beautiful man with whom perfect divine union seemed possible. However, in my meditations I could see this as a very old past life relationship where one of us (most likely me but maybe him) was hurt bad in the trials of love, even thou the perfect union has happened and it's memory was retained. I was afraid, and sometimes wanted him so much, while at other times I would do long meditations, lot of breath of fire and played Pavan Guru to move faster (?).. Things moved so fast the relationship is over before beginning on a physical plan. He is back to his girlfriend, with whom he split few months before all this started, and I miss him so much I could hardly live. I have been divorced for few years now, and not involved with anybody since the betrayal (?) of my husband of more then 10 years. Since then, by daily practice of kundalini yoga I regain my trust, my love for the world and I managed to gracefully take care of my little daughter and myself. I even became a kundalini yoga teacher, thou I may not sound like one right now. I know things happened this way for a reason, and I should be at peace. However I hurt very bad. I just miss this lover so much, my heart is in pain. This man is an artist, and had multiple relationships in his life, and I am somehow glad he got back to a girlfriend that seems to have been his longest relationship, thou I feel it may not last, again... I feel our talking without ego about love helped him understand it better and try to go for it where he perceived he could find it. Tell me please, did I make a mistake by pulling/pushing him away and not allowing myself to have the beautiful merger I experienced ages ago? Is there anything you would recommend me to do for this horrible pain in my heart to go away, or for setting things right in case I played with my world and lead it astray? Dust of your feet, Prem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Sat Nam, dear Guru Rattana, The Kirtan Kriya works! I added it at the end of my morning routine which also contains the prosperity meditation with the four Har spoken out loud and then whispered, and the Pituitary series set. I already feel a change after only 4 days... I know it will take more than this , however I fell you guided me in the right directions, and help me work through an interesting block (still working… I use your books since I first started KY, and I love them. I am looking forward to your streaming video classes on learning how to love. So many of us need it! Thank you for your guidance and compassion. May you be blessed with the courage and wisdom to guide all those coming to you with the same grace, compassion, and love you had for me now. Dust of your feet, Prem Siri Kaur --- On Sun, 11/16/08, Guru Rattana <gururattan wrote: Guru Rattana <gururattan Re: Kundalini Yoga question about love Kundaliniyoga Sunday, November 16, 2008, 8:41 PM Dear Prem, Auric pain is very intense. The antidote given by Yogi Bhajan is Kirtan Kriya. Do this for 40 days for 31 minutes and the pain will go away. Trust yourself that you did the right thing. And trust that you have been guided by your soul to do what was most appropriate for you. Lack of self-trust creates much unnecessary pain. Cultivate your neutral mind and learn to stay there. Our neutral channel balances the emotions. In neutral we can be non-judgmental. That is very freeing. I am preparing a class for Guru Rattana on-line streaming video classes on this topic of learning how to love. In the meantime there are plenty of others now on-line on the neutral mind that can help you move into the space of love without evaluation or opinion. Now that is freedom. Many blessings, Guru Rattana :+) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Dear Prem Siri Kaur, * Sat Nam! Thank you so much for your email. The Kirtan Kriya works! I already feel a change after only 4 days. * This is great news that you experienced a shift in only 4 days. Somehow that intial shift propells us in the right direction and we are inspired to keep going. ... I know it will take more than this , however I fell you guided me in the right directions, and help me work through an interesting block (still working. * We are always still working on our life lessons. :+) Isn't it great to become more and more conscious of what we are doing? I use your books since I first started KY, and I love them. :+) I am looking forward to your streaming video classes on learning how to love. So many of us need it! * We filmed this class last week and will film the second part this week. In the meantime begin with the Lesson " Resolving Libra's Internal Paradox " The link to Guru Rattana On-Line is at the top of www.yogatech.com *This class starts with the neutral mind and works down the chakras to integrate the non-judgmental energy of the neutral mind into the heart and the body. *Being able to access and maintain a connection with our neutral mind and heart is the key to the art of loving. * And just so you (and everyone else) knows -- Our base is a strong connection with our neutral mind. The stronger the connection, the more you will experience the supportive energy of in your neutral/Divine/soul channel. This expereince will make you will feel whole, complete, satisfied and content within. *As you develop a stable internal base in your neutral channel, the whole nature of your relationships will shift. This is because you have within yourself what you have been searching for outside ourself. >Thank you for your guidance and compassion. May you be blessed with the >courage and wisdom to guide all those coming to you with the same grace, >compassion, and love you had for me now. * Thank you for this prayer :+) Many blessings, Guru Rattana :+) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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