Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 I too have read some of these alarming posts and was very troubled by them, However It is difficult not to notice just how many movements and leaders have been implicated by these websites that specialize in " cult-watching " . One of the most famous " cults " in history is Christianity. Whenever something new comes along it is labelled by the powers that be and often the leadership of the group comes to a difficult end. Yogi Bhajan was honored by the United Nations as well as the United States Congress and was on wonderful terms with many statesmen and politicians as well as many famous Indian yogis who followed different paths, The technology speaks for itself with remarkable results for thousands of people. Since he is no longer in his body we do not have to worry about becoming immersed in this " cult of personality " and can instead savor the changes that a dedicated sadhana can produce within us from in an objective way. Don't let negative press keep you from enjoying this process, Yogi Bhajan always said " don't love me, love the teachings " . I think that is great advice. Hope this helps a bit! Jane Bentley --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Sacha <nanamin wrote: Sacha <nanamin Kundalini Yoga Yogi Bhajan and 3HO in the early 70s Kundaliniyoga Thursday, March 19, 2009, 11:36 AM Hi all, I was always very interested in Yogi Bhajan because of the amazing things I have heard about him from my KY teachers. He seemed to be a great source of spiritual knowledge. In my research in an effort to get as close to his teachings as possible, I came across something concerning however (and I bring this up in only the utmost respect to gather opinions on it). There seems to be a number of court records, legal documents, etc as well as statements from a very large number of 3HO members over the years documenting alleged emotional, physical, and sexual abuse of members of Yogi Bhajan's inner circle by YB himself. Similarly, there are entire websites dedicated to ex-3HO members to talk about their experience in it as a " cult " (may of whom were members for 20 years before coming to the conclusion that it was a cult of personality and then leaving). The number of members and posts on these websites and the amount of time they've been posting (and the court documents) seem to suggest that it's more than a mere person or few people with a grudge/grudges that are out to slander someone (there are THOUSANDS of long detailed posts of people who seem traumatized) . Once again, I don't bring this up to offend anyone, I'm just concerned as I've been practicing KY for a while now and am *loving* it, but I don't know if I could continue to practice something inseparable (since he allegedly revealed it to the public and quite possibly invented it as a synthesis from other yogas -- and nobody else is teaching it in any other form that I'm aware of) from someone who -may- have been an abusive cult leader. Any evidence to the contrary or insights would be appreciative, since I'm somewhat heart-broken over this. And yes I realize that you could type anything in with the word " cult " probably and find *something*, but this seems to be considered " well known " information online and is coming from some reliable sources in some instances. Would definitely be interested in hearing from Guru Rattana (in addition to anyone else) as I hear she had some interaction with Yogi Bhajan and I believe thinks highly of him. Who better to inform me? :-) Thanks all, and once again I really don't mean any offense and I hope nobody misunderstands my intentions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 there are words that i live by, whether it pertains to experience with yogi gi, or with the experience of kundalini yoga itself........... " ye shall KNOW the truth; and the truth will set you free " i live by this..go inside yourself and find YOUR truth........everything else DOES not matter.i never had the pleasure of meeting the man; but his words ring TRUTH for me. namaste. Julie MODERATOR: please, no more posts on this thread, the list owners have decided to end it. Please see Guru Rattana's last post. Further messages replying to this thread will not be posted. Blessings from the Board owners and moderators --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Linda Callanan <annaicenter wrote: Linda Callanan <annaicenter Re: Kundalini Yoga Yogi Bhajan and 3HO in the early 70s Kundaliniyoga Thursday, March 19, 2009, 4:13 PM Hi Sacha, I've seen some of these postings, also had the good fortune to meet with Yogi Bhajan a few times and have been practicing Kundalini Yoga for over 15 years. This information does not match either my experience with Yogi Bhajan or the truth of the teachings themselves. When one meets a 3HO teacher one sees the strength and energy of these teachers. When one meets someone who is part of a cult one does not see strength, energy or clarity in the followers. What is interesting to me is the long list of yogis who have had the same charges leveled at them: Osho, Gurumayi, Swami Muktananda, Govindan, Nityananda, Swami Satchinananda, Maharashi Yogi, Yogiar....only one--Amrit Desai was proven to act in such a manner--he confessed. Somehow, it seems irrational to me that Yogi Bhajan and all of the others did the exact same things to their followers. Finally, the truth lies in the teachings--if they help you get strong and help you to discover your true self it seems to me that should be your criteria. All the best, Deva Kaur (Linda) " Life and living is a flow, and if we accept that flow and get into that flow, life can be tremendously simple. " Ramesh S. Balsehar - Sacha Kundaliniyoga Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:36 AM Kundalini Yoga Yogi Bhajan and 3HO in the early 70s Hi all, I was always very interested in Yogi Bhajan because of the amazing things I have heard about him from my KY teachers. He seemed to be a great source of spiritual knowledge. In my research in an effort to get as close to his teachings as possible, I came across something concerning however (and I bring this up in only the utmost respect to gather opinions on it). There seems to be a number of court records, legal documents, etc as well as statements from a very large number of 3HO members over the years documenting alleged emotional, physical, and sexual abuse of members of Yogi Bhajan's inner circle by YB himself. Similarly, there are entire websites dedicated to ex-3HO members to talk about their experience in it as a " cult " (may of whom were members for 20 years before coming to the conclusion that it was a cult of personality and then leaving). The number of members and posts on these websites and the amount of time they've been posting (and the court documents) seem to suggest that it's more than a mere person or few people with a grudge/grudges that are out to slander someone (there are THOUSANDS of long detailed posts of people who seem traumatized) . Once again, I don't bring this up to offend anyone, I'm just concerned as I've been practicing KY for a while now and am *loving* it, but I don't know if I could continue to practice something inseparable (since he allegedly revealed it to the public and quite possibly invented it as a synthesis from other yogas -- and nobody else is teaching it in any other form that I'm aware of) from someone who -may- have been an abusive cult leader. Any evidence to the contrary or insights would be appreciative, since I'm somewhat heart-broken over this. And yes I realize that you could type anything in with the word " cult " probably and find *something*, but this seems to be considered " well known " information online and is coming from some reliable sources in some instances. Would definitely be interested in hearing from Guru Rattana (in addition to anyone else) as I hear she had some interaction with Yogi Bhajan and I believe thinks highly of him. Who better to inform me? :-) Thanks all, and once again I really don't mean any offense and I hope nobody misunderstands my intentions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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