Re:White Tantric Yoga; What is it? Why should I participate? Is it real

[Guest guest]

Sat Nam, Sat Ganesha, The great benefits of White Tantric Yoga that you've been told are real. I'll tell you some of my personal experiences. I'm a psychologist and, a sa therapist and a client, working on my own issues, I've tried and benefitted from a number of wonderful therapeutic methods. I was also very involved with the Association for Humanistic Psychology, a melting pot for innovative therapeutic, creative, and meditative methods that grow humans. I've practiced Zen and Tibetan meditation. I've analyzed my transactions, had conversations to parts of me in empty chairs, beaten pillows, shaken with fear, and wept, then put it all back together again. I honor all the methods I've used and have gained from all of them. They've made a difference. But the issues still remained. I would work on them again at a different level of insight, but they were the same issues although

less intense. But with White Tantric Yoga, I've experienced an actual clearing of stuff. For many years the clearing was what I noticed most after a Tantric course. Then my experience changed, and it was more that I would be fork lifted to a different level of spiritual awareness and maturity. It isn't that I don't have any more issues. But at least there are many that no longer distract me. By the way, some courses are pure joy, and others are torture. Most are a mixture. I'm of the opinion that the only good thing about suffering is learning to transcend or circumvent it. I sure don't want my experience of a kriya to be about how hard it is. I've found that if a Tantric or Kundalini Yoga position is difficult, it gets easier if I tell myself that it's easy or that angels are helping, for example, holding my arms up, and that it's effortless. Smiling and breathing deeply helps and

remembering what a great privilege it is to be doing White Tantric and what great benefits I'll experience. Here are some other tips, some things I've found through the years, that may make it easier. My hips often complain and hurt. I've found that sitting on a pillow helps a lot. Sometimes I'll prop my knees up with sweaters, shawls, or even shoes to take pressure off knees and hips. I also use physics to help me. Here's what I mean. In some kriyas the position is raising arms up and touching your partner's palms. Holding the arms up is hard, but if you and your partner lean with equal forward (horizontal) pressure, there's an automatic vertical pressure that God (and physics) exerts, making the whole thing much, much easier. If you're holding hands with arms extended horizontally, it's much easier if you both lean back with equal force. It takes pressure off your back, and it can be almost like sitting in an easy

chair. Have a great Tantric, and please let us know how it is for you. Blessings abound, Sat Hari Kaur Ottawa

[Guest guest]

Is it real is an interesting question, Sat Ganesha. I will relate a

story to you from this last summer solstice.

 

I met a woman there who had suffered tremendous psychological and

physical abuse in the past. She had just done White Tantric yoga for

the first time that day. I was playing guitar and singing in one of

the gazebos outside the tantric shelter and she came over to listen,

but I could tell that she wanted to talk.

 

After the song, she began recounting some of the pain she had

suffered in her life to me. I won't recount any specifics out of

respect for her privacy. She told me that she did not believe in

White Tantric yoga. She did not believe that in the concept of Mahan

Tantric. She did not believe that Yogi Bhajan still is part of the

White Tantric experience in any way, through his subtle body or any

other means.

 

She did a full day, a difficult day, on tantric yoga, and had no

great emotional or spiritual experience. It was merely painful and

boring.

 

That night she began reading Sukhmani Sahib in the tantric shelter.

While reading, she instantly fell into an intense experience, where

her body felt every blow she had received in her life, as if she had

just been hit. She felt the pain in all parts of her body, as if she

was being beaten right then.

 

When this experience ended, she was not over the pain. It had not

all been processed and erased. But the healing process, the

recognition of her pain, was a possibility for her. She had faced

all her abuse in an incredibly concentratd amount of time and walked

through it. The process of recovery was not complete, but it had

started. It is difficult to believe that the experience of white

tantric yoga did not play a role in that process.

 

----

 

My own experience is somewhat similar, although thankfully I have not

suffered the pain that this woman has. In my younger days, I had

many powerful " spiritual " experiences during white tantric yoga.

Seeing through my third eye, seeing arc lines, experiencing

incredible emotion or strength.

 

I do not believe that Yogi Bhajan, in his subtle body, is the Mahan

Tantric. My belief is that when we die, we die. I do not find any

justification in Sikhism or my own experience and understanding for

an individual consciousness to directly affect reality after death.

 

Yet when I did White Tantric yoga this year, I felt more settled in

my body, more alive in my body, than I have in years. I felt focused

and intense in my mind. And I came to the same conclusion that my

friend I speak about above came to:

 

Belief is not important. The truth of the mythology around White

Tantric yoga is not important. Just as in Kundalini Yoga, the proof

is in the pudding. The practice of White Tantric is the only

appropriate answer to whether it is " real " . I did White Tantric.

The experience was powerful and positive. I really don't need

anything else.

 

---

 

One final thought. Some people do White Tantric and do not have a

powerful experience. They do not experience a release of pain from

the past. They do not awaken consciously to any new truth in

themselves.

 

People who have this experience are sometimes made to feel that they

are somehow spiritually deficient, or that it is their fault in some

way for not being open to the experience, or they are just hiding

from the reality of what happened. That kind of thinking is

garbage. The whole point is to experience whatever is there to

experience for you, in that place, at that time. If you feel

nothing, or bored, fine. It does not invalidate the experience of

others who have a powerful experience, and it does not invalidate you

in any way to not have a powerful experience.

 

Good luck.

[Guest guest]

Sat Nam, thanks to all those who responsed to my questions about white tantric

yoga...they have definited added to my inspiration about participation, we

having an

organization meeting tonight and my intention is to communicate to others who

are

maybe/maybe I won't participate...

 

Any new white tantric yoga participates who would like to post their

experience...perhaps

anyone who has not even gone to one white tantric yoga meditation like to

post???

 

 

Kundalini-Yoga , " dharam_khalsa " <dharam_khalsa

wrote:

>

> Is it real is an interesting question, Sat Ganesha. I will relate a

> story to you from this last summer solstice.

>

> I met a woman there who had suffered tremendous psychological and

> physical abuse in the past. She had just done White Tantric yoga for

> the first time that day. I was playing guitar and singing in one of

> the gazebos outside the tantric shelter and she came over to listen,

> but I could tell that she wanted to talk.

>

> After the song, she began recounting some of the pain she had

> suffered in her life to me. I won't recount any specifics out of

> respect for her privacy. She told me that she did not believe in

> White Tantric yoga. She did not believe that in the concept of Mahan

> Tantric. She did not believe that Yogi Bhajan still is part of the

> White Tantric experience in any way, through his subtle body or any

> other means.

>

> She did a full day, a difficult day, on tantric yoga, and had no

> great emotional or spiritual experience. It was merely painful and

> boring.

>

> That night she began reading Sukhmani Sahib in the tantric shelter.

> While reading, she instantly fell into an intense experience, where

> her body felt every blow she had received in her life, as if she had

> just been hit. She felt the pain in all parts of her body, as if she

> was being beaten right then.

>

> When this experience ended, she was not over the pain. It had not

> all been processed and erased. But the healing process, the

> recognition of her pain, was a possibility for her. She had faced

> all her abuse in an incredibly concentratd amount of time and walked

> through it. The process of recovery was not complete, but it had

> started. It is difficult to believe that the experience of white

> tantric yoga did not play a role in that process.

>

> ----

>

> My own experience is somewhat similar, although thankfully I have not

> suffered the pain that this woman has. In my younger days, I had

> many powerful " spiritual " experiences during white tantric yoga.

> Seeing through my third eye, seeing arc lines, experiencing

> incredible emotion or strength.

>

> I do not believe that Yogi Bhajan, in his subtle body, is the Mahan

> Tantric. My belief is that when we die, we die. I do not find any

> justification in Sikhism or my own experience and understanding for

> an individual consciousness to directly affect reality after death.

>

> Yet when I did White Tantric yoga this year, I felt more settled in

> my body, more alive in my body, than I have in years. I felt focused

> and intense in my mind. And I came to the same conclusion that my

> friend I speak about above came to:

>

> Belief is not important. The truth of the mythology around White

> Tantric yoga is not important. Just as in Kundalini Yoga, the proof

> is in the pudding. The practice of White Tantric is the only

> appropriate answer to whether it is " real " . I did White Tantric.

> The experience was powerful and positive. I really don't need

> anything else.

>

> ---

>

> One final thought. Some people do White Tantric and do not have a

> powerful experience. They do not experience a release of pain from

> the past. They do not awaken consciously to any new truth in

> themselves.

>

> People who have this experience are sometimes made to feel that they

> are somehow spiritually deficient, or that it is their fault in some

> way for not being open to the experience, or they are just hiding

> from the reality of what happened. That kind of thinking is

> garbage. The whole point is to experience whatever is there to

> experience for you, in that place, at that time. If you feel

> nothing, or bored, fine. It does not invalidate the experience of

> others who have a powerful experience, and it does not invalidate you

> in any way to not have a powerful experience.

>

> Good luck.

>

[Guest guest]

It's interesting that you don't "believe" that Yogi Bhajan is the Mahan Tantric. Guru Charan Singh tells a story about their doing White Tantric back in the beginning Boston days without Yogi Bhajan. The whole group slept for 3 days. They all woke up 3 days later. So please don't try to do White Tantric on your own. You need the Mahan Tantric to process and hold the space for the group energy.

My late husband and I were once doing White Tantric at Summer Solstice. The directions were "Don't open your eyes." My husband never followed rules. He opened his eyes. Later he told me what he saw--lightning like energy traveling over the heads of the particpants in the rows. This energy travels in Z shapes.

Should you particpate? of course. Sat Nam. May you be blessed and healed. Kartar Kaur, Portland, ME