What do you want of this group Steven? Is this what you want?

April 22, 2007

Dear Steven:

I also am not a follower of the Sikh religion. I am most interested in your

thoughts. Post what you will. I went back and read what I think is the

post you refer to. Ranbirs's beliefs were most interesting.

I am on a spritual journey. I am on a journey to improve the health of my

body and mind as well. After seeing Dr. Wayne W. Dwyer on public

broadcasting television speaking on the Power of Intention, I was lead to

Hay House Radio and discovered Dr. Dharma Singh Khalsa and I was lead to

this . There came up a posting about a movie available for

viewing on the internet called The Secret. I went and viewed this movie.

Discussion on this movie ensued. This movie was in reference to The Law of

Attraction. Our public library has some of Ester and Jerry Hicks books. I

have now read The Law of Attraction-The Basics of the Teaching of Abraham

and am now reading The Amazing Power of Deliverate Intent - Living the Art

of Allowing. Somewhere along the way, I have read Neale Donald Walsch's book

What God Wants. I have read Byron Katie's book Loving What Is. I read the

PH Miracle by Robert Young. For a while I was playing a game. The " What

If. . . " game is where I ask myself " What if this was true and I acted on

it as my belief, what could be the result(s), What if this was not true and

I acted on it as my belief, what could be the result(s)? What if this was

true and I did not act on it, what cpuld be the result(s)? " What if I was

an elephant? That was a fun one. I never got past the first question! It

ended up if I was an elephant I would have to live in a certain climate and

eat certain food, in order to do that, I would have to leave where I was,

that meant leaving my friends and family, so I quickly concluded I was not

going to believe I was an elephant.

I do not know much about much. I am not worldly, I am not travelled, I am

not well read. I read with interest the viewpoints of others and learn what

they think. But, their thoughts are their own, just as mine are mine. If I

read a posting and I have thoughts and beliefs it brings up, I may reply.

It is your difference from me that is so interesting. It is your difference

from me that in learning of it, and observing how I respond helps me to

learn more about the evolving Brenda, the Brenda who has lain dormant

confined by beliefs of the majority of those around her and of the little

tiny world that she was confining herself to as those around her were

confining themselves and their worlds. My mind is now opening to new

possibilities.

My difficulties with Kundalini Yoga is I do not know what is the Yoga and

what is the Sikh. I do not have access to any Kundalini classes. I do not

know what information and instructions are the Yoga, what is the man, and

what is the Sikh.

Nabil Rizqallah of Beirut Lebanon posted a message about Mantras but there

was something I felt was lacking or left out a question left unanswered.

These are my thoughts:

I wonder where-in lies the real power of yoga.

If one sets out to do a meditation that in their mind they have set the

desire to change a certain aspect of their existance, is it the meditation

that creates the change or the desire that is set out in the mind that

creates the change?

And what of belief? If one does not have a belief in the power, whether it

be from the yoga itself or from the desire set in the mind, how could any

change be created?

Beliefs come from thoughts. In order to exact change one must create

thoughts on which to base their beliefs and the beliefs must speak to their

soul. For without our own soul's guidance on what IT wants to believe, are

we not simply living the thoughts of others? and who indeed wants to live a

life that is not their own?

Am I not in fact a creation not only of myself but of those around me. For

is it not the thoughts and beliefs of others that guides me to create my own

thoughts and beliefs. Indeed - am I in fact creating anything? or is it

already there and life is just about discovering what is there all along.

So I ask Steven what is it you want? I want to learn about you, for in

learning about you, I am lead to discover my thoughts and through my

thoughts I am lead back to me. So as you teach me about you, you will be

teaching me about me.

Thank you for your posting, this has been most theraputic and clarifying.

Sat Nam, Brenda?

aka bctoadlover (because I live in BC and I love toads)

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April 23, 2007

Dear Brenda:

>

> I wonder where-in lies the real power of yoga.

>

> If one sets out to do a meditation that in their mind they have set the

> desire to change a certain aspect of their existance, is it the

meditation

> that creates the change or the desire that is set out in the mind that

> creates the change?

Truly meditating is to let go of desires even while meditating for a

specific purpose. the power of yoga is in letting the yoga, not the

desire, chisel out of you what you no longer need. I tis not the

desire that creates who you are. The desire is actually in the way.

If you truly want to heal. Stop wanting anything. Just surrender and

let the yoga carry you.

>

> And what of belief? If one does not have a belief in the power,

whether it

> be from the yoga itself or from the desire set in the mind, how

could any

> change be created?

it is not about beliefs. There is one aspect about change that is

often forgotten: It is consciousness.

If you follow the guidelines of the law of attraction, you will engage

your magnetic field. But ultimately it is consciousness that seems to

be ruling everything. So the first time you wish for something and

something comes as a result to fulfill that wish, your consciousness

is aroused and awakens. Now life can work with you. The next time you

wish for something it does not quite get fulfilled the same way. Your

consciousness will guide you as to what needs to happen next. It is

not desire that rules your magnetic field. It is consciousness. And

there is only one consciousness, that's why anyone can enter the game

at any time and it always always works out for everyone.

So what of beliefs? Consciousness will eliminate them one by one. I

was in a relationship with a beautiful women of incredible light. Our

relationship was light and light hearted and fun until she shared of

her beliefs of the Jehovah's witness faith. At first I tried to

understand where her beliefs came from. I took lessons from leaders in

her community. At some point I felt their beliefs were causing much

pain in the world in the name of true interpretation of the bible. So

I tried to share with her how painful the beliefs of her community

were. She could never quite enter her heart when she discussed her

religious beliefs. She was only in her mind fearing that her heart

could be controlled by the devil.

I did some deep soul searching and realized it wasn't for me to

convince her of anything. She had to find her own way. I had to

respect her free will. I also realized that the strength of her

beliefs were clashing with mine. And it was shameful for the love we

had was stained by the beliefs, only by the beliefs. So I refused to

engage in a battle of beliefs. I love her deeply. And I chose to let

her beliefs in and challenge mine. I realized that God is not made up

of beliefs. So no belief can help me find God. So the gift I received

in that incredible relationship is that my own belief in my beliefs

was shattered.

Now I live accepting not to know why things happen the way they do. I

live to experience what life offers me and to allow what life offers

me to transform me. Osho says that one cannot change one's life. Only

life can do that.

And yoga in all this? Kundalini Yoga is all about consciousness.

>

> Beliefs come from thoughts. In order to exact change one must create

> thoughts on which to base their beliefs and the beliefs must speak

to their

> soul. For without our own soul's guidance on what IT wants to

believe, are

> we not simply living the thoughts of others? and who indeed wants to

live a

> life that is not their own?

>

> Am I not in fact a creation not only of myself but of those around

me. For

> is it not the thoughts and beliefs of others that guides me to

create my own

> thoughts and beliefs. Indeed - am I in fact creating anything? or

is it

> already there and life is just about discovering what is there all

along.

Here you are touching something important. Others may shape our

beliefs but only if we accept it. Others are a reflection of what is

taking place inside. If we have an internal conflict that we don't

acknowledge, that conflict may very well happen before your eyes.

Others are a reflection of what is taking place inside until our

consciousness is awake, then we start seeing that what is happening

outside of us does not define us, that we can choose who we are

independently of what the rest of the world does around us or to us.

I'll give you an example. If you are stopped by the police when

driving, you may feel fear. If you realize you have done nothing

wrong, it does not matter how the police treats you! Fear leaves you

when you are sure of who you are. That's what creation is all about

ultimately: you create YOU.

Blessings,

Awtar Singh

April 23, 2007

Sat Nam,

It about raising consciousness and having the experience. With experience comes wisdom, grace, caliber...there is no discussion, it is beyond discussion, beliefs, desire, or intention. The Aquarian Age is bringing us (or has brought us) here. Wahe Guru!

Blessings,

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